Spiritbonding at T4?

I've seen tanks doing this.. is it worth it?

Depends on how much you're spirit-bonding as a tank. It does take a very long time to spirit-bond level 50 gear, how many runs will you have to do of T4 to get 100%? :p
Also, if you are spirit-bonding too much the dreadnaughts could end up killing you too.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Depends on how much you're spirit-bonding as a tank. It does take a very long time to spirit-bond level 50 gear, how many runs will you have to do of T4 to get 100%? :p
Also, if you are spirit-bonding too much the dreadnaughts could end up killing you too.

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I mean the change of those ilvl 70 accessories.. does it give IV materies?

You can get materia IV from ilvl 45 gear. The higher the ilvl, the better the chance to get materia IV.
At ilvl 70 I still get a lot of materia III. It seems a bit better with ilvl 90 but accessories are a pain to synth >_<

Perhaps ilvl 110 is a guaranted materia IV ?

I cannot give the exact numbers at this time but if all you are trying to accomplish is getting IV materia it is a faster in full sets of il45. Of course t4 has the added benefit of tos/p and counts twards the tank mounts.

2-3 T4 runs should SB ilvl70 from 0-100% T3 might actually be faster but that requires pre-made group as nobody really doest that via DF.

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Originally Posted by Synestra

2-3 T4 runs should SB ilvl70 from 0-100% T3 might actually be faster but that requires pre-made group as nobody really doest that via DF.

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If you just use HQ accessories with no other bonuses to spirit bond rate (eg potions, FC buff, materia melds) it takes about 6 runs of T4. I use 1 materia meld and an spiritbond potion and it takes me 5 runs (I get 20% per run). If you fully meld them up, you can probably get them in around 3 runs, but sitting there trying to max meld them is more painful than running an extra 2 times.

I think you also have to take into consideration the cost of peacock ore (or animal fat if you're dps). Is it worth it? Will the chance of getting tier4 materia make up for the cost of mats? How much do you lose for getting tier3 materia?

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I think you also have to take into consideration the cost of peacock ore (or animal fat if you're dps). Is it worth it? Will the chance of getting tier4 materia make up for the cost of mats? How much do you lose for getting tier3 materia?

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If you have somebody who's able to craft the stuff for you at no charge (or are able to do so yourself) it's definitely worth doing. The mats are easy to get and the reward can be quite substantial, even if you're only getting Tier III materia. A Tier IV Crit or Det will go for 500k+ and even a Tier IV VIT is 100k+ on most servers.

Even with poor luck you're going to break even if you farmed most of your mats (unless RNGesus hates you and you get all elemental materia).

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

Even with poor luck you're going to break even if you farmed most of your mats (unless RNGesus hates you and you get all elemental materia).

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Whether mats were farmed or purchased should never be considered in terms of profit. One should always consider that the person simply bought the materials off the market board. If that would be unprofitable, then the craft+SB section was unprofitable even if materials were farmed due to a little thing called opportunity cost, as by turning the materials into materia you lost the potential profit you could have obtained by selling the materials. At that point you're just farming profitable items to pay for your SBing habit.

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Originally Posted by Tyrial

The mats are easy to get

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I'd like to know how you get the peacock ores? I don't like the idea of farming dungeons because it's not a guaranteed drop. And if it drops, you still have to win a roll against 3 other players.
I don't like Ixal either because you're limited to only 6 per day. So if you want to get a complete set, you'll have to wait for it for 9 days at least.
Are you suggesting farming gc seals? If so, how?

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I'd like to know how you get the peacock ores?

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Goldsmith desynthesis, on dungeon gear that's level 70+. Forget the ores, get a whole ingot.

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Originally Posted by Sounders

I think you also have to take into consideration the cost of peacock ore (or animal fat if you're dps). Is it worth it? Will the chance of getting tier4 materia make up for the cost of mats? How much do you lose for getting tier3 materia?

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The way I see it is: You can buy Peacock Ores/Animal Fat/Potash via Marketboard/GC seals. Win gear from T4, and trade them in to GC for seals, or if your desynth is high enough, desynth for Allagan Silk/Leather/Demimaterias, etc. and sell those to fund more materials. Winning Allagan Silk/Leather is already a profit over what you get from buying Peacock Ore, Potash or Animal Fat from the MB.

Personally, my crafters are melded enough to craft i70 HQ gear without any food. In terms of return, I don't think it's that much higher over i45 - i49 gear, over at Urth's Gift. Also consider that if you are farming on DF, then there's that chance of death, which wastes your SB potion.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Goldsmith desynthesis, on dungeon gear that's level 70+. Forget the ores, get a whole ingot.

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Not a bad plan, but can't be done without a GSM desynth.

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Originally Posted by juniglee

The way I see it is: You can buy Peacock Ores/Animal Fat/Potash via Marketboard/GC seals. Win gear from T4, and trade them in to GC for seals, or if your desynth is high enough, desynth for Allagan Silk/Leather/Demimaterias, etc. and sell those to fund more materials. Winning Allagan Silk/Leather is already a profit over what you get from buying Peacock Ore, Potash or Animal Fat from the MB.

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T4 drops are around 1000 seals which is not enough to even buy a piece of peacock ore. And then you also have to roll against other players. It will take you maybe 100 runs of T4 before you can get a complete set.

I don't like the idea of buying materials from marketboard when discussing "easy to get mats". If I spiritbond too much, I can crash the market.

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Originally Posted by Sounders

Not a bad plan, but can't be done without a GSM desynth.

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Then leather desynth, you can make 4 STR accessories (3, but 1 is rings so it counts twice) with hard hippo leather, and it comes fairly common from the wedding boots that go for 6k each from a NPC and also desynth into FCIII demimateria.