PvP rank might need looking at?

With glamours introduced awhile back it makes sense people want to have pretty gear. PvP sets are fairly alluring for a lot of classes (Bard/Pld notable) but with FL it seems like you can get a set of armor before you can even wear it. Should rank requirements to wear the gear be lowered? It's just forcing real pvpers to waste time buying suboptimal gear because of rank and forcing pvers/rpers to grind hours to be able to glamour it. Is the intent to make them a trophy? Sure feels that way.

How are real PvPers being forced to waste time buying suboptimal gear? With the Morale changes, PvP gear isn't exactly the sole pieces of gear you'd want in PvP... If you have i110 PvE gear, it's going to be better than i70 or i90 PvP gear, depending on your stats it might even be better than i100 PvP gear... There really isn't a lot of point buying anything more than i110 PvP...

Other than that, the whole point of it is to force people to grind PvP to earn it. That keeps more people in PvP for longer. They are basically a trophy at this point, since gear progression in PvP has basically been abolished.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

How are real PvPers being forced to waste time buying suboptimal gear? With the Morale changes, PvP gear isn't exactly the sole pieces of gear you'd want in PvP... If you have i110 PvE gear, it's going to be better than i70 or i90 PvP gear, depending on your stats it might even be better than i100 PvP gear... There really isn't a lot of point buying anything more than i110 PvP...

Other than that, the whole point of it is to force people to grind PvP to earn it. That keeps more people in PvP for longer. They are basically a trophy at this point, since gear progression in PvP has basically been abolished.

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Well in a perfect world morale makes pvp gear better than pve in den+FL. Since you get a lot of marks and not nearly enough exp to match it means if you want pvp gear for your rank you buy the i80-90 stuff instead of the i110 gear which is the current top end. It's not the case, so the rank system is just forcing grinds where it shouldn't be.

Level desynthing.

I think the intent was to make them a trophy. I pvp for the fun of it but others probably do it for the rewards, and the scene might be dead if there was no trophy to go after.

They should just make it so that you can't buy it if you can't wear it. It would remove the confusion.

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Originally Posted by TheFanciestBard

Well in a perfect world morale makes pvp gear better than pve in den+FL. Since you get a lot of marks and not nearly enough exp to match it means if you want pvp gear for your rank you buy the i80-90 stuff instead of the i110 gear which is the current top end. It's not the case, so the rank system is just forcing grinds where it shouldn't be.

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Due to how morale and ilevelsyncing works i100 and i110 pieces have higher stats then i80 and i90 pieces with the same secondary stat ratio.

Hahahahaha

PVP and stop crying.

It's really not so bad. Being able to earn Wolfmarks with a cap at 20,000, and spend them on the higher ranked gear you want to wear once you get there, means you can collect a couple of full sets by the time your rank gets into the 30's. When I hit the ranks in the 30's on my way to 40 when that was the max, I didn't have to wait and grind out enough WM's at that point to buy something I wanted.

I saw how nice that was once the rank cap went from 40 to 45, and the opposite became true- I increased ranks and became able to equip the i110 gear much faster than I could buy all the equipable pieces I wanted. I'm at rank 45 and there's quite a few i110 things I'd like to buy but with the number of classes it will take awhile. But if you're lower ranked you can just keep buying all that gear before you get to where you can wear it while earning PVP exp- and that gear will be ready and waiting on you when you get there.

The rank restriction on all i100 animal gear will be removed with 2.5 anyway. So ppl can have thier vanity after 10 frontline games and quit right after.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

The rank restriction on all i100 animal gear will be removed with 2.5 anyway. So ppl can have thier vanity after 10 frontline games and quit right after.

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Doubt it. It rips away the reward for actually PVPing.

They only removed the restriction on the I90 gear because it's generic looking gear.

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Originally Posted by TheFanciestBard

[...] and forcing pvers to grind hours to be able to glamour it. [...]

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PvE players should stick to things they're actually good at (memorizing totally predictable and boring PvE boss fights).

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

Doubt it. It rips away the reward for actually PVPing.

They only removed the restriction on the I90 gear because it's generic looking gear.

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Yeah I hope you're right. On one hand, I'd like to be rid of the lousy players who don't even care enough about winning to do more than 'guard' OP (up until a team of 4-6 wipes them out anyway rendering their time spent standing there doing nothing prior to that pointless) and then AFK after they die. But on the other hand the i100 gear and i110 gear are too alike (and the i100 can be dyed to look even more like the i110 gear than how it starts out when you buy it) and that would be a tremendous FU to the people who worked hard to be able to equip that gear if they subsequently pass it out left and right. And the i90 gear did include a lot of retreads. Like the SMN/SCH weapons which were slightly recolored Titan books. I think the bow might have been a purple version of the adders i55 GC bow I bought a year ago for my first level 50. It's not that hard to get up to at least i40 for all the i100 stuff, pretty much everyone in my LS who runs FL at least a few times a week is there.

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Originally Posted by Andriel

PvE players should stick to things they're actually good at (memorizing totally predictable and boring PvE boss fights).

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Cause playing capture the flag over and over isn't repetitive either....

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

Cause playing capture the flag over and over isn't repetitive either....

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L.o.L. I don't mind the system as it is now but I do think the grind to actually wear / glamour the gear is pretty long (took me 3 months to get from 10 to 45)

The grind is painful. Not enough people have the time to complete the pvp challenge logs. Queues are aweful and if your faction doesnt win often it demoralizes people and you get less PvPers.

With roulette on the way, Wolves Den will be on the rise,
And that PVP ilvl 110 will be ilvl 130 with Materia bonus.
Making it the best gear in the game for PVP

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Originally Posted by ZanzhizExaverion

Doubt it. It rips away the reward for actually PVPing.

They only removed the restriction on the I90 gear because it's generic looking gear.

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They removed the restriction because they want that newer players can catch up on pvp "endgame" easier, so they dont have to play 300 frontlines to get usefull pvp gear. And since i110 is currently the endgame pvp stuff, they will remove it on i100 for sure. On top of that, they might add rank 46-50 with new pvp gear in 2.5 anyway so that is then the reward for pvping.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

They removed the restriction because they want that newer players can catch up on pvp "endgame" easier, so they dont have to play 300 frontlines to get usefull pvp gear. And since i110 is currently the endgame pvp stuff, they will remove it on i100 for sure. On top of that, they might add rank 46-50 with new pvp gear in 2.5 anyway so that is then the reward for pvping.

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That was never said nor confirmed. There was literally no reason to remove the rank restriction from the gear, especially when they effectively KO'd Wolves' Den. The only reason was because it looks generic and nothing more. People who do not PVP should not be rewarded with a true Showmanship Gladiator's garb that's literally meant for showboating in battle.

I can see them lowering the rank requirement, but no, they will never straight up remove it from the animal gear.

Everyone in here saying the grind is painful, try Nexus, try pre-nerf animus. I'm sure you all have, those were ten times worse than the PVP grind, because they're not fun. If you're not having fun with PVP, then you don't deserve the gear, period.

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I just did hit rank 45 and i agree to the point that i dont like to see every nub in mor dhona running around with animal gear. But, thats just square enix way of develop this game. There was a time where coil2 gear was unique and you had to be a badass player to get some. And just look what they have done. Coil2 is df-able with randoms and everyone can get this gear now. I mean you are playing this game since start so you should know that square always gives old gear to players like free candies, no matter how hard or how long it did took to obtain at some time in the lifespan of this game.

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Originally Posted by Sanghelios

I just did hit rank 45 and i agree to the point that i dont like to see every nub in mor dhona running around with animal gear. But, thats just square enix way of develop this game. There was a time where coil2 gear was unique and you had to be a badass player to get some. And just look what they have done. Coil2 is df-able with randoms and everyone can get this gear now. I mean you are playing this game since start so you should know that square always gives old gear to players like free candies, no matter how hard or how long it did took to obtain at some time in the lifespan of this game.

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There's a difference between PVE progression gear and PVP "progression" glamour + sought after gear. They charge money for glamour for gods sake.

They'll keep it locked behind something, there's no doubt.

Rank 45 here
As long as we keep getting new gear with new models, I do not mind people getting previous sets without a rank. The same way I do not mind end-game raids to get easier over time.
However, like raiders, I do expect a new tier of gear for me to grind to. If they remove the restriction on animal gear, but a new set of gear /requires/ level 50. I am still going to be way ahead of the curve at 45.
Gear should not become unreachable as time goes on. If PvP rank keeps increasing, then like the relic questline new players are going to see a huge grind ahead of them and never participate at all.