Crafting Signatures

Hello,

Is there a way to remove crafting signatures from an item? (be it crafted by your own hand, or by someone else's)

As far as I've seen there is not an option to turn these off or remove them.

Thanks!

There is no way.

If it's a stackable item, you can change the signature by stacking it with items created by someone else, but I'm not sure how the dominant name is determined.

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Originally Posted by Lukha

If it's a stackable item, you can change the signature by stacking it with items created by someone else, but I'm not sure how the dominant name is determined.

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That's interesting, thank you!

I wonder if there is some way to do the same for items that don't stack (like equipment) though... Some friends of mine are running into a serious abuse problem (thanks to the craft signature feature) that I'm pretty sure is a violation of the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

That's interesting, thank you!

I wonder if there is some way to do the same for items that don't stack (like equipment) though... Some friends of mine are running into a serious abuse problem (thanks to the craft signature feature) that I'm pretty sure is a violation of the ToS.

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If someone's harassing them for being part of a market, your friends should report those players to GMs, as harassment is absolutely against the ToS.

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

If someone's harassing them for being part of a market, your friends should report those players to GMs, as harassment is absolutely against the ToS.

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I completely agree, but the problem is that we can't pin-point the player(s) doing the griefing and causing the issue in the first place. All we can see are people who send angry tells, but these people are just fellow crafters getting screwed over by the griefer(s). They think it's my friends doing the griefing since their signatures appear on the items, but someone else is buying items and re-listing them in attempts to tarnish my friends' reputations... :(

So these angry tells are coming from people being "harassed" by your friend's gear undercutting them on the MB? The tells are the greifing, not the undercutting.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I completely agree, but the problem is that we can't pin-point the player(s) doing the griefing and causing the issue in the first place. All we can see are people who send angry tells, but these people are just fellow crafters getting screwed over by the griefer(s). They think it's my friends doing the griefing since their signatures appear on the items, but someone else is buying items and re-listing them in attempts to tarnish my friends' reputations... :(

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Wait so people who craft in this game gets griefed by a person that has a item with your friend(s) name on it and they think its his/her fault?

Sounds like a completely new level of stupidity in my oppinion.

I have some more information to make the issue clearer as it's not as simple as "player(s) buy stuff then re-list and undercut" (though that would be stupid anyways as you'd never make any money...).

Basically there is this... "faction" let's call it, that own a bunch of retainers between them, and work together to not only undercut, but also target specific individuals and attempt to drive them out of the market by using the craft sig feature to tarnish that crafter's rep. Essentially some of my crafter friends are now being associated with this "faction" when in reality they hate them just as much as everyone else. Other players don't see that though, they see "items crafted by XYZ, therefore XYZ is part of the problem", and as you can imagine... it's extremely bad for business.

I'm not really sure what to suggest for them. Blacklisting everyone doesn't solve the problem, and there's not much sense in reporting a player who's just upset either (unless they get into extremes and harassment, then by all means). If there truly isn't a way to remove craft signatures, then SE should really look into implementing a way to make it optional. Maybe the use of a special item that acts like a "Terebinth" for items, erasing the signature instead of the dye colour.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

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excalibur have a group like that too and there is nothing you can do against them but wait until they get bored and stop. Report solve nothing , sadly.

So how is this tarnishing your friend's reputation, and reputation with who?

The only people that get upset with crafted gear undercutting is other crafters, and they're not the ones buying your stuff. Anyone these other crafters have enough influence with aren't buying crafted stuff on the MB either. This just sounds like a bunch of people that don't matter crying about your friend being mean in tells.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

So how is this tarnishing your friend's reputation, and reputation with who?

The only people that get upset with crafted gear undercutting is other crafters, and they're not the ones buying your stuff. Anyone these other crafters have enough influence with aren't buying crafted stuff on the MB either. This just sounds like a bunch of people that don't matter crying about your friend being mean in tells.

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I don't have access to all the angles, but essentially my friends just don't want to be associated with a group known for causing grief. Honestly, there should really just be a way to remove signatures or opt to not attach them to your crafted items, so as to avoid this type of situation entirely. Simple as that.

I noticed that we are on the same server. I am now curious if this "faction" is related to the group advertising in the PF as a "merchants fc." They aim to only recruit crafters and this scenario is exactly what I imagined it was designed for.

As much as SE says that bloated item data is causing them some problems on the development side of things, getting rid of the signature data entirely seems like an easy partial solution.

I don't think there is a way. It's a shame because some things I don't like having someone else's name on. Luckily for me I am 50 all crafts so I can make most of my stuff. I wish there was an option like in ffxi where you had to buy a special crystal in order to put your sig on an item. Usually it was just reserved for crafting stuff for your friends, which is how I feel it should be handled in this game too.

you can open up the market board and look at non-stackable items that can ONLY be crafted. and you can find several of them won't have the signature. i don't know if it is a bug, (done randomly and can't be reproduced) or maybe a glitch. (and someone just isn't sharing) but i do know that it is somehow possible. however, i have never personally had it occur on any items crafted by myself.

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Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY

you can open up the market board and look at non-stackable items that can ONLY be crafted. and you can find several of them won't have the signature. i don't know if it is a bug, (done randomly and can't be reproduced) or maybe a glitch. (and someone just isn't sharing) but i do know that it is somehow possible. however, i have never personally had it occur on any items crafted by myself.

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This will happen if a retainer brings back the item from a venture. I think it happens also if the crafter leaves server.

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Originally Posted by Sadana

This will happen if a retainer brings back the item from a venture.

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This. There's a few items I routinely make when the AH doesn't have any up, and only a few other crafters bother with. We don't flood the market, we just put one up @ a time. When a bunch land on the AH, it's almost always unsigned venturebling.

Hmmm... Do retainers bring back i90 Cashmere gear? I've never heard of one doing so but if others have experienced this, it would explain the missing signature on some high-lvl crafted gear/items.

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Originally Posted by Archadius

I completely agree, but the problem is that we can't pin-point the player(s) doing the griefing and causing the issue in the first place. All we can see are people who send angry tells, but these people are just fellow crafters getting screwed over by the griefer(s). They think it's my friends doing the griefing since their signatures appear on the items, but someone else is buying items and re-listing them in attempts to tarnish my friends' reputations... :(

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And I'm sorry to say to them that it's still harassment.

Define harassment. There are people that will report and demand someone be perma banned for something as simple as "Hey, X items consistently sells for Y gil. Could you please not undercut by 50% or more? Undercutting it won't sell faster, and selling higher makes everyone more money."

Something something "waah they're giving unwanted advice waah wah" etc etc.

Am I missing something? I would just be happy my stuff is selling I mean who gives a crap if someone buys it and then post it for more/less because if someone actually hit me up with a /tell saying you jacked up this price wtf?? I would just simply say "I'm no longer selling anything like that, sorry."

Also, i'm assuming here that these people are buying people out then jacking up the price? If I were a fellow crafter I would thank that person lol. cuz now if I make another its worth even more... if they are buying people out and lowering the price then who cares, your selling regardless and let them lose their money, they obviously will ot be able to keep it up. Like i said am i missing something here lol?

And yes they can bring back i90 gear, pretty sure if you can craft it they can find it.

Might be too much trouble for your crafter friend, but they CAN check the MB and look at the history right after their items sell. It will show you the name of the person who bought it, so when you see it get re-posted later, it should be easier to figure out who this person is who's deliberately buying items from you and then selling them for less.
Also, if the disgruntled crafters keep badgering you after you explain yourself and ask them to stop, then they're the real criminals here

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Originally Posted by Pterois

Am I missing something?

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Yes. The point here is not about the loss/gain of profits, nor about undercutting in general. It's about legitimate people being wrongfully associated with an illegitimate group. It ruins players' reputations.

Let me put it in perpective for you. How would you feel if you were reputable on your server for being a good raider with some serious skill and appreciated for helping others learn fight mechanics, etc, then a group of players decided to start spreading trash about you, saying that you were selling merc runs under the table (let's assume your fellow raiders frowned on that, in reality some do, some don't) even though you really weren't, thus tarnishing your good name? Soon people stop inviting you to raid with them, stop asking for your help, or stop talking to you altogether. Do you say "oh well, at least I got a few wins under my belt!" or does it make you upset that some asshats ruined that part of the game for you?

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Originally Posted by Archadius

Yes. The point here is not about the loss/gain of profits, nor about undercutting in general. It's about legitimate people being wrongfully associated with an illegitimate group. It ruins players' reputations.

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How is collaborating to corner the market illegitimate?

Who sees your friend as less reputable as a result, besides a few crybaby crafters that would never buy his stuff anyway?

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Originally Posted by Archadius

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i disregard people who talk trash because in the end... your true character will always shine though that crap. You are feeding the trolls.

And when it comes to this hypothetical situation you bring up... actually achieving a reputation (as in people know your name off the top of their heads and know your good) on any server is quite a feat... even more so if you are know for one who give back to the people and isn't a rage quitting boy. Anything anyone say will fail because skill cannot be talked away, good deeds cant be twisted into trash... like i said i would just keep being me because thats what counts.

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Back to your situation... i don't see how this applies to crafting, if you are know for someone who would willingly craft anything for anyone regardless of commission or tips, then nothing anyone can say would change that (thats the only reputation based situation i can thing of here)... keep being you and the BS will fall flat on its face. because in the end IT IS about loss and gain, or else wtf you doing as a crafter?

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Originally Posted by Pterois

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Hmmm... Yes good point. Seems like since SE hasn't given us a way to remove craft signatures (and thus avoid this situation entirely from the beginning), the only real thing I can do is tell my friends to politely and calmly explain to anyone who approaches them that it's someone else buying up and re-selling their stuff and they are not part of this "faction". If those people refuse to listen... well... lost cause I suppose. Blacklist and move on. I was hoping for a better way.