Ok, seriously?

First the i80 cap Wolves' Den mode, now Frontlines (Slaughter).

Why the hell is there no in game indication that you should talk to the NPCs to unlock these? This makes no sense to me, I doubt it would skyrocket PvPs popularity if people didn't have to go to the patch notes to find these things, but it certainly wouldn't go amiss... I can see people coming back to the game after a break and just being totally unaware of new modes if they're not indicated anywhere in game...

Meanwhile, a new NPC selling no more than half a dozen new furniture items gets a bleedin' quest icon above her head... Is that how low down on the list of priorities PvP is? That furniture gets a "Hey what's this?" but i80 Wolves' Den, Frontlines (Slaughter) and the Frontlines Roulette don't?

Is it a massive issue? Not really. It's more like a paper cut, I'm almost wondering if the developers are committing Lingchi against the PvP community at this point...

That is a very valid point. I honestly think requiring a quest at all to unlock frontlines is a huge mistake. PVP needs more people, adding more hurdles to jump over isn't helping anyone.

The person I talked to for flagging Slaughter had the quest icon and he is right next to the GC counter. It's pretty hard to miss.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

The person I talked to for flagging Slaughter had the quest icon and he is right next to the GC counter. It's pretty hard to miss.

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I had no quest; literally just went to my GC place, went "Why is there no quest icon?" then went to check the NPC at the airship dock, still no quest icon, talked to him and got access.

Either there is a bug afoot or you were also doing the original quest for Frontlines (Secure).

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I had no quest; literally just went to my GC place, went "Why is there no quest icon?" then went to check the NPC at the airship dock, still no quest icon, talked to him and got access.

Either there is a bug afoot or you were also doing the original quest for Frontlines (Secure).

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Same here. The patch notes do tell you but it wasn't obvious.

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Upon unlocking Frontline, players can speak with one of the following NPCs to gain access to the Borderland Ruins (Slaughter).



Maelstrom

Limsa Lominsa – Upper Decks

Maelstrom Command (X:12 Y:12)
NPC: Foreign Levy Flyer

Maelstrom Command (X:12 Y:12)
NPC: Foreign Levy Flyer



Order of the Twin Adder

New Gridania

Airship Landing (X:11 Y:13)
NPC: Yellow Serpent Flyer

The Adders' Nest (X:9 Y:11)
NPC: Yellow Serpent Flyer



Immortal Flames

Immortal Flames

Airship Landing (X:10 Y:11)
NPC: Free Brigade Flyer
Hall of Flames (X:8 Y:9)
NPC: Free Brigade Flyer

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maybe its our GC, since some people dont see it, and other people see it

maelstorm doesnt have it...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I had no quest; literally just went to my GC place, went "Why is there no quest icon?" then went to check the NPC at the airship dock, still no quest icon, talked to him and got access.

Either there is a bug afoot or you were also doing the original quest for Frontlines (Secure).

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Could be. Mine was Twin Adder and he was nowhere near the airship dock.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

Could be. Mine was Twin Adder and he was nowhere near the airship dock.

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Weird, I'm Twin Adder too.

Patch notes mention a Yellow Serpent Flyer at Adders' Nest but I must have been there a dozen times since the update hit and not seen anything... Based on the ADS mount Achievement though, perhaps it is an issue with switching Grand Company? I was originally in Maelstrom. Either way it's sloppy...

I'm Flames and I did not see any quest marker over the Flames NPC when I flagged it.

This is indeed ridiculous, exactly the same as when i80 WD released(as it also didn't have any indication that you could unlock anything by the NPC), it's like they don't want us to play their pvp content...

I'm in flames and there was a quest-like marker above the npc's head at HQ when I unlocked Slaughter, the same marker above other new noteworthy npcs like the vender in Mor Dhona.

Imo it was an oversight.
Se ony made the quest visable to new pvp ppl as they are notified via it being at their gc while ppl who already unlocked FL are required to speak with the npc at the airship landing of their respected gc state.
I was like wtf too but i just assumed se forgot to add that in.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

I was like wtf too but i just assumed se forgot to add that in.

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Which is exactly my problem with it. Someone made sure eastern furniture got an indicator, but they forgot about PvP. Twice. That is how important PvP seems to be for the development team. I have no way of checking but did they ever even address the i80 Wolves' Den one? I'm doubting it...

Like I said, it isn't a massive issue in the slightest, but all these things keep adding up and it really isn't painting a favorable picture for PvP in this game. This isn't the straw that broke the camels back, but only because the camels back broke some time after I started burying it under 90ks every other match...

This was (or should have been) a known issue after the i80 Wolves' Den one. I really should just take a break from PvP in this game, just thought I'd point this issue out. Again. Perhaps they'll just ignore it. Again.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

Weird, I'm Twin Adder too.

Patch notes mention a Yellow Serpent Flyer at Adders' Nest but I must have been there a dozen times since the update hit and not seen anything... Based on the ADS mount Achievement though, perhaps it is an issue with switching Grand Company? I was originally in Maelstrom. Either way it's sloppy...

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I bumped into that npc they were near the allied seals vendor

It really is bad design.
There actually isnt even a point to having to talk to the NPC.

It really should be just in the duty finder automatically

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Originally Posted by dispear

PVP needs more people, adding more hurdles to jump over isn't helping anyone.

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considering the 10 straight losses i've had since 2.5 came out the last thing pvp needs is more baddies with their accuracy/skill speed tomestone gear.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

Imo it was an oversight.
Se ony made the quest visable to new pvp ppl as they are notified via it being at their gc while ppl who already unlocked FL are required to speak with the npc at the airship landing of their respected gc state.
I was like wtf too but i just assumed se forgot to add that in.

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Uh, I've been doing Frontlines since it was first released... and I only had to talk to the NPC at my Grand Company to unlock (Slaughter), didn't have to go anywhere near the airship landing. The NPC even had the special quest icon.

I didn't see an icon over the NPC at Maelstroms HQ. I almost missed the NPC even (I thought it was going to be an actual FLYER on the wall)

If I hadn't checked the patch notes, I wouldn't have even known to do this though.

Why do we need to talk to NPCs to unlock this kind of content? Why isn't it unlocked off the bat?

It's such a tedious requirement that no other MMO seems to inflict on their playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Recaldy

The person I talked to for flagging Slaughter had the quest icon and he is right next to the GC counter. It's pretty hard to miss.

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had no icon for me whatsoever i ran around for n hour looking for the quest to unlock slaughter got annoyed went n read patch notes again incase i missed somethin after a whiles im like meh ill just talk to every npc in the area n what do you know it worked lol

spent 20 minutes running around because i could not figure out where the flyer was. no indication no quest marker nothing.

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Originally Posted by jlewiss

spent 20 minutes running around because i could not figure out where the flyer was. no indication no quest marker nothing.

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^This.
Didn't have access to my computer at the time either so I couldn't reference the notes.
Makes me worry this is a factor in PVP queue times. People just don't know about it! O_O