Pet classes

Friend send me some text, saying SE wanted feedback on how we'd prefer pet classes.
He couldn't say where it came from, or if it was true buuut gonna give my feedback anyway >_>

The only thing I can really say about pet classes is, please oh please don't do it like FFXI. I really disliked the fact that you could not have a pet for long.

As an summoner, I never felt like I was summoning monsters to fight for me, more like a mage with extra flashy spells, since it was almost never mp effective to keep the monster out. Just summon, fire of special, and banish again. >_>

As for beast master, I really enjoyed the way SWG did it, you had to go out and find a nest with monsters, then tame a baby, which would then grow up over time. It was a special like personal quest to go out and find the nest, with exactly the pet type you wanted ^_^

I have always disliked Beastmaster type classes that worked, as they do in a lot of mmo's. Where you tame a beast, that then falls madly in love with you, doing anything you say for x minutes. Before suddenly remembering it hates you and wants to bite your face off.

I Personally want pet classes to be pet classes, where your pet is the main force in case of a summoner type class, and something like 50/50 incase of a beastmaster type class.
I want pets to be pets. Not just something you have for a short time, till you zone or a timer runs out. And summoner to use there pets for combat, not just a flashy spell effect because it drains too much mp to keep it out >_>

well that's it then, hope no one flames too hard. See you in Eorzea

They said right now they wont be any pet job due to them having to fix the game battle and all the stuff. They did say they may be jobs that would have Pets so Lancer ---> Dragon knight / Dragoon"Pet"

I agree for the most part but for the summoners, and I say this as a summoner at heart myself, I do not think we should have our Avatars out indefinitely. Mainly because it would remove the awsomeness of them and they would require to be smaller so not to be always in the way. If you played FF titles before, summoners usually just summon the avatar, they do their attack and they go away until you summon again.

In FFXIV, it should be the same, like FFXI did a bit. BUT I think summoners could summon elemental spirits the way you mentionned, without syphoning mp so you could keep it all the time. So you'd have a pet elemental with summonable avatars for bigger, more special and more awsome attacks.

If not, then you'll see avatars out everywhere all the time (having carby out forever in FFXI isn't the same since he was small), they would probably need to be less detailed and smaller so you don't make everyone lag.

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Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

I agree for the most part but for the summoners, and I say this as a summoner at heart myself, I do not think we should have our Avatars out indefinitely. Mainly because it would remove the awsomeness of them and they would require to be smaller so not to be always in the way. If you played FF titles before, summoners usually just summon the avatar, they do their attack and they go away until you summon again.

In FFXIV, it should be the same, like FFXI did a bit. BUT I think summoners could summon elemental spirits the way you mentionned, without syphoning mp so you could keep it all the time. So you'd have a pet elemental with summonable avatars for bigger, more special and more awsome attacks.

If not, then you'll see avatars out everywhere all the time (having carby out forever in FFXI isn't the same since he was small), they would probably need to be less detailed and smaller so you don't make everyone lag.

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I think it should be like in FFXI that was the point :) to have them out and fight with you too your run out of MP. having them for just one attack is good but not that great.

I miss my epic FFXI BST.

Every time I look at a certain forum-dweller's sig, I am reminded again of my time there lol
I think the person is LuxLor or something.

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In FFXIV, it should be the same, like FFXI did a bit. BUT I think summoners could summon elemental spirits the way you mentionned, without syphoning mp so you could keep it all the time.

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Or there...could be no mp drain at all, since this is not XI >_>

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Originally Posted by PrettyPrincess

Or there...could be no mp drain at all, since this is not XI >_>

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Did I said there should be MP drain?

I said the Avatars like Ifrit, shiva, garuda, etc, should just come out when summoned, to their attack and go away until you summon again for another attack, something of the like and that for a pet we could have the elementals that do not drain (I used syphon) mp so we could keep them out all the time.

Please read properly ^^

I say that because if they allow summoner to have avatars out indifnitely, obviously they will have to be weaker, they will have to be smaller so that it doesn't hide everything for yourself and the others and doesn't make everyone lag when there are 4-5 summoners around. So basically they won't be awesome summons like they are in FF titles, they will be sub-par pets.

Ya but other wont like this idea what the point of a pet job if you can only use it 1 time and they go away? it be the same as me doing a awesome WS it just not that fun,.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Ya but other wont like this idea what the point of a pet job if you can only use it 1 time and they go away? it be the same as me doing a awesome WS it just not that fun,.

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That's why the elementals can be summoned indefinitely and fight alongside. I think they should keep the "awsome" status for the avatars and not reduce them to "pets".

Edit: anyways, that was a mere suggestion and idea, SE will do what they want with the summoner job and other pet jobs. This is just my opinion on the subject and I think that seeing huge avatars everywhere (the targeting system is already flawed as it is) will just clutter the screen and be in the way of other players, forcing SE to make them smaller and less epic, which will just be another fail.

Elementals like the one we have no in ffxiv? to use them as pets and avatars as 1 time deal? the issue here is everyone would dislike this idea.

Tanaka said you be allow to use avatars but you most do loads of quest to be allow to use them in battle. but who knows with yoshi-p does

anyways i'm not much of a summer person more of a beastman type but i think they should stay as long as you have mp allowing them 1time deal is lame. Maybe there 2hour could be a awesome avatars like the one in ffxi. But i'm sure 2hour would be 1hour.-30min in this game

I want charm so I can have a Diremite pet.
Using Deadly Thrust would make me giggle.


I'd pay the $12.95 a month if SE allowed BR's with your pet.
(BR1) Heavy Swing - Attack => Regiment of Ruin
(BR2) Maim - Deadly Thrust => Expose & Defense Down


We can dream....

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

Elementals like the one we have no in ffxiv? to use them as pets and avatars as 1 time deal? the issue here is everyone would dislike this idea.

Tanaka said you be allow to use avatars but you most do loads of quest to be allow to use them in battle. but who knows with yoshi-p does

anyways i'm not much of a summer person more of a beastman type but i think they should stay as long as you have mp allowing them 1time deal is lame. Maybe there 2hour could be a awesome avatars like the one in ffxi. But i'm sure 2hour would be 1hour.-30min in this game

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Yes but maybe you don't see the issue. I would love to be able to summon Garuda and have her stay with me for how ever long I wish but can you imagine every summoner having their big avatars out? the server would not be able to take it, party play would be terrible because the avatar would take so much space melees would not see anything and so on. To solve that, they would need to make small, boring versions of the avatars which will be a big fail and bigger let down than being able to summon cool looking big avatars for a short period of time so it doesn't bother people.

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Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

Yes but maybe you don't see the issue. I would love to be able to summon Garuda and have her stay with me for how ever long I wish but can you imagine every summoner having their big avatars out? the server would not be able to take it, party play would be terrible because the avatar would take so much space melees would not see anything and so on. To solve that, they would need to make small, boring versions of the avatars which will be a big fail and bigger let down than being able to summon cool looking big avatars for a short period of time so it doesn't bother people.

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In ffxi it work out fine people had there avatars out 10+ without issue or even more so i don't see your issue here. Avatars wont be as big as the one you fight just like FFXI so i don't know what you talking about issue here.

Making them small is not boring it seem you the only one who really care about this issue lol the servers can take it once they fix the core system and get and fix the server issue they said they be working on it.

but ya sorry i would the avatars to stay out side even if there 20-30% smaller then the real version. Reason ffxi was small is because you can only call a small % of there real power lol so it made sense.




and seeing how max party is 8 even a full party of SMN wont lag you with avatars out so your argument is invalid. even if it's 18 party i don't think you have that many smn anyways so once again argument is invalid.

FFXIV =/= FFXI

They have an extremely bad coded engine on top of old/bad servers. We lag right now even with the best CPU and internet connection when there are hardly a handfull of people around. Most PC burns up and overheat because it's badly optimized. If the avatars are as well detailed and textured as the rest of the world, I can only imagine the stress that will put on our PCs.

I might be wrong though, as I am no computer genius. Good for us if they can do it and still have the avatars look epic and not like little pets. Maybe you think that people would not mind that if their avatars are the size of a Huyr, but I am sure many people would not like that even though you are trying to call me down and say that I am the only one having an issue with that.

Yes FFXI did it good so maybe they can make it happen but like I said, they have really poor optimization in this game and this might end up being harder to implement than you think.

Edit: plus you don't have to try and bring my arguments down, like I said I may be wrong about the points that I am trying to bring and like I said, I would like to have summons out all the time if I could, I'm just trying to be realistic.

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Originally Posted by Perrin_Aybarra

FFXIV =/= FFXI

They have an extremely bad coded engine on top of old/bad servers. We lag right now even with the best CPU and internet connection when there are hardly a handfull of people around. Most PC burns up and overheat because it's badly optimized. If the avatars are as well detailed and textured as the rest of the world, I can only imagine the stress that will put on our PCs.

I might be wrong though, as I am no computer genius. Good for us if they can do it and still have the avatars look epic and not like little pets. Maybe you think that people would not mind that if their avatars are the size of a Huyr, but I am sure many people would not like that even though you are trying to call me down and say that I am the only one having an issue with that.

Yes FFXI did it good so maybe they can make it happen but like I said, they have really poor optimization in this game and this might end up being harder to implement than you think.

Edit: plus you don't have to try and bring my arguments down, like I said I may be wrong about the points that I am trying to bring and like I said, I would like to have summons out all the time if I could, I'm just trying to be realistic.

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They have said they wont be any pet jobs to the battle system,Core system and everything is fix so we wont see them for a long time. By then the game would be good enough and server lag and computer lag would be better. They don't have to re-size them that small. In ffxi there was not that smaller then the version we fight to get them. So i don't see any issue with this.

The problem is what the point of a Pet class if you only use them for 1sec? It's the same thing as me doing a awesome WS or a mage casting a awesome spell it just be a spell not a real pet. So the smart idea to do is to re-size them make them look awesome which be no issue for FFXIV later on.

Not trying to put your argument down if SMN avatars are a 1time use only that is not a pet job that just a awesome looking spell you just cast that how i see it even if you let them have small pets what the point if the bad-ass avatars our 1time use only.

I think 1 time use should be for very awesome Avatars like how they did in FFXI with 2 type of avatars only can be used 1 time every time you use 2 hour.

i can see both sides of the argument how about you have the ability later on to get 2 versions of each summon like for ex: you get shiva summon.. for the first few lvls of shiva you can only call for one time massive damage attack with a big huge EPIC avatar then later on in higher lvls maybe a quest pops up to where you can strengthen your power and allow a smaller version of shiva to fight along side you and stay with you till you tel/zone or even put your weapon away.. just an idea...