Parley isn't fun - please replace

What I dislike the most in MMOs, or any game, is mindless tasks that serve as nothing but busy work. I don't feel game mechanics should be an abstract obstacle that you must surmount in order to enjoy the story, or whatever. Instead, the mechanics should be entertaining in and of themselves, and have some kind of synergy with the story.

Parley is pretty much none of these. It's not difficult. The challenge is hoping the AI doesn't pick the correct move.

Please replace this with something that's actually entertaining. Like card games minigames (like from previous FFs), or anything that requires strategy, thought, etc.

It's bad enough 50% or more of all quests amount to "walk all over the map for no reason". Parley being terrible as well just feels like busy work upon busy work. :(

I agree. It's the worst mini-game ever introduced into the series. I believe we should get a card game resembling Triple Triad from FFVIII or Tetra Master from FFIX.

I demand a squats mini-game.

FF7 ftw!

i too thought that the parlay mini game was more like a mini headache to say the least if your going to adopt a conversational mini game take a look at elder scrolls IV oblivion.. good mini game to boost standing with npcs nothing too much like it just something to look at and learn from imo =)

I kinda liked it, but it isnt very rewarding.

If anyone having major problems understanding it, im not sure how but i feel like it's kinda like playing tetris. ^.^

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Originally Posted by Hiruke

What I dislike the most in MMOs, or any game, is mindless tasks that serve as nothing but busy work. I don't feel game mechanics should be an abstract obstacle that you must surmount in order to enjoy the story, or whatever. Instead, the mechanics should be entertaining in and of themselves, and have some kind of synergy with the story.

Parley is pretty much none of these. It's not difficult. The challenge is hoping the AI doesn't pick the correct move.

Please replace this with something that's actually entertaining. Like card games minigames (like from previous FFs), or anything that requires strategy, thought, etc.

It's bad enough 50% or more of all quests amount to "walk all over the map for no reason". Parley being terrible as well just feels like busy work upon busy work. :(

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this mini-game feels like the dev team got drunk one night and someone had the "brilliant" idea.
And on top of it it TAKES AGES, just because its slow, like everything in this game. It's like the server has to verify every symbol that is popping in and a fax goes to the CO to approve... its ridicolous and the biggest brainfart i've ever seen.

Parley is a good minigame. Its just too raw right now...since the release i think the only change they did was speeding-up it a little. I believe its nothing a few tweaks can't fix. ^^

I wish they would expand upon parley to all merchant npcs and have a barter/negotiation type system. IMO, parley isn't that engaging right now because it's so damn easy to win.

I disagree, I like the parley and I wish they'd do more things like it. Parley reminds me of the old school method that made FF games great.. AKA "minigames" and new interfaces. To remove Parley would be a bad idea and to recommend they remove parley is an even worse idea.
Parley is great, we need more new interfaces and mini games like that and this game will be a winner..
It just need a little tlc..

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

I wish they would expand upon parley to all merchant npcs and have a barter/negotiation type system. IMO, parley isn't that engaging right now because it's so damn easy to win.

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This would be very nice! ^^ We being able to try out some bargains...could go from obtaining extra leves, price cuts at vendors, to convince NPCs to give you quests, etc.

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Originally Posted by BiggsWedge

I believe we should get a card game resembling Triple Triad from FFVIII or Tetra Master from FFIX.

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I was talking to someone about Parley the other day and they mentioned Triple Triad... that really could be a brilliant replacement/addition to the game - although, it should be adapted to fit into XIV lore-wise. We already have separate inventories for items and crystals, why not cards? :o

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Originally Posted by Solace

I disagree, I like the parley and I wish they'd do more things like it. Parley reminds me of the old school method that made FF games great.. AKA "minigames" and new interfaces. To remove Parley would be a bad idea and to recommend they remove parley is an even worse idea.
Parley is great, we need more new interfaces and mini games like that and this game will be a winner..
It just need a little tlc..

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But why do you disagree? To me, parley is on the same level as "tic tac toe". It's not particularly strategic. Playing a game of solitaire is more mentally stimulating. And since someone mentioned Tetris, first off I'm not sure how this game is like Tetris, and Tetris is somehow more fun than parley (as an avid fan of puzzle games, Tetris is somewhere near the bottom in terms of "fun to play").

No one is saying minigames are bad. I love Mario Party as much as the next person. And I never said to "remove" parley. I said to "REPLACE" it, with something better (which would be almost anything at this point).

If you're making the argument that you'd like to be forced to play tic tac toe several times throughout the course of playing 14, we can simply agree to disagree. However, I'd personally prefer to have FUN minigames. When "playing" parley, I never fear I'm going to lose. I know for a FACT I'm going to win. And it's not because I'm amazing or anything, it's because the game is simplistic and not fun. "You bring up the topic of sunstone-related rumors 3 times!" WOOT! Um, no.

Parley is perhaps the worst possible minigame conceived. I just want them to put something that's more fun it its place.

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Originally Posted by Miraa

I was talking to someone about Parley the other day and they mentioned Triple Triad... that really could be a brilliant replacement/addition to the game - although, it should be adapted to fit into XIV lore-wise. We already have separate inventories for items and crystals, why not cards? :o

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I wouldn't mind Triple Triad or Tetra Master. Though, I'd go for anything that was fun. Parley is essentially "play the strongest move available", which isn't exactly difficult to identify. You can't even really plan for your opponent's move, because the board will shuffle and add new pieces. So, it's just:

1) Play strongest move
2) Hope opponent doesn't play strongest move
3) Repeat

I like Parley because no matter how strategic you try to be, the game will give the NPC you are facing the exact tiles needed for a ridiculous 50+ point score.

Oh wait, no, that's why I absolutely abhor it. Someone mentioned Tetris, and they at least give you a notification of the next block that will appear, if Parley had something like that, perhaps it wouldn't be totally up to chance and luck.

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Originally Posted by Pulseczar

I wish they would expand upon parley to all merchant npcs and have a barter/negotiation type system. IMO, parley isn't that engaging right now because it's so damn easy to win.

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I like that idea.
Maybe they could make some tiers for NPCs. If you beat the NPC you get to the next tier and get a 5% discount for buying and a bonus of 5% for selling items. On the next tier you get and additional 5% up to a max of 25% for example.
Or they could offer new wares usually not avaliable in the city.

A Triple Triad or Tetra Master game in the casino in Ul'dah would be nice though ^^

I can handle a couple parleys here and there, but what really sends me into a rage is when i have to do it 3 or more times in one quest, it just feels like busy work. Its pointless it shouldn't be like that.