Limit breaks.

We're talking about differentiating classes here, so lets do that.

WAR= Party wide Bloodbath, Berserk, and a 25% max hp increase. Warrior gains 10 second pacification after it wears off, nobody else gets the negative berserk effect.
PLD= The current Tank limit break
WHM= The current healer limit break
SCH= Everyone in the party gains a shield equal to their max health
NIN= Slightly lower damage than the current DPS LB, but PACIFIES ANY TARGET INCLUDING BOSSES.
BRD= Fills up the parties tp and mp, makes all of their skills free for the next 5 seconds, Halves all cooldowns.
DRG= Current DPS limit break
MNK= a DoT that ticks continually based on the damage the party inflicts while it is applied.
BLM= Current Magic damage LB
SMN= A big disgusting explosive DoT effect that hurts like mad, and when an enemy dies it explodes again, reapplying the DoT to things around it.


Ideas?

i think changing DRGs LB to a spear based(animation change) is good

I think the PLD LB3 should be invincible for the 12 seconds not 50% dmg decrease... i mean seriously when does a PLD EVER get to use the LB3? Lets play it out... if is not dps, the next to use it in a dire situation (because no one would use the pld lb3 in normal situations) would be the whm to raise anyone who has fallen. After that, and everyone is dead except you, 50% dmg reduction might get you one extra hit from the boss which is crap... i have popped LB3 enough times to say confidently that half of the mobs moves will either completely ignore it or it might grant you 1-2+ hits. Even though 12 seconds is not a long time, and PLDs dps output is nothing to tremble at, it is possible to be the last guy standing and squeak out that last 1% to wrap up what would be a truly epic fight.

Just give the Bard some darned damage in the LB. What the heck is up with a healer LB for a DPS?

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Originally Posted by EricCartmenez

Just give the Bard some darned damage in the LB. What the heck is up with a healer LB for a DPS?

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If you ever been on a dungeon trial run where both healers went splat, you'd appreciate the BRD's having the healer LB then. I've seen it in CT, ST, and several EX Primals...

Here's my take on the OP suggestions:

WAR= Party wide 25% HP increase with a 10% damage increase for 15-20 seconds
PLD= 75% damage reduction for 15-20 seconds and resist Knockback and negative status effects
WHM= The current healer limit break w/ protect and stoneskin II
SCH= Should be based on which ever fairy they have out. If EOS: Same LB now but add a succor to each player. If Selene: Same LB, with Protect and skill/spell speed buff for 30 sec
NIN= A ninjitsu attack (mirage of Ninja surrounding the target and a cylinder shaped explosion erupting with an added blind debuff)
BRD= A multi-hit rain off arrows, Aoe based with a bleed at the end
DRG= I'd like them to get Odin's boss summon from ff7 (Toss Spear in the sky and a huge lance impales the target) Also add more damage to dragon/dragon-like enemies.
MNK= Multi-hitting combo, similar to Zell/Tifa, (Think current Melee LB lvl 2, but a more physical "kicks & punches" version)
BLM= Current Mage damage LB, but needs a small increase in damage buff, (Better yet allow Astral fire damage buff to apply here...)
SMN= the active Egi Turns to the more original design of the primal, not as big, but i think you get the picture, and performs their ultimate or a more compliant version of it

I like the idea of DRG having a spear based LB as well. Something like Odin's zantetsuken that throws multiple charged spears on the ground and they explode and do some great AOE damage.

I get the idea of SMN LB. Its 3 bar LB should summon Zodiac primal and do its enkindle skill (AOE). Why Zodiac? because currently he is the most powerful primal in FF universe or dev can implement multiple LB based on egi's that you summon. Its 3 bar LB do ultimate version of your summon enkindle. Its probably be like this:

1) One LB bar - Pet use its ultimate signature attack like Ifrit fire breath or Garuda slipstream or Titan Rock smash
2) Two LB bar - Pet use its second ultimate signature attack like Ifrit dash or Garuda plum or Titan Jump and smash (I forgot the skill name)
3) Three LB bar - Pet use its ultimate enkindle attack like Ifrit Inferno, Garuda Tornado and Titan Fury but in its true primal form

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1) One LB bar - Summon Zodiac and use its 1st ultimate signature attack (AOE)
2) Two LB bar - Summon Zodiac and use its 2nd ultimate signature attack (AOE)
3) Three LB bar - Summon Zodiac and use its enkindle attack (AOE)

option 2 also can use Bahamut instead of Zordiark

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Originally Posted by Cattastro

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Bahmut, maybe, Zodiark, no. In this game's lore, Zodiark is a god worshiped by the Ascians, essentially the opposite of the light crystal our races worship. It wouldn't make sense for us to summon the enemy primal.

My idea is that all classes of the same role gets the same level 1 and 2 limit break. (This also means bards should also get the same AOE LB that BLM and SMN have at levels 1 and 2) Level 3 LBs should really be specialized more.

Warrior: Blood Rain: I like the bloodbath effect for the whole party, but it's level 3, so it should be 100% of damage done back as healing, +20% damage on party members, and lase 20 seconds. Also, damage done to the boss should cause a stacking weak DOT that falls off fast and causes pulsing healing to all targets who inflict the DOT.

Paladin: Sacred Ground: 15 second Hallowed Ground on all party members with a HOT based on % of HP pool 5% every 3 seconds.

White Mage: Ultima's Blessing: AOE Full Raise+Full Heal, No raise sickness, Protect+Shell, Esuna MAX (Remove all debuffs from party that can be removed with Esuna), and Apply Regen to all party members.

Scholar: Oberon's Plight: AOE Full Raise+Full Heal, No raise sickness Leeches Max (Same as Esuna Max), Succor=healing done by the skill (If raised, equal to full HP pool).

Summoner: Grand Summon: Call upon the source of your current Primal-egi to wreck destruction on enemies... Call either Titan, Garuda, or Ifrit (The trial fight versions) to the field, and they do the weakened forms of Earthen Fury, Aerial Blast, and Inferno to all enemies in a 20y Radius augmented by the party's collective Magic Damage and Intelligence.

Black Mage: Meteor: Pretty much the current Level 3 AOE LB.

Bard: Volley: Channeled LB (Since all the LBs seem to make you stand in place anyways) where you drop thousands of arrows on the target location. Enemies are damaged heavily each tick (1 second ticks and damage based on current alive party members dexterity), allies recover 10% of MP, HP, and TP each tick (1 second tick). Lasts 5 seconds.

Monk: Enter the Dragon: Disappear and transform into an (Eastern) earth dragon, diving through the enemy and into the earth, doing massive damage twice to one target, first when diving through, then again when the earth under the enemy blows up underneath them, reappearing as your character.

Dragoon: Sky Dive: Jump into the air, and bring down the Dragon's Spear (a spear made from the spine and skull of a dead dragon), causing massive damage.

Ninja: Omni Slash: Vanish and attack from the shadows, inflicting increasing damage with each strike (+100% potency per strike for 7 attacks Base potency of 100 with a factor based on party strength) 1st attack happens when the button is pressed, and another attack every .5 seconds for 3 seconds.

Personally, I think that the dragoon's LB3 should do something spear related, maybe a super-jump or something. And leave Final Heaven for Monk.

Because, lets be honest here, seeing a Monk chain a bunch of skills and then finish the combo with Final Heaven is one of the coolest things ever, next to using Meteor as a Black Mage. Which is, by the way, seriously amazing.

The devs have made it abundantly clear that they will not give jobs unique limit break effects. If they did you would have a situation where specific jobs are taken just for their limit break in certain fights. They have said that 3.0 will feature unique animations for each job, however. So a SMN and a BLM will have a mechanically identical LB but the SMN one will likely summon something to do the AOE damage instead of dropping a meteor.

One exception I see is BRD though. With the introduction of machinist we should see a proper ranged physical LB introduced which bards could potentially share. I don't really see machinist getting thrown into the healing AOE LB pool and they can't use any of the others that we currently have as they aren't tanks, melee or magic based.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

The devs have made it abundantly clear that they will not give jobs unique limit break effects. If they did you would have a situation where specific jobs are taken just for their limit break in certain fights. They have said that 3.0 will feature unique animations for each job, however. So a SMN and a BLM will have a mechanically identical LB but the SMN one will likely summon something to do the AOE damage instead of dropping a meteor.

One exception I see is BRD though. With the introduction of machinist we should see a proper ranged physical LB introduced which bards could potentially share. I don't really see machinist getting thrown into the healing AOE LB pool and they can't use any of the others that we currently have as they aren't tanks, melee or magic based.

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Actually... last I read they were not going to give each job unique LB for EACH level... They did mention something about changing level 3 LB for uniqueness... But they were starting with BRD and DRG first.

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SMN= the active Egi Turns to the more original design of the primal, not as big, but i think you get the picture, and performs their ultimate or a more compliant version of it

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I was just mentioning this idea to my wife, I was thinking when the Summoner/Scholar Limit Breaks, whatever Egi/Faerie they have out has an Attack Mode and Temporary "Flash/Old School Summons" Appearance of their Primal, and then the attack is based on that Primals' Notorious Attack Form. It is also possible that there are up to 3 attack forms per egi, if it isn't too much trouble, when you think about it, Normal, Hard, and Extreme Mode Titan for instance.

Also thinking if you have Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva as future Summons, this might work well. Many, many people while recognizing the importance of the Egi Storyline, still want Big Summons once in a while doing awesome attacks.

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Originally Posted by Zedd702

Actually... last I read they were not going to give each job unique LB for EACH level... They did mention something about changing level 3 LB for uniqueness... But they were starting with BRD and DRG first.

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I thought it was visuals only. I could be wrong though.

There is visuals are getting put to unique on LB3 that are being worked on but also bards are losing the heal LB(*cries in the corner for the lovely heal lb*). And dragoons are apparently getting a fully new LB? This was kinda weirdly put.

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Originally Posted by shintashi

I was just mentioning this idea to my wife, I was thinking when the Summoner/Scholar Limit Breaks, whatever Egi/Faerie they have out has an Attack Mode and Temporary "Flash/Old School Summons" Appearance of their Primal, and then the attack is based on that Primals' Notorious Attack Form. It is also possible that there are up to 3 attack forms per egi, if it isn't too much trouble, when you think about it, Normal, Hard, and Extreme Mode Titan for instance.

Also thinking if you have Ramuh, Leviathan, and Shiva as future Summons, this might work well. Many, many people while recognizing the importance of the Egi Storyline, still want Big Summons once in a while doing awesome attacks.

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Yes sir! I'd be more than happy with that if they don't rework the appearance of the Egi's altogether...

But ofc it kinda would be too op if a tank lb makes everyone invincible for xx amount of time.
It would be too game breaking unless there are exceptions to special/ signature attacks of bosses.
(I.e hellfire etc, any failed wipe mechanic move)
Cuz itd just be, damage boss, uh oh he is gonna do his ultimate move-> use tank lb -> burn boss.
Where r the mechanics?
Doesn't matter cuz tank lb thats what.

personal LB would be awesome. I would like abilities I don't spam.

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Originally Posted by Zedd702

Yes sir! I'd be more than happy with that if they don't rework the appearance of the Egi's altogether...

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Thinking further on the 3 phase limit break, you might have New Primal Egis, like Leviathan or Ramuh or even Odin, Diablos, and Bahamut (Wishful thinking) that don't "unlock" (by highlighting glowy style like Fire 3 does when you spam fire 1) UNLESS you are at 2 bars or even 3 bars loaded. The lower end Summons like Carbuncle, Titan, Garuda, and Ifrit could be summoned at 1-3 bars, but you might stick Levi and Ramuh at 2 bars minimum, and Shiva or Higher at 3 bars minimum.

Thinking on Personal Limit Breaks, you might be able to have your own Bar instead of/in addition to a Group Bar, but using it should Wipe out Your MP or TP, respectively to whatever Class/Limit Break You have. So it not only builds up like the regular lb bar, but it also follows the Flare Rules, But Also demands the "Max MP/TP" to activate, to keep balance.

Even if they just change the visual effect, I still think that dragoon's should have Dragoon's Pride, Kain's EX Burst from dissidia duodecim. I absolutely loved that animation...

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Originally Posted by ruskie

There is visuals are getting put to unique on LB3 that are being worked on but also bards are losing the heal LB(*cries in the corner for the lovely heal lb*). And dragoons are apparently getting a fully new LB? This was kinda weirdly put.

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You've never gotten stuck in a group with two bards, have you?

Even if it's just new visuals I hope they allow us to be able to pick different levels of LB at will. Would be nice having a full LB 3 bar and having the option of using LB 2 and LB 1 if we wanted.

I don't care if each job gets its own LB. I just want an LB system that actually presents interesting choices.

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Originally Posted by Ramien

You've never gotten stuck in a group with two bards, have you?

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Yes I have and still what's your point again? Unless they are unable to do their job right - which in the end is a bad player not a lack of LB it has no bearing on how fast things die 90% of the time.

I agree with Asny bard heal LB is amazing especially if you think of the heal LB 3 heavy shiva fight. The time i loose as a healer during the stupid endless animation makes the party (or atleast tank) die again before i can cast any spell if the other healer isnt good (sadly nowadays healers can dps but rarely heal) so if bard is up which is pretty common due to mobility and defence combination bard can save my day ^^

Like the idea of SMN Lb as it is pretty odd to have a book user pull out a staff for LB >.< and SMN is DOT DOT DOT <3

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Originally Posted by ruskie

Yes I have and still what's your point again? Unless they are unable to do their job right - which in the end is a bad player not a lack of LB it has no bearing on how fast things die 90% of the time.

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This is correct. All fights in this game were designed in such a way that they are doable without the use of any Limit Break.

If a party absolutely needs a DPS limit break to kill something, they have bad DPS.
If a party absolutely needs a DPS limit break to make a run go 5 seconds faster, they are lazy.
If a party WANTS a DPS limit break for the sole reason of convenience, but can easily do without, then that's the only legitimate use of it.

So far I prefer to use a LB over trying to burn at T5 snakes (and if u melee lb Asclepius), T8 (annoys me) and T9 Heavensfall (3rd is a pain XD). But as mentioned there is in the fights i know no NEED for LB. And the 2 bard issue if dungeons only so if you NEED LB there something is wrong ^^

Having a DPS with a "we're all gonna die!" oh crap button is really helpful as if the healer gets major agro or ganked by an agro free attack that BRD healing might just be what is needed to finish the fight... Summoners can try to fill in if necessary, but physick really isn't the most effective all on its lonesome..

Red mage/Time mage LB should be a 30sec STOP spell for everything in sight except for the caster of the LB and someone else.

If it's a healer, he/she can Rez and put the whole party back on their feet in 30sec.
If it's a DPS, he/she can deal a LOT of damage in 30sec.

All this if RDM/TMM aren´t capable to Rez. If they are, the second person on the stop is unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by SakiKojiro

We're talking about differentiating classes here, so lets do that.
MNK= a DoT that ticks continually based on the damage the party inflicts while it is applied.

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OP, but why do you want Monk to have a DoT? That's not really how Monks play. I think it'd be a better fit in terms of fitting the job's playstyle, as Zedd702 said, to give a LB that deals a combo of attacks that each hit for a smaller potency.

The Limit Breaks should stay as they are, but change the name and animation to fit the class that uses it. A Monk, Ninja and Dragoon all using a Buster Sword is quite odd to me.

Dunno about the other LBs, but despite how much i hated it pre-50, Bard's Limit Break is exactly where it needs to be. It's the best feeling in the freaking world.