How do you feel about the new poit allotment system?

Hello, i just wondering what's the general opinion on the new point allotment system and physical lvl abolishment
This is not a hate thread in any way, just wanted to share my opinion and check what others think about it.

Well to me the abolishment of physical level is very welcomed, but if i understand correctly now you have a point allotment screen diferent for every class. While this is probably simpler and makes your charachter good for every class... it just doesn't sit well with me, i mean i know it's a game and all but the fact that your physical atributes (the core of your charachter) change just like that depending what your grabing if a sword, a stick or a spoon...i don't like the way that sounds. I'm not saying i hate it, it will probably make my life easier and i have to try it but so far it just feels wrong.

Feel free to post you opinion

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I should mention i'm refering to the upcoming system in patch 1.19 just to clear any confusion

i like it.
the system that u say that doesnt sit well with you its because of the lack of quests for each class.
u pick up a pan and BAM ur a culinarian.
eventhough simple i like the class system.
And yes is like the abolishment of Physical ranks too.
let it be implemented and then we see how it works..

I love the idea of removing the point allotment system!
Heres the issue with it, if you want to play a DD and you alrdy lvled a mage you cant and if u try u will fail with no dex and str you will be weak to solo. If you do lvl up mage you only have two classes to play with, CONJ or THM. If u want to play anything else ull have to chose between mage or DD ur either a mage or a DD you cannot be both!
The beauty of FFXI is you could be anything you wanted to be but with this point allotment system your stuck and mage doesnt sound too fun with only 2 choices and thats all unless you want to spend an entire two days realotting all your points. And remember realotting points once you do it at 50 it take 4+ hrs to do it again.

cant wait for it to go!

yea fun is better then how you feel. Come on man you use a sword to fight a giant FIRE ORGE thats 20 feet tall and changing points is what feels wrong to you?

I will never understand people who rather spend hours on a stupid timesink then play a game and have fun. the game is not real its fake... when you understand that then mab some of these systems will make sense. i rather be able to use all jobs (in a fake not at all realistic world) to the fullest then wonder how i feel about changing points.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthroat

i like it.
the system that u say that doesnt sit well with you its because of the lack of quests for each class.
u pick up a pan and BAM ur a culinarian.
eventhough simple i like the class system.
And yes is like the abolishment of Physical ranks too.
let it be implemented and then we see how it works..

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I see what ur saying and maybe i didn't explain myself well, i like the class system but let me compare this with real life

Example: You grab a sword in real life for the 1st time in your life let's pretend that makes you a level 1 Gladeator, you have no practice with it you don't know any skills, so you go down to the street and start murdering some animals maybe some people and u get to be a better gladeator with practice. With this you also get some str and maybe dex who knows right? Now imagine you go grab a book or a magic wand or whatever, why would your str points disapear and int increase? did you get skinnier? why did u sudenly become smarter?

This example was obviously for the lols but u get my point, like i said to me Status points are the core of ur charachter symbolizing how it grows, i imagine u studying and working out making ur stats in real life and making them change based on what object is in your hand seems cheap to me. again i know this is a game and i'm open to this system

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Originally Posted by DNO

i rather be able to use all jobs (in a fake not at all realistic world) to the fullest then wonder how i feel about changing points.

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^this
/thumbsup

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I see what ur saying and maybe i didn't explain myself well, i like the class system but let me compare this with real life

Example: You grab a sword in real life for the 1st time in your life let's pretend that makes you a level 1 Gladeator, you have no practice with it you don't know any skills, so you go down to the street and start murdering some animals maybe some people and u get to be a better gladeator with practice. With this you also get some str and maybe dex who knows right? Now imagine you go grab a book or a magic wand or whatever, why would your str points disapear and int increase? did you get skinnier? why did u sudenly become smarter?

This example was obviously for the lols but u get my point, like i said to me Status points are the core of ur charachter symbolizing how it grows, i imagine u studying and working out making ur stats in real life and making them change based on what object is in your hand seems cheap to me. again i know this is a game and i'm open to this system

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so grabbing a book doesnt give me intelligence? YOU HEAR THAT KIDS?!?!?! no need to read no more! it doesnt give us intelligence after all :3 lol

my main problem till now was that i wanted to play melee and mage like i did in FFXI where my mains were summoner and samurai. You can still play every class on one character in XIV which is great but it wasnt perfect with our current system.
you could reasign points but it took a long time to completely change your stats from specialized mage to melee and vice versa.

with the new system you still get to customize your points (a little later), but for each class seperatly which is how it should be to really enjoy every calass without hours of waiting micromanagement. ^~^

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Originally Posted by DNO

yea fun is better then how you feel. Come on man you use a sword to fight a giant FIRE ORGE thats 20 feet tall and changing points is what feels wrong to you?

I will never understand people who rather spend hours on a stupid timesink then play a game and have fun. the game is not real its fake... when you understand that then mab some of these systems will make sense. i rather be able to use all jobs (in a fake not at all realistic world) to the fullest then wonder how i feel about changing points.

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Ahah well i understand it's a game for fun thank you very much, it's a world where everyone can teleport everywhere with "magical soul power" so i'm not looking for realism.... i just wanted to share an opinion, and some people just care about how things are done and the sense it gives the player.

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Originally Posted by Xaimera

^this
/thumbsup



so grabbing a book doesnt give me intelligence? YOU HEAR THAT KIDS?!?!?! no need to read no more! it doesnt give us intelligence after all :3 lol

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No, grabing a book doens't give int any more int than grabing a brick, u actualy have to spend time reading it ;)

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Originally Posted by Kobushi

I see what ur saying and maybe i didn't explain myself well, i like the class system but let me compare this with real life

Example: You grab a sword in real life for the 1st time in your life let's pretend that makes you a level 1 Gladeator, you have no practice with it you don't know any skills, so you go down to the street and start murdering some animals maybe some people and u get to be a better gladeator with practice. With this you also get some str and maybe dex who knows right? Now imagine you go grab a book or a magic wand or whatever, why would your str points disapear and int increase? did you get skinnier? why did u sudenly become smarter?

This example was obviously for the lols but u get my point, like i said to me Status points are the core of ur charachter symbolizing how it grows, i imagine u studying and working out making ur stats in real life and making them change based on what object is in your hand seems cheap to me. again i know this is a game and i'm open to this system

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comparing a fantasy mmo with real life can be ... well .. tricky.
i get your point and i partially agree but the thing is that what causing this "Reallity gap " if you will is not the point allotment system it is the lack of class quests.
i repeat that because if you did have to do a "Training" quest for each class the whole thing might be more digestable.
imho searching for realism in an mmo will just ruin your overall gameplay experience. there are tons of inaccuracies if we go on with this.

so i say enjoy the game as it is and dont overanalyze.

still its ur call :)

I want them to remove Manual Point Allotment all together.
Give Bonus Stats on Skills, Spells, and Weapon Skills
When equipping Skills, Spells, and Weaponskills if the If is from your class and your rank you get 100% of the stats listed.
If its cross class and not optimum rank you get none of the stats
If its cross class but optimum rank you get half..

Mixing two or more synergistic skills also grants you a job trait when you have a job active.

So having Cure and defender equipped when you are a Paladin will give you a job trait of something like Aura Shield, granting a magic defense or something.

I'm waiting for more info honestly, I think its the right direction for the masses though as long as we still have some control over the allocation of points in some form I'll be happy with it.

i dont think they need to do away with point allotment, they could just fix it. here how.
1 take away the restrictions on moving your points how you want them
2 make the points for each class stay on that class once set so you don't have to move your points every-time.

with all the point conversion traits out there well still have plenty of ways to move our points, so thats good.

I definitely have mixed feelings about this. One of the main things I enjoyed about the point allotment system was that if you started a new job at level one, you were not completely useless. Because of your training in other classes, you were stronger or smarter or whatever, and so your rank one class could survive fighting a level four or five enemy with a bit of difficulty (just try walking out of the gate as your new level 1 advanced job in FFXI and trying to fight one of the lowest level orcs, you die in maybe two hits).

However, because a good amount of us, myself included, try out a variety of classes--at the very least most of us have tried one disciple of war and one disciple of magic--the most logical choice is to balance your character so that all stats are roughly the same. This meaning that with the exception of say, those who hate playing mages and so never point any points into intelligence and peity, you will never be great at anything, you will just be good at everything. Although I do believe that the guild mark traits such as "Will to Power" (that let you trade some points you assigned to intelligence into strength) did a fairly good job at balancing that. Though that did have the problem that you had to be fairly good at one type of job before being better at the other (my highish-level conjurer spent alot of marks to be a better disciple of war, but none of my disciples of war are high enough to do the opposite). Maybe flip-flop which ones you get--i.e. the mages can spend points to turn strength into intelligence?

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Originally Posted by Kalamia

I definitely have mixed feelings about this. One of the main things I enjoyed about the point allotment system was that if you started a new job at level one, you were not completely useless. Because of your training in other classes, you were stronger or smarter or whatever, and so your rank one class could survive fighting a level four or five enemy with a bit of difficulty (just try walking out of the gate as your new level 1 advanced job in FFXI and trying to fight one of the lowest level orcs, you die in maybe two hits).

However, because a good amount of us, myself included, try out a variety of classes--at the very least most of us have tried one disciple of war and one disciple of magic--the most logical choice is to balance your character so that all stats are roughly the same. This meaning that with the exception of say, those who hate playing mages and so never point any points into intelligence and peity, you will never be great at anything, you will just be good at everything. Although I do believe that the guild mark traits such as "Will to Power" (that let you trade some points you assigned to intelligence into strength) did a fairly good job at balancing that. Though that did have the problem that you had to be fairly good at one type of job before being better at the other (my highish-level conjurer spent alot of marks to be a better disciple of war, but none of my disciples of war are high enough to do the opposite). Maybe flip-flop which ones you get--i.e. the mages can spend points to turn strength into intelligence?

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i like this for solo cause at rank 1-30 i can easily solo mobs 10-15 ranks above me for good sp. I dont like it because it causes in balance in the game when your playing with other players with the same rank and a lower physical lvl. Needless to say i will get all my bat classes above 25 while the gettins good.

Patch 1.19 removes point allotment, and it will be reintroduced in patch 1.20

Implementation of automated character development based on class level 1.19

We will implement a system whereby players can voluntarily allocate attribute points to each class in patch 1.20. This will take place alongside class balance adjustments.

It seems like they are going to rework all the Battle classes, based on forum imput, then work on fixing the point system to reflect what the classes become. <--- This is my Speculation only, Not at All Fact

Either way Points will be based on rank, I imagine they will need to change what the Caps for these attributes are, and how much they effect the class, as there is a clear maximum that can be achieved because it will be class lvl based

So for now enjoy the fact your character will have set attributes during the 1.19 patch, I dont know how good this will be but at the very least you wont fail at your class due to thinking Dex increases evasion or something else silly

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Originally Posted by Kobushi

No, grabing a book doens't give int any more int than grabing a brick, u actualy have to spend time reading it ;)

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i dunno about joo but when i grab a book i dont need to read it i just gain supa powas! 8-)

I feel that I can't wait.... I prefer to keep my stats for my mages, but my lowest jobs MRD and LNC were really starting to feel the effects of no dex and no str at r36. This didn't matter with leve linking/failing, but now that my performance matters, I really can't wait to have a stat build for each job.

I like the new system. +1!!!