Is game missing long-term goal ?

when new patch is up, everyone will get at same gear lv. And you can start anew to get better gear...

I am not an elitist player! :P I did T5 1x as freeloader. I never did Turn 2 / T6 + /we didnt try, I didnt beat ramuh or shiva extreme (because i didnt play). But anyway I think this game is missing some long-term goal, even if you manage to put x milions to make top crafted gear + 5 materias 2xIV/3x III. It gets oudated hyperfast too, as new patch will bring you gear at same or better level for free in a week.

Pherhaps there might be I dont say whole gear sets, but some "more unique/higher" item, 1 per character which will keep to date longer than 1 patch cycle(!) this amount of time is really short. And i know those raiders are putting a lot of effort into endgame. Pardon me if I m wrong, I skipped game since 2.2. But to raid endgame for things which will be "accesible" to everyone in 3 months by doing roulettes. I dont know :/ excs. my ENG.p

maybe I am wrong and it's just personal feeling! I am not playing much... but...

In a way you are correct, as long term goals there are very few in the world of Eorzea to try and accomplish. However aside from crafting you neglected to mention that the relic at the moment is a very much long term goal for most players, yes there are those few who can complete the new step in anywhere from 1-2 weeks after release, but there are multiple people doing multiple relics, which restricts their goal to an even longer time frame.

Any who, the relic system is probably the best long term goals most people have right now. Though, like it's predecessor, I really hope we see new ultimate weapon lines to eventually open up for the jobs!

Some players might aim fot long-term goal other than relic grind. If there isn't any other then it's bad in a perspective way - my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

Some players might aim fot long-term goal other than relic grind. If there isn't any other then it's bad in a perspective way - my opinion.

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To get all luminary tools for clamour can also be a long time goal. Or win all prizes the Gold Saucer would have. Or to get all minions you can get ingame.
Long time goals don't have to be around best gear everytime.

for me, my long term goal is beating Shiva EX. Being a member of a rather small group of people though (colorblind female), that fight is quite vexing for me atm lol

I feel like you're asking the wrong question. Trying to stay up to date with your gear and crafting is a long term goal. It's just given to you in short chunks and the finish line keeps moving.

It sounds like what you're asking for is a long term reward. Something you work hard for but then don't have to worry about again for a long time. And no, this game doesn't really have that, unless you count housing.

And I actually prefer it this way. I like having the finish line constantly moved so that I always have something to strive for.

Game has no real long term goal atm I'd say.

My personal goals are to obtain all of the items I need from Final Coil, have BiS outting and basically be the best at my main as possible.

Plenty of long term goals I've got set out for myself.

- Finish all classes to 50
- Finish relic quest
- Catch all big fish
- Finish up on all my crafting/gathering achievements
- And many more :p

If you're a completionist with too little time like me, there's always stuff to do in this game!

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

for me, my long term goal is beating Shiva EX. Being a member of a rather small group of people though (colorblind female), that fight is quite vexing for me atm lol

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They are adjusting the AOE's in Shiva in the coming patch to help with this. I'm not even colourblind myself and I have a hard time seeing them sometimes.

Hildibrand.

Lonnng term goals available:
Get every job to 120ilvl (mine are all 110 atm, waiting for v3 for 120s)
Get every 110 peice of pvp gear and all 110 pvp weapons.
cap 20k wolf marks ready for next pvp armour update.
Get a completed relic on every job.
Cap chocobo rank.
Cap retainer rank.
Beat t13 before nerf.

Theres lots out there if you consider yourself a real completionist, which I do not.
(I am only aiming for the first 3)

I'm not sure if it's appropriate to say that for a theme park MMO - that there is a long term goal. I would say that any long term goal in this game, would be determined by the player and what the want or desire from the game. Everyone's motivation or reason for playing is not the same. For example, you have those who only play because they like to craft, min/max, roleplay or because they are completionists. Due to how the game is made, there are so many different paths you could take or dive into, so no 1 long term goal is ever impressed upon you. You choose what that long term goal is, based on the content available and what you like or want to do, how much time you want to invest, and how much you enjoy said content overall.

Ultimately, the long term goal in a theme park MMO is to get you to play and sub for as long as possible. That's really it. SE does themselves a favor in this, by making sure new content is released on a regular basis.

On the actual topic however, I can understand your frustrations with the "gear reset", if you want to call it that. However you must remember that this game is a theme park mmo and is mostly aimed towards casual players. Unfortunately, due to the game's design, it is always going to be this way for gear. IMO as long as your gear is good for current content, you should be fine. IF you are a min/maxer, additions like WoD can provide you with different options (bard gear without fucking SS and ACC I'm looking at you !) or perhaps you can get carbontwine/encrypted tomestone/carboncoat to upgrade your 120 gear, because maybe you have a few pieces you want to upgrade still - so this isn't always a bad thing. It's a win win for everyone except the most hardcore or elitist players, but even those who complain do indeed benefit from how the system is designed. I've seen a lot of "elitist" or "hardcore" players (some who have even beaten savage coil 6-9) who complained about "handouts for casuals" participate in hunts, or farmed ST to get sands/oils/UAT to upgrade their gear or get a i00/i110 weapon. Again, everyone benefits from this.

The only "long-term" goal in the game, relic weapons, has had (at best) mediocre rewards. You spend months, or in the case of the players who have been around since launch over a year, grinding out a weapon that is in most cases subpar to raid drops. Only once for a brief period of time was the grind actually worth it, and that was with the extreme caveat that you spent tens of millions of gil to infuse the right materia.

That's right, the ONLY long-term goal in the game right now nets you a reward of "you'd get better gear from farming tomestones and getting a couple of drops, or clearing T13 and getting lucky, than wasting months of your time on this shit" weapon.

Coil weapons have always been slightly better than the latest relic stage, and its intended.

Coil weapons (ultimate weapons) - take a very dedicated static months of effort (or exceptional skill/teamwork), so this should yield the best items in the game.

Relic weapons (casual weapons) are open to anyone, regardless of playtime or skill, although the grind is long, it by no means ever requires skill. It makes sense these would not be top tier.

If the best weapon in the game were relics, then coil would be empty.

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Originally Posted by Kiroh

or clearing T13 and getting lucky, than wasting months of your time on this shit" weapon.

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Clearing t13 and getting the drop, or to a point where your static can farm, often takes much longer than the relic grind. Both paths have set backs.

My long term goal is getting the tank mounts. I'm not a career tank so it's going to take a while. I just chip at it here and there.

My long term goal in game is to just keep improving. I'm not the best monk in the game nor claim to be and I'm quite hard on myself when I don't feel I did the best I could have done. So, for me, my long term goal is just getting better whether that's improving my gear or just practicing on a training dummy for a while to get used to rotations. So for me the games not really missing long term goals.

the game has plenty of long term goals as long as they are something you want to do. Chocobo level, personal housing, specific dungeon gear drop, achievement items, relic, gear, mounts, minions, gardening, crafting/gathering, pvp rank, and so on.

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Originally Posted by Accolade

Lonnng term goals available:
Get every job to 120ilvl (mine are all 110 atm, waiting for v3 for 120s)

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I think one of the OP's complaints was that these things are replaced quickly, so you can't really aim for these as a long term because by the time you hit I.lv 120 on all jobs, you're likely in Obsolete gear now... I mean, mathmatically speaking it would be impossible to get all jobs (all) to I.lv120 before they Uncap Poetics and release higher level Tomes, since you're bound to 450 a week. Unless you toss in Final Coil gear of course... which I still think would be very difficult since they're also weekly lockouts and luck based :D

Though by "Long term" i think he means a persistent goal, which i think relics would really be the only one available atm aside from fruitless side junk like Chocobo Raising. Though, I hope I can at least enjoy Triple Triad when its released... please SE, don' f**k up triple triad ._.

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Get a completed relic on every job.

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This is truly long term, I'll agree there. But its also downright suicide for anyone whos not already insane or dead :D

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Cap chocobo rank.

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Ball crunchingly pointless for the effort involved... but it is long term I'll give you that lol.

I think the only long term goal is to defeat the Ascians... a goal which can only be done once we've got enough updates to progress that far in the story. Any other long term goal would be made utterly irrelevant the minute a new update is released.

Achievements, minions, mounts, levels.

Nothing else in this game will ever be long-term, nor could it. As long as the game is progressive in nature, no gear will ever be the best, no content the highest tier. Achievements are forever. Achievements are the one true symbol of what you have accomplished in the game. Achievements are never replaced, sold, or thrown away. Minions, Mounts, and levels also are permanent symbols of the long term things you have accomplished in this game. Since day one, these things have been the first and foremost goals on my plate, and will continue to be until I quit the game. Everything else I do is only to better reach these goals, since everything else I do will only be made irrelevant and obsolete, typically sooner rather than later.

There are some long-term goals in the game that keep getting stretched. Clearing Coil, mastering crafting/gathering, collecting all of the minions and mounts, etc. They're not stellar, but they're something. I know some crafters/gatherers who look at the Luminary tools as ideal long-term goals due to the sheer amount of time, energy, and resources one has to put in just to acquire one of them.

That's not to say that there are enough long-term goals for every playstyle, unfortunately, but it's something.

Also, this is an "Odd" patch, which is usually reserved for catching players up to high level content and provide more hardcore content for crafters/gatherers. "Even" patches (2.2, 2.4) are usually more hardcore combat-oriented. So that's largely why there won't be much advancement for hardcore combat players this patch.

The issue with long term goals is that players who join late will be far behind everyone else.
A lot of people are complaining the Relic weapons quest is too long. Some who have been playing from launch and some who have joined later. But both group will complain it is too long and every few months a new relic upgrade will be release and they will complain again.

There is content which if dealt with directly will take you a long time to obtain. Housing, 4 star omni crater, lv50 all classes. Relic weapon etc... but majority of the people in the game will give up because they cannot be bothered or they have other priority.

In regards to gear, if new players were forced to go through the same cycle as those of us from launch they'll have a hard time catching up with everyone else.