Bloodletter "nerf"

have you guys noticed ever since the most recent patch that Bloodletter has been much more unreliable to land on Great Buffalo and Uraeus?

Something our archers noticed just wanted to see if anyone else noticed something similar.

I rarely ever get the effect to go off on NM's. Maybe Dedore but i'm using a more powerful WS.

I simply don't use it that much on NMs, only every now and then. Depends on what NMs I am fighting and if I need to Incap the mob. Mossy horn and Dodore I stick with Wide Volley for the most part fully buffed and in BR WV2 hits the main mob inbetween 900 up to around 1400 and the other mobs take about 300-600 damage. On single NMs and depending on party set up I use Shrieker, Concussive Blow 2, Bloodletter, Foeseeker, Barrage, or one of the other many abilities I have on my bar.

But who knows about the nerf, I hardly see my WS abilities proc on NM anyways, just because they are higher level and more resistant to such things assuming there are resist rolls by the mob.

Same as the other players, I use bloodletter very sparingly against NM's. Though on farming mobs I have seen the proc rate go up.

yay BushidoBrown!

we used to use bloodletter very often on most of the NMs, and they would stick pretty reliably on Buffalo and Uraeus. Now they stick maybe a max of 2-3 times a fight. But good to know on that wide volley!

btw which buffs did you use to get that damage Dargoth?

Are you kidding? I can hit nearly EVERY time with Bloodletter on Great Buffalo. Maybe it's just that I have a higher accuracy and I don't use crap arrows like some. But Bloodletter's 200-some damage upfront with the 500 damage dealt after the buff wears off is really nice.

From my experience, the reliability of landing an effect of ANY weapon skill now on NM's seems to be based on damage of the weapon skill itself. I've had a lot more success with the Bloodletter effect being landed on Uraeus when I stack it with Raging Strike II.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Are you kidding? I can hit nearly EVERY time with Bloodletter on Great Buffalo. Maybe it's just that I have a higher accuracy and I don't use crap arrows like some. But Bloodletter's 200-some damage upfront with the 500 damage dealt after the buff wears off is really nice.

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Our archer's invest in good arrows (as far as i'm told, i'm not an archer so I can't really comment on that), but thats why I made the thread since we noticed a drastic difference ever since the recent patch. Bloodletter is still really easy to land on Dodore, Mosshorn, Goblin, etc but we're noticing a difference on higher defense mobs. I don't think they're having any trouble hitting with bloodletter its landing the 500 damage debuff.

And I meant the debuff as well. Nearly every time I hit with Bloodletter, the debuff lands if it isn't already on

Yea well thats what I mean, I think something changed in the last patch since they were able to land it extremely often and now maybe 2-3 times a fight. I'm wondering if its a formula thing or maybe a damage thing like Isaaru was saying

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Originally Posted by Grendel

Yea well thats what I mean, I think something changed in the last patch since they were able to land it extremely often and now maybe 2-3 times a fight. I'm wondering if its a formula thing or maybe a damage thing like Isaaru was saying

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Not that i've noticed. Thats the point. I JUST fought the Great Buffalo and every hit inflicted the debuff.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

And I meant the debuff as well. Nearly every time I hit with Bloodletter, the debuff lands if it isn't already on

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I find this kind of confusing TBH.

I'm not trying to be a dick but we just (a few hours ago) watched your LS kill Mosshorn and you went 8-10 Bloodletters without sticking the DoT. Typically Mosshorn is MUCH easier for us land the DoT on than Great Buffalo. So I'm confused as to how our results seem reversed I guess.

I just think he's lying to be honest. If you are are please refrain from making things up, it's a waste of our time. That being said I feel my theory is pretty valid on the damage being the determinant of the success rate of landing the debuff. I will try and do more testing with screenshots.

I guarantee some of my LS mates are looking here and can back me up on that fight. I know that it sticks nearly every time of the buffalo but i cant say for certain on the mosshorn but it seemed like it was every other. The mosshorn is the only one I have issues with. I have no idea what you saw to be honest really. And why would I be making this up? Not like it does anything productive.

I've seen the debuff pop up several times in all of the NM's, and then the eventual "Bloodletter has inflicted 500 damage to the 'Insert NM name here'."

It almost ALWAYS lands.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

I guarantee some of my LS mates are looking here and can back me up on that fight. I know that it sticks nearly every time of the buffalo but i cant say for certain on the mosshorn but it seemed like it was every other. The mosshorn is the only one I have issues with. I have no idea what you saw to be honest really. And why would I be making this up? Not like it does anything productive.

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Indeed! the Buffalo is cake and it does stick on nearly every hit

I have to agree with the people that say bloodletter is easy to stick on buffalo. On other NMs not so much, Uraeus almost seems immune to the debuff or I'm just not paying that much attention.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

And why would I be making this up? Not like it does anything productive.

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That was my point, sometimes people make things up on forums and it annoys me, sorry for any offense.

I have to agree with the people that say bloodletter is easy to stick on buffalo. On other NMs not so much, Uraeus almost seems immune to the debuff or I'm just not paying that much attention.

Thats so weird that we're getting opposite results. Our archers say that they have a much easier time landing bloodletter on Uraeus than GB. We're finding it easy to land bloodletter on everything but Buffalo. I wonder why we're getting such drastically different results. Is there anything you guys do in specific to land bloodletter? Anything stat-wise? Maybe food or a specific type of arrow?

Bloodletter just tends to be picky. Even on normal monsters it does not like to stick sometimes. It does like to stick when I put out big numbers with it, but it's probably coincidence. I haven't had too many problems landing Bloodletter on Uraeus when I get the extra TP to spend (I'm probably getting lucky,) haven't been able to fight Dodore lately so I can't say anything about him. Haven't fought Buffalo yet since the LS I do NMs with likes to do them on days where I cant attend.

I also invest in red coral arrows, blue coral if reds are unavailable for NMs.

I think its pretty easy to land on Dodore

I use Coral Arrows with a Crab bow and full Buc gear. 140 base Dex and 70 Piety. I've heard that influences how often the debuff lands and how long they stick so I put some points in it

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Originally Posted by Grendel

I have to agree with the people that say bloodletter is easy to stick on buffalo. On other NMs not so much, Uraeus almost seems immune to the debuff or I'm just not paying that much attention.

Thats so weird that we're getting opposite results. Our archers say that they have a much easier time landing bloodletter on Uraeus than GB. We're finding it easy to land bloodletter on everything but Buffalo. I wonder why we're getting such drastically different results. Is there anything you guys do in specific to land bloodletter? Anything stat-wise? Maybe food or a specific type of arrow?

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I usually eat meat kabobs for Nms, only use blue coral arrows and only use bloodletter during a BR.
Once the horn incaps I switch over to barrage for BRs since we have 3-4 archers on most runs.

Maybe there is a minimum amount of upfront dmg required to stick the debuff on? On Uraeus bloodletter is usually 5-600ish and 6-700ish on buffalo

Im pretty sure buffalo is earth affinity so its weak to water so blue coral is best, and blue coral seems to do better than red coral on Uraeus, Dodore, and Mosshorn as well.

Last time we killed GB, I moved some points from VIT to DEX and noticed Bloodletter debuff stuck more often. Maybe there is a modifier we're not aware of?

Before patch I land it on Ura with 80% success, after patch it's probably 10-20%. Crab bow +2, Red coral arrow and 150+ STR/DEX (since respeced for mage) and it's always with some combination of raging strikde 2, ferocity2, cadence, blindside. So it is very noticeable. But I guess it is a well deserved nerf, since Archer damage on NM was just insane compared to other DoW jobs before the patch.

it hasn't changed

Also, Bloodletter can be used to break buffalo horns without it being on the ground. Just make sure you are on the correct side of the mob to hit the right horn.

I've had no issues landing Bloodletter or its status effect on GLA, LNC, ARC, and THM.

DEX will not affect how your debuffs stick, that is up to PTY.

My understanding is Piety helps with the proc landing.

I seem to keep it up on the NM's.

Bloodletter for life. I use it on every job. Since i got it, it has been #4 and will stay there.