Dragoon, T11, Jump, and Barofield

In T11, the final boss puts down a barofield underneath its current position that applies a heavy debuff and a vulnerability up stack if it is stepped in.

My static tried T11 for the first time last night and i went in on my dragoon, assuming that I could not use my jump skills while barofield was up because it would apply the heavy debuff.

While playing, I noticed that my assumption was wrong. I was capable of using all 3 jumps during the fight without getting the debuff, even though my jumps placed me inside the barofield.

This got me thinking about a few things:

1) How does this work? Did the devs program in a small invulnerability window just for barofield and jumping? Or maybe for the DRG they shrink the barofield range?? I am not sure.

2) Can dragoons use this to their advantage? Is it possible to use this effect to go across the boss without getting hit by barofield? Normally, everyone has to go around but this just got me thinking.

Any ideas?

It's simple: your jumps don't place you inside the Barofield AoE.

Jumps (when performed outside an enemy's hitbox) take you to the very outside of the enemy's hitbox. Barofield will never hit you as long as you're outside the hitbox, thus jumps are safe from it.

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Originally Posted by SunnyHirose

It's simple: your jumps don't place you inside the Barofield AoE.

Jumps (when performed outside an enemy's hitbox) take you to the very outside of the enemy's hitbox. Barofield will never hit you as long as you're outside the hitbox, thus jumps are safe from it.

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Hrmm I did not know this. Though it does seem odd because 2 of my jumps do actually place me inside the barofield. I have to run back out for spineshatter and dragonfire dive. Maybe they do not place me far enough into the field? Not sure, because it looks like I am 2 steps into it

I wouldn't try to jump through the field during the ADS phase though since you'd technically be inside the field. Assuming they're on the other side of the boss, of course.

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Originally Posted by Ardan

I wouldn't try to jump through the field during the ADS phase though since you'd technically be inside the field. Assuming they're on the other side of the boss, of course.

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Yes, I was talking about the small field during phase 1 (90-60%) and phase 3 (60-0%)

The central field during the add phase is a 1 hit KO if you touch it. I tried to elusive jump back through it and died lol

I believe all (most?) ground effects tick their damage/debuff on the server global timer, which is the same as all DoTs, every 3 seconds. It's possible that the time you spend inside Barofield was during that gap between ticks.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I believe all (most?) ground effects tick their damage/debuff on the server global timer, which is the same as all DoTs, every 3 seconds. It's possible that the time you spend inside Barofield was during that gap between ticks.

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I thought about this as well, but it seems really unlikely because throughout our night on T11, i jumped in at least 50 times and never got hit with the heavy. Every 3 seconds and about .5s spent inside the field should result in a .5/3 = 17% chance to take a stack every time I jump. That can't be the case consider in just NEVER take a stack while jumping.

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Originally Posted by Kitfox

I believe all (most?) ground effects tick their damage/debuff on the server global timer, which is the same as all DoTs, every 3 seconds. It's possible that the time you spend inside Barofield was during that gap between ticks.

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I have used all 3 jumps on this fight literally thousands of times and never had an issue... although I could just be lucky :P

I think that the AoE for Barofield is slightly smaller than the hit box of boss, so when you SSD or DFD and land right at the boss you are still not touching the field

I use target lock, makes T11 a cake walk, you will never go inside barofield with target lock active.

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Originally Posted by TheKingSlayer

I have used all 3 jumps on this fight literally thousands of times and never had an issue... although I could just be lucky :P

I think that the AoE for Barofield is slightly smaller than the hit box of boss, so when you SSD or DFD and land right at the boss you are still not touching the field

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I see, that would make some sense, but it still felt and looked really odd to me while it was happening. Anywho, thanks for the info!

The only thing to look out for with DRG jumps (outside of very poorly timed ones like in T13 Megaflares or something) is T10's Shadow Flare equivalent. Your Jump can and will momentarily enter it, which if unlucky can be death.

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Originally Posted by Daweism

I use target lock, makes T11 a cake walk, you will never go inside barofield with target lock active.

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This ^^

T10 on the other hand... we tank it ontop of the blue electric shit so if im drg and jump there a chance to get hit by DoT lol

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Originally Posted by Tex_Mex

Hrmm I did not know this. Though it does seem odd because 2 of my jumps do actually place me inside the barofield. I have to run back out for spineshatter and dragonfire dive. Maybe they do not place me far enough into the field? Not sure, because it looks like I am 2 steps into it

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They don't place you in the Barofield and you don't have to run out.

Don't pay the visuals any mind; they're just graphics. The only hitbox that matters when it comes to players getting hit by AoEs is a dot right underneath your character, at your circle's center (there may be exceptions, but I'm not aware of any). Some animations will even make your guy walk both feet into an AoE but it doesn't change where that dot is; for example this was my group's first win and you can watch me jauntily thrusting my way into the Barofield the entire time it's up without getting hit.

T10 is different... that AoE is bigger than the boss! I wish we didn't tank the cat on that puddle, as it's completely unnecessary :I

haha ya I did T10 on my DRG as well, so I would have to watch my health bar before jumping into that puddle. Good thig was that there was so much AoE damage going on in that fight that it was always easy to get that HP back

it probably works like regular jumps in this game -- Your position isnt updated until you hit the ground. So it's likely that while your character is doing an animation, server wise, you're considered to be positioned where you started from.

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Originally Posted by Edellis

it probably works like regular jumps in this game -- Your position isnt updated until you hit the ground. So it's likely that while your character is doing an animation, server wise, you're considered to be positioned where you started from.

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No in t10 you can be hit by the DoT left on the ground if it ticks while you are jumping over it. Regardless of where your jump starts/ends.

You can be hit by any AoE between your start and destination. You can use good timing on your standard castbar AoE, and you can get lucky with DoT tick zones, but try that with a Twister or something and boom you go.

There is a dragoon in the static I am in and he happily uses jump through out the entire fight. It feels a bit weird watching the links jumping up and down with him.

He only picks up the debuff if he is too slow when the add phase starts or he accidentally steps in to the field. And I can tell you this with confidence since I am one of the people who is doing call outs and making sure everyone is healed and buffed accordingly if they pick up and stacks.

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Originally Posted by firstsin

There is a dragoon in the static I am in and he happily uses jump through out the entire fight. It feels a bit weird watching the links jumping up and down with him.

He only picks up the debuff if he is too slow when the add phase starts or he accidentally steps in to the field. And I can tell you this with confidence since I am one of the people who is doing call outs and making sure everyone is healed and buffed accordingly if they pick up and stacks.

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Yep I am doing the same thing during T11. I was just wondering how the mechanic worked to see if it could be used to cross the boss during nerve gas.

I would have loved if SE messed up and made the jump immediately break the tether/kill the Dragoon, but alas... I'll stick to my super size glitch for now :'(

Talking about a Heavy/Bind debuff, remember EJ removes Heavy/Bind effects - so could you have been debuffed, then immediately shed the debuff?

Also creepy but useful, how, as far as the system is concerned, we really are just a dimensionless point in space, surrounded by a holographic projection of appearance, so if your foot/leg/hip looks like it was in the hitbox, but your little point of true existence was not, you're good to go...

EJ doesn't work on T11 heavy.

Unless I'm mistaken.

it doesn't work on t11 heavy

Yeah I can confirm that. Though EJ is a cool way to escape from Nerve Gas.