WHY DO YOU REFUSE TO LET US GET FULL HUNT CREDIT SOLO

Why?

Having to party for the massive zergfest is the most redundant design decision ever.

It's pretty simple math. You have a bunch of 8 person parties vs a single person. Even some of the 8 person parties don't get full credit some of the time. A single player can't possibly hope to compete now that hunts are busy again.

Why dont we just get credit for just tagging it ?

I feel sorry for all the solo job healers that out put a Stone II before DPS zergs the hunt and boom gone.

I don't think it should be weighted the same as a fate tbh, who cares who's not ''contributing'' to a faster death, I doubt anyone is going to tag it and leave it and if so , so be it it'll be alive for 30secs top.....A ranks that is.....S ranks could be weighted just on a smaller scale , some people don't like the hassle of \sh ''HEY INVITE ME'' ''LFP'' i85 WHM LFP'' blah blah blah

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Originally Posted by ZhycranaDranix

Why dont we just get credit for just tagging it ?

I feel sorry for all the solo job healers that out put a Stone II before DPS zergs the hunt and boom gone.

I don't think it should be weighted the same as a fate tbh, who cares who's not ''contributing'' to a faster death, I doubt anyone is going to tag it and leave it and if so , so be it it'll be alive for 30secs top.....A ranks that is.....S ranks could be weighted just on a smaller scale , some people don't like the hassle of \sh ''HEY INVITE ME'' ''LFP'' i85 WHM LFP'' blah blah blah

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Healers have it easier than DPS. Tag the mob, spam heals.

It's based on generated eminity, or rather "hate".
If you're a healer in a party, all you have to do is hit Aero -> Divine Seal-> Medica II / Cure 3 spam.
It's harder for DPS. Which is why you should consider swapping to a Tank or Healer job for hunts.

I get full credit solo regularly on A-ranks.

Ignore the fact I'm a ~120 WAR with i110-130 STR accessories on spamming the best aggro-generating moves in Defiance the entire time...

Credit is enmity based, so DPS tanking with tank stance on is the best way to get credit solo

Why do YOU refuse to get a party? Why should they rewrite the code when you can fix this problem by just simply joining a party?

I thought early pulls were in issue on ultros.

Then I transfered to Greg.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Why do YOU refuse to get a party? Why should they rewrite the code when you can fix this problem by just simply joining a party?

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So much this. Don't invent problems. It's an MMO - party up.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Why do YOU refuse to get a party? Why should they rewrite the code when you can fix this problem by just simply joining a party?

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S-Rank, I never refuse. Party wanted me but they were full.
No other invites from any others
Fight over, Square Enix threw me a few crumbs.
Party leader apologized for not being able to invite me.
What else can be said? I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Why do YOU refuse to get a party? Why should they rewrite the code when you can fix this problem by just simply joining a party?

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Why should I have to party for something that will take 30s ~ 1m and then we'll disband and never see each other again?

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

Why should I have to party for something that will take 30s ~ 1m and then we'll disband and never see each other again?

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In the same regard why does it matter so much if the parties are so trivial?

I would prefer that a bunch of NM's appeared for a certain time, so when a party gets a pull its a fight just for themselves, other parties can grab their own NM and the fight would be a lot more difficult, people wont zerg this things and everyone will get their reward. Would make things simple.

I kinda like that it can't be soloed. You know, when you find position of NM in linkshell and dive to location to shout for party invite and annoy half of the server with it, there are also actually a few full parties of people who ran around so you could know that there is the NM. Why should you be able to just come, use one skill and run away with the same reward as others who spent hours scouting?

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

In the same regard why does it matter so much if the parties are so trivial?

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If you are in queue and want to hit up some hunts while waiting? Can't party without canceling queue.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

If you are in queue and want to hit up some hunts while waiting? Can't party without canceling queue.

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The first good reason I've seen besides just crying about it. I'd support it for this reason.

OP is right, the system is absolutely atrocious, making it a 1hit=full credit would make no difference at all, it would be even less annoying for some players.

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Originally Posted by Renik

OP is right, the system is absolutely atrocious, making it a 1hit=full credit would make no difference at all, it would be even less annoying for some players.

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Actually it would. You wouldn't have as many people getting there too late and getting next to no credit. That would make a pretty big difference in the amount of people getting full rewards. It's not a negative difference necessarily, but overall a lot more points will get handed out per hunt and that means its easier for people to gear up. It does have an effect.

What I don't like is when people shout in town.

Then you warp to the area thinking they will wait and like 10 others teleported from same town for it.
Then say dead as you get there, though coax people from town to come where it is and waste everyone's damn time.

Though I don't listen to shouts in town anymore because of that very same reason.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Why? SOLO?

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MMOs are meant for people to play together? There are plenty of SOLO content as it is anyways, but hunting is not one of them.

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Originally Posted by CGMidlander

If you are in queue and want to hit up some hunts while waiting? Can't party without canceling queue.

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What is this everything for myself all the time attitude. Get your group together before hand, doesn't matter what you want queue for. But for example, waiting for people to get ready for T10, you are in North Thanalan, and you get wind of a A or S rank. Teleport and get everyone to go with you and everyone benefits. Similarily if you are on the PF for a T7 clear/learning/farm or something, go with 5 of 8 and invite the 3 that is shouting for invites, or don't, 5 is usually enough for full credit anyways. After the kill remove the 3 and go back on the PF waiting for party to T7 to fill up. There is plenty you can do while waiting, the key is getting people to play together.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Why do YOU refuse to get a party? Why should they rewrite the code when you can fix this problem by just simply joining a party?

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"Party composition has changed. Your registration has been Withdrawn from the Duty Finder."

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Originally Posted by PArcher

I get full credit solo regularly on A-ranks.

Ignore the fact I'm a ~120 WAR with i110-130 STR accessories on spamming the best aggro-generating moves in Defiance the entire time...

Credit is enmity based, so DPS tanking with tank stance on is the best way to get credit solo

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You're on a smaller server - you wouldn't be able to fill credit each time during prime time on a server like Gilgamesh.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Actually it would. You wouldn't have as many people getting there too late and getting next to no credit. That would make a pretty big difference in the amount of people getting full rewards. It's not a negative difference necessarily, but overall a lot more points will get handed out per hunt and that means its easier for people to gear up. It does have an effect.

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Well i know, but hunts are already a faceroll, just give the players the gear, as long as they show up and hit the mob, it will solve some problems, like harassment from people getting partial or no credit at all, it's not that they can use this gear to beat something hard or Break the overall balance, i don't even care about ilvls anymore.

Oh sweet idea! Yeah! I can now show up to an S rank hunt with it at 2% HP and hit it with one arrow and get full credit. Perfect. Go for it!

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

"Party composition has changed. Your registration has been Withdrawn from the Duty Finder."

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Already acknowledged this one. Did you stop reading at that post or something?

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Originally Posted by Renik

Well i know, but hunts are already a faceroll, just give the players the gear, as long as they show up and hit the mob, it will solve some problems, like harassment from people getting partial or no credit at all

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There is certainly truth here. I don't think the change would be bad just pointing out that it does change things and not necessarily in a minor way when we are talking about upgrades for gear. You don't think it makes much of a difference but it drastically changes the success rate of random parties when the overall ilvl of your server is higher. Healing is easier, surviving big hits for dps and tanks is easier, and beating dps checks becomes more trivial. This is for both skilled and unskilled groups.

I actually liked the idea they did in FFXI.

Pop item trade to ???

What would be cool is if they had the same thing here, except anyone can help you only difference is no fast pull and the person who pops the monster is the person with the item and everyone who participated has a cool down for that monster.

Though problem is that if they sold items on market board they would be too much unless they added it to the grand company points the system they have now is good but I liked the ??? thing just my opinion

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

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I know, the effect is there, it's not really bad, and i would be absolutely against it if hunts were something hard or required a min of strategy, but the reasons to not get credit are mostly coincidences, or in this case not having a party, be it because your shouts for it are being ignored, you don't have a hunt ls, or you're waiting for the DF to pop, the causes of you not getting credit are not related to difficulty, time sinks or lockouts, so it doesn't really matter nor is unfair for other players.

Although i think placing upgrade items in hunts is unfair for people getting these by others means, but once placed there, who cares.

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Originally Posted by Buff_Archer

"Party composition has changed. Your registration has been Withdrawn from the Duty Finder."

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Alternatively, they could just change this rule. Make it so DF only requires the same party when we Commence, just as we have to be on the same class/job when we Commence, but don't have to remain that way throughout the whole time we're waiting on the queue. It would take care of this issue with hunts during the queue time, and take care of the chocobo summoning issue at the same time.

I get full credit all the time as solo. Be it, A or S rank. It is easy on SMN anyway.

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

I actually liked the idea they did in FFXI.

Pop item trade to ???

What would be cool is if they had the same thing here, except anyone can help you only difference is no fast pull and the person who pops the monster is the person with the item and everyone who participated has a cool down for that monster.

Though problem is that if they sold items on market board they would be too much unless they added it to the grand company points the system they have now is good but I liked the ??? thing just my opinion

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Also this. Why is this not in the game yet still?

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

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Pop item trade to ???

... anyone can help you only difference is no fast pull and the person who pops the monster is the person with the item ...

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Isn't that like the peiste treasure maps. Replace trade with Dig. And the monster pop and the group kills it together.

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If people want to hunt they should hunt. If they want to queue on the DF they should do that. Why should they be allowed to double dip and do both at the same time and have no trade-offs or decisions to make? If you really want to be efficient with your time you need people, friends, FC, static and queue together and hunt at the same time. If you are not going to put in effort to do that and just solo stuff, it make no sense to turn group content into solo content. You don't need solo boneheads fast pulling everything just to get their quick 1 hit and run away and screw everyone else over.

Pull early if your alone. You'll get more seals....if you live.

There is some validity to the OP.

The basis for points should be raised. Tag the mob get 20 points, reach the hate/damage cap get 40. Now you have a system the benefits full parties (full points) and solo players.

They want you to play with people in a massively multiplayer game.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

They want you to play with people in a massively multiplayer game.

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So because you're not partied with someone you're not playing with them????????

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

That much should be OBVIOUS. For example at a restaurant, the table next to yours full of people is not eating together with you or your party at your table (exception being some those gigantic families that need multuple tables). In short, just being in game together is not the same as playing together. So what was the question again?

Group rewards for group content requires a party formed by the group.

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I guess I need to tell all my friends that I've done things with while not in a party that we haven't actually been playing together this whole time.

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Originally Posted by Cutie_McSnuggles

So because you're not partied with someone you're not playing with them????????

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That much should be OBVIOUS. For example at a restaurant, the table next to yours full of people is not eating together with you or your party at your table (exception being some those gigantic families that need multuple tables). In short, just being in game together is not the same as playing together. So what was the question again?

Group rewards for group content requires a party formed by the group.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

That much should be OBVIOUS. For example at a restaurant, the table next to yours full of people is not eating together with you or your party at your table (exception being some those gigantic families that need multuple tables). In short, just being in game together is not the same as playing together. So what was the question again?

Group rewards for group content requires a party formed by the group.

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I feel like you misunderstand what group content is. If you think hunts are group content, you are wrong.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

I feel like you misunderstand what group content is. If you think hunts are group content, you are wrong.

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Hunts are group content, it is actually group bigger than just 8 in a party. You have whole LS coordinating and calling out marks and which ones to go to first and people all scouting. And you can build alliances of parties for hunts to hunt more effectively and efficiently. It is totally group content. Early pullers are the trouble makers that deserve to be blacklisted and repeated trolling must be reported to the GMs. A well known FC actually disbanded and its trolls left the server because of the terrible reputation they earned.

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

Hunts are group content, it is actually group bigger than just 8 in a party. You have whole LS coordinating and calling out marks and which ones to go to first and people all scouting. And you can build alliances of parties for hunts to hunt more effectively and efficiently. It is totally group content.

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Which is kind of the point Cutie was making. You can be in linkshells and coordinating with people and scouting out hunts with them, etc. That's group play regardless of whom (if anyone) you're partied with. So no, you don't have to be partied with people to be playing with them.

INCREASE


THEIR


HEALTH


POOLS


FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

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Originally Posted by NyarukoW

What is this everything for myself all the time attitude. Get your group together before hand, doesn't matter what you want queue for.

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im on my phone so I dont know your level but I assume its below level 50 so I will teach you something.

SE dont like friends playing together so you can only queue up for Expert and Hard dungeon roulette in a group. The rest of the roulettes you must queue solo. So no you will have to leave the queue id you want to do hunts while waiting for it to pop and get full credit.

Peoples argument is that "this is an mmo ppl have to play together" but I see very few posts about hoe roulettes can mostly only be done solo.