Remove Coil lockout since there are no hunts lockout

Main idea is in the title.

I get that people say we need such hard lockout on final coil to avoid people being bored when they get all their gear in a couple of weeks. But that seems hardly relevant now that upgrade items are once again available to anyone that can faceroll their head on a KB for a couple of hours doing hunts, with no lockouts.

While there are arguments to both sides regarding the availability of 130 gear through such an easy content, i think that everyone that is half honest would admit that it is insane that doing coil is currently rewarding LESS than doing hunts, and the weekly lockout just add insult to the injury. Most groups have half the gear that drop useless because of the randomness, and then share 1 to 4 upgrade items for the whole group, per week. That's half an upgrade item per person per week assuming you clear t13, and if you don't and are still working on it, then it is a pityful average of 1 upgrade item per month, while people doing hunt will be able to get one every couple of day at the very least.


I really don't see the point in such harsh coil lockouts when everyone can gear up so much quicker by much easier means.

Couldn't agree more. I thought back in 2.3 SE just made a mistake. I figured they didn't really think it through all the way. Now with 2.5 it's clear they fully intend these items to be easily obtainable. There is no reason groups running coil should fight over 1-4 per week when people can get that many in a day no problem.

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

There is no reason groups running coil should fight over 1-4 per week when people can get that many in a day no problem.

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The reason is called Sell runs.

I really don't think people would really buy a run when the gear is going to be obsolete soon when the expansion hits and everyone will need lv60 gear.

ugh 75 A ranks for a twine?....let them have it lmao

Really wonder why ppl are so surprised about that. I have played many mmo and same pattern usually follow after each patch. Same happen in 2.3 so ppl should expect that happen. Coil lockout will be removed once new harder content is here so you probably need wait 3.0(not sure since that is first expansion in the game so I can not follow previous patters) before it will get removed. Every week coil get easier and easier with more poetic items. Now once all poetic items are farmed ppl can get a chance upgrade their gear and make the coil even more easier if they have still not killed the content. After all if you have killed the content, you do not need gear anymore since there is not any harder content anymore.

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Totally agreeing there, please remove fcob restrictions.

To be honest, I'm tired to see the common arguments like :
- Clear sellers matter, take care! omg! everyone gonna sell and buyz! ohohoh! Or not? -.-
- The "ohlolz coil is meant for rare™ stuffz lulz, it should stay as it is, trolololz"... No, it is just stuffs to make things easier in fcob and only in fcob.
- But!!! Wait a second, if you do that, no one is going to run world of darkness!!!... Right, like everyone are able to get a static and raid, don't make me laugh.

Coil is just like any other contents in the game, if they decide to add a way for people to actually farm without any kind of restrictions Ilv130 gears (Hunts), then there is no point to keep restriction on last top tier raid content.

On a last note, most people only want to see bad sides and "possible" "problems" where there is no problems and meanwhile... People like me are still waiting for less restrictions in order to finally build strong raiding FC with more than 8 players in it. 1 year waiting, it start to be long.

Coil gear may also be only level 130 but it generates a different level of respect. The coil lockout is good and its here to stay. Otherwise people would sell FcoB all day long and even coil gear would lose its value.

Everyone who cant see this has either no clue or want to buy final coil clears for the gear...

current Coil restriction get removed with next raid in 3.0, like it was always

Maybe they could remove the lockout one turn at a time. So say, start with T10 in Feb, then after 3-4 weeks remove the lock for T11, and so on until the expansion is realeased!

That would be a happy medium; raiders have something worth farming, yet there would still be locked turns to keep players coming back every week.

Doubt we'll see any changes to the current system though.

I've always figured that the Japanese developers simply don't "get it" when it comes to MMO progression due to adding lockout timers for raids that are a WEEK in length, and limit the # of poetics you can get each week to 450.

It is a task just to get 450 poetics each week let alone cap it consistently with the terrible Q's going on currently.


Doesn't matter if I get all my gear for my tank. I like to play DPS, and Heal sometimes, too. So it'll take me MONTHS of grinding just to cap one class, and will never get to cap another class :mad:.

The game as it is now is just very frustrating and not worth suggesting to new players when I know how terrible the new player experience is with dungeons that take HOURS to Queue for just to continue their questline (dungeons should NEVER be a requirement for the main story to progress).

Cheers :cool:

Hunts don't have a lockout of their own because your "lockout" comes from only being able to get 450 poetics per week.

Hunts don't give gear. They upgrade gear. I don't know why this is a difficult concept to people.

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Originally Posted by ThatSneakyRussian

I've always figured that the Japanese developers simply don't "get it" when it comes to MMO progression

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Considering they followed the model of the most successful MMO in the entirety of gaming, yeah no I'd say they "get it".

No. Hunts having no lockout IS NOT THE SAME AS RUNNING COIL ENDLESSLY. Even people who were beating coil since launch week only got 2 upgrade items PER WEEK. So in all the time since then their group have at most gotten 3 of these items per party member. These are upgrade items that aren't even that abundant in coil. The primary coil reward are direct 130 drops and eventually a direct 135 weapon. This type of thread pops up every time and they never do it because it's an awful suggestion to begin with that utterly fails to take into account any balance in the end game. Upgrade items are not the same as full level pieces of gear. The amount of effort is not the same. They will not open up the lock just so you can farm the final coil to your hearts content until the next end game content comes out. Find a way to deal with it.

In addition. The time it takes to farm up these items in hunts it doubled over the previous rate. If you think its that easy to upgrade now then you clearly haven't done the math for how much farming you're really going to have to do.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I really don't think people would really buy a run when the gear is going to be obsolete soon when the expansion hits and everyone will need lv60 gear.

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This line of thinking always makes me laugh, as the game stands, since 2.0 started, that's how it has always been, you're always just a few months away from obsoleteing your gear. so using that as your go to excuse is just lazy,

Tl;DR Come up with a better excuse to tell people not to do things or why they dont do things, Thanks.