Omega Weapon?

So, I'm guilty of skipping much of the cutscenes. Where can I read about Omega? Somethign about under Carteneu plains?

Omega Weapon is under Cartenau Plains, near where Dalamud fell, Teledji Adelji, a memeber of Ul'dah's syndicate has put something forward called the "Cartenau Reclaimation Bill", the bill has been put forward under the guise of providing new housing for Ala Mhigan refugees, who swamp Ul'dah's gates. What he really wants to pass the bill for is so he can dig Omega up and take it for himself. You can rewatch missed cutscenes in your inn room at "The Unending Journey" book.

Specifically, Raubahn and Nanamo talked about Omega in:

The Unending Journey > Main Scenario Quests > Seventh Astral Era > Revolution > Cutscene #3

For the record, they just called it "Omega", and not "Omega Weapon".
While related (and given FF-lore), they're different contraptions.

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

For the record, they just called it "Omega", and not "Omega Weapon".
While related (and given FF-lore), they're different contraptions.

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We don't know that yet. The Weapons were Allagan devices built to fight primals and we've been told that Omega was actually built to fight Bahamut. It's presumably how they trapped him within Dalamud in the first place. Given that both were built to fight primals, Omega may indeed be a Weapon...

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Originally Posted by Exodus-E

For the record, they just called it "Omega", and not "Omega Weapon".
While related (and given FF-lore), they're different contraptions.

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This.

Omega Weapon is usually an improved version of Ultima Weapon, while Omega is an incredibly powerful robot.

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Originally Posted by Kassiekane

This.

Omega Weapon is usually an improved version of Ultima Weapon, while Omega is an incredibly powerful robot.

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I think you're reading too much into slight translation variations. Omega or Omega Weapon, it's all the same recurring reference, a super powerful (generally optional) mechanical boss. In some games there's a direct reference to a related Ultima Weapon (FF8), in some games it stands alone (FF5). Either way, it's the same recurring reference. There's nothing to suggest there's a distinction between an Omega and an Omega Weapon.

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Originally Posted by Torquil

I think you're reading too much into slight translation variations. Omega or Omega Weapon, it's all the same recurring reference, a super powerful (generally optional) mechanical boss. In some games there's a direct reference to a related Ultima Weapon (FF8), in some games it stands alone (FF5). Either way, it's the same recurring reference. There's nothing to suggest there's a distinction between an Omega and an Omega Weapon.

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Actually Omega and Omega Weapon are two different things.



If they say in game simply "Omega" then they are referencing the Robotic Omega. Omega is more Iconic in the series than Omega Weapon.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ythm_Omega.png

If they say "Omega Weapon" then they mean the alternate more powerful version of Ultima Weapon. Omega Weapon is more of a beast rather than a robot (although it can sometimes have some robotic parts)
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Weapon-ffx.png

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Originally Posted by Torquil

There's nothing to suggest there's a distinction between an Omega and an Omega Weapon.

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Except for the fact that Omega Weapon has always been similar to Ultima Weapon, while Omega has always looked like some form of quadrupedal, mechanical spider.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

Except for the fact that Omega Weapon has always been similar to Ultima Weapon, while Omega has always looked like some form of quadrupedal, mechanical spider.

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Actually Omega and Omega Weapon are two different things.

If they say in game simply "Omega" then they are referencing the Robotic Omega. Omega is more Iconic in the series than Omega Weapon.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...ythm_Omega.png

If they say "Omega Weapon" then they mean the alternate more powerful version of Ultima Weapon. Omega Weapon is more of a beast rather than a robot (although it can sometimes have some robotic parts)
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...Weapon-ffx.png

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Just to be fair to Torquil here, "Omega" and "Omega Weapon" do not both appear in any one single game, only one or the other. And consider in Final Fantasy Theatrhythm, a game where pretty much every single reoccurring and popular enemy receives a "Card", that there is an "Omega" Card, and no "Omega Weapon" card, while simultaneously having an "Ultima Weapon" card... it would not be difficult to assume they are the same entity despite appearance differences


If we're using FF lore, it should also be noted both Omega and Ultima were added into FFXI at the same time, as bosses, Omega possessing the "Spider mech" look, and Ultima not having "Weapon" in the name, but both being the known mechanic menaces. It should also be noted that Omega weapon only appears in (Main series)games Ultima weapon exists in, but not all of them... "Omega" appearing in the others, but not all of them.

But I believe Omega Weapon is actually just introduced as a +1 to Ultima weapon in games it appears... where as "Omega" is more an interdimensional beast/traveler like Gilgamesh and other reaccuring bosses that the game alludes are actually all the same boss just traveling dimensions.

Also lastly, for lore...

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According to the Urutan-Yensa bestiary entry in Final Fantasy XII, Omega Mark XII was created by an inventor for the request of an unknown patron to defeat a monstrous wyrm.

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A dragon which flits through dimensions in pursuit of Omega. Enemies drown in the face of its strength. It guards a legendary sword, but neither its treasure nor power offer any clue why it might lurk in a box...

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This makes me feel that we'll likely be getting "Omega Weapon", the +1 Ultima weapon... not "Omega", its likely if they stick to FF lore, "Omega" will be introduced near or alongside Shinryu.

I have a feeling that the Interceptor Node that appears during Frontlines may be a part of Omega. It kinda reminds me of the part that sticks out from its back.

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Originally Posted by Mholito

I have a feeling that the Interceptor Node that appears during Frontlines may be a part of Omega. It kinda reminds me of the part that sticks out from its back.

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Damn you beat me to it lol. I was gonna say the same thing.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

Just to be fair to Torquil here, "Omega" and "Omega Weapon" do not both appear in any one single game, only one or the other.

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With FF10 being the exception. Ultimate Weapon was a spawn of the Omega Weapon in FF10 (both being extreemly powerful Unsent aka Feinds/Monsters)

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

With FF10 being the exception. Ultimate Weapon was a spawn of the Omega Weapon in FF10 (both being extreemly powerful Unsent aka Feinds/Monsters)

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No, there is only Omega Weapon in FF10, not Omega.

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Originally Posted by lololink

No, there is only Omega Weapon in FF10, not Omega.

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Which are the exact same thing. FF10 is also the sole exception to the name as well. All other refrences somply call it "Omega".

But it battle entity is registered as Omega Weapon. If you're talking about FFX, and speak about Omega, you're talking about that Yu Yevon monk. If you're talking about FFX, and topic relating Omega Weapon, you're talking about what became of him since he was never sent or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

But it battle entity is registered as Omega Weapon. If you're talking about FFX, and speak about Omega, you're talking about that Yu Yevon monk. If you're talking about FFX, and topic relating Omega Weapon, you're talking about what became of him since he was never sent or something like that.

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Yes, thank you. Omega was an Unsent Monk who died on an island after exile. The fiend he turned into was "The Omega WEAPON" as in the Weapon of the Monk Omega.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Yes, thank you. Omega was an Unsent Monk who died on an island after exile. The fiend he turned into was "The Omega WEAPON" as in the Weapon of the Monk Omega.

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Then it wasn't this Omega : http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb2...FV_Artwork.jpg

The post you quoted said that was never was Spider Omega and Omega weapon in the same game.

Spider omega appear in :V XI XII and XIII-2 while Omega Weapon appear in : VI VII ( DoC ) VIII and X.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Spider omega appear in :V XI XII and XIII-2 while Omega Weapon appear in : VI VII ( DoC ) VIII and X.

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In final fantasy 10 Machines were against the religion of Yevon which controled Spira. There were verry few machines in that world at all and the few that were are controled by a small rebellion that the Al'bed race holds in oposition to Yevon. So no, there was no 40 foot tall giant spider bot in Spira. How ever, did you ever see a giant dragon-behemoth on steroids in the games like FF8 where magic was rare, it's natural users even rarer, and technology had to be used as a work around? no, no you didn't. I'm not a dev or any thing but to me they seem to serve the same function. Omega and Ultima do ocationally apear side by side in a game but what never apears is "Omega" and "The Omega Weaopn" co-existing in the same game.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

what never apears is "Omega" and "The Omega Weaopn" co-existing in the same game.

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Yes that's what I'm saying.

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Originally Posted by lololink

Yes that's what I'm saying.

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So do we agree or disagree? To me The Weapon and Omega him self are the same thing with a difrent name and aperence.
Is your veiw of Omega (the spider bot) along the lines of the "There's only one Gilgimesh Paradox" in that Omage (The Spider Bot) is THE ONLY being with that name and the spider bot it's self is the same one over and over, or do you think that only some worlds have The Omega-bot while others have The Omega Weapon?

The original Omega (the robot spider thing) is hinted at being the same entity similar to Gilgamesh (or at least the same description)

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_(Enemy)

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

So do we agree or disagree? To me The Weapon and Omega him self are the same thing with a difrent name and aperence.
Is your veiw of Omega (the spider bot) along the lines of the "There's only one Gilgimesh Paradox" in that Omage (The Spider Bot) is THE ONLY being with that name and the spider bot it's self is the same one over and over, or do you think that only some worlds have The Omega-bot while others have The Omega Weapon?

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The way they look is too different for it to be the same imo, but the fact that they never appear in the same game makes it possible.

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

The original Omega (the robot spider thing) is hinted at being the same entity similar to Gilgamesh (or at least the same description)

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_(Enemy)

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Hmm, that would explain how there are only 4 aperences of the Biological Omega Weapon while the Mechanical Omega is one of THE most recurring superbosses in the FF series along side Seiryu and Gilgimaesh him self, the very name sake for the Paradox that involves the three "Rift Wandering" beings.

For the sake of argument here... I REALLY don't think the dev team wants to just throw a reskinned and harder Ultima at us. The Omega in this game is going to be the Robot one. They can just do Ultima Extreme if they want to do another fight with that model. Most like, Omega is the Unknown Trial for the upcoming patch, and it will be a pretty hard fight with Atomic Ray and other such moves.

As for the debate of "Is Omega the same across games?" No. It is not. 5 is the first appearance of Omega. The only times it could be the same are the retcons into the 1 and 4 worlds, as well as the Arena at the end of Time in 13-2. The 7 version of Omega is retconned into the world through Dirge of Cerberus as the planet's creation in a final effort to save the souls on the planet. Omega is generated from the life stream. In 8, Omega is an enhanced version of Ultima, and created through Ultimecia's magic, much like all else in her castle. In 10, Omega was a disgraced monk who was banished and Cursed Yevon, while Ultima was a shadow of his rage. In 11, it was a Bio-technological Weapon created by the Zilart, Notably to fight Wyrms. Similarly, in XII, you fight Omega Mk. XII, which is a sleeping robot in its twelfth iteration having slept in crystal of untold periods of time and consuming Mist such that it may one day face Yzamat. The Omega in 5 would be the predecessor to Mk. XII. In fact, if anything, the Mk. XII further suggests that the Omegas are all Separate, though they may have had similar origins, with some having been created in the same universe.

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

For the sake of argument here... I REALLY don't think the dev team wants to just throw a reskinned and harder Ultima at us. The Omega in this game is going to be the Robot one. They can just do Ultima Extreme if they want to do another fight with that model. Most like, Omega is the Unknown Trial for the upcoming patch, and it will be a pretty hard fight with Atomic Ray and other such moves.

As for the debate of "Is Omega the same across games?" No. It is not. 5 is the first appearance of Omega. The only times it could be the same are the retcons into the 1 and 4 worlds, as well as the Arena at the end of Time in 13-2. The 7 version of Omega is retconned into the world through Dirge of Cerberus as the planet's creation in a final effort to save the souls on the planet. Omega is generated from the life stream. In 8, Omega is an enhanced version of Ultima, and created through Ultimecia's magic, much like all else in her castle. In 10, Omega was a disgraced monk who was banished and Cursed Yevon, while Ultima was a shadow of his rage. In 11, it was a Bio-technological Weapon created by the Zilart, Notably to fight Wyrms. Similarly, in XII, you fight Omega Mk. XII, which is a sleeping robot in its twelfth iteration having slept in crystal of untold periods of time and consuming Mist such that it may one day face Yzamat. The Omega in 5 would be the predecessor to Mk. XII. In fact, if anything, the Mk. XII further suggests that the Omegas are all Separate, though they may have had similar origins, with some having been created in the same universe.

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Pretty sure that Omega in XIII-2 was the same Omega as the one from V though.

Reread the second line of the second paragraph :(

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Originally Posted by Lusavari

Reread the second line of the second paragraph :(

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Ah, got what you were saying now, sorry!

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Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline

The original Omega (the robot spider thing) is hinted at being the same entity similar to Gilgamesh (or at least the same description)

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Omega_(Enemy)

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Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace

Hmm, that would explain how there are only 4 aperences of the Biological Omega Weapon while the Mechanical Omega is one of THE most recurring superbosses in the FF series along side Seiryu and Gilgimaesh him self, the very name sake for the Paradox that involves the three "Rift Wandering" beings.

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Yah I kinda posted that information too in the post you quoted lol.

Wow, it had never even occurred to me that people could believe that Omega and Omega Weapon were distinct parts of FF cross-game lore. I've always looked at it this way:
- Ultima Weapon or Ultima appears in almost every game. Their design varies, but their name means they're all "related", in a way.
- Omega Weapon or Omega appears in almost every game, but generally only if that game has an Ultima or Ultima Weapon in it. It's usually the "ueber" version of Ultima. Their design varies, but they are usually a palatte swapped clone of Ultima. These, too, are all "related".
- Ultima / Ultima Weapon is usually a required battle. Omega / Omega Weapon is almost always an optional battle.
- There is no "traveling across universes" shenanigans. Omega and Ultima both just happen to be creations that commonly appear in FF games. Just like Tonberries usually appear, but have different backstories from game to game.

Irregardless of whether Omega is distinct from Omega Weapon, though, in THIS game, during the cutscenes when Omega is first discussed, they EXPLICITLY compare it to Ultima, remarking that it is far more powerful. This is a pretty strong hint that the two contraptions are related in this game; both are pieces of ancient Allagan technology, with Omega designed specificially to be able to combat Bahamut.

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Originally Posted by LineageRazor

Irregardless

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This is a thing? I thought it was one of them cartoon jokes.

That notwithstanding, I do agree with your points.

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Originally Posted by Toranja

This is a thing? I thought it was one of them cartoon jokes.

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I imagine its a word people use almost entirely to make people crazy.

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Originally Posted by BlaiseArath

I imagine its a word people use almost entirely to make people crazy.

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Or to make one write/type more than necessary... lol.