Fc raids

Hello everyone :)

I was wondering if you guys think that they will ever add raids that a whole fc takes part in at once scaled in dificulty depending on the amount of members in the fc entering as not all fc have 500 members.

If not is this somthing the community would like to see added at some point?

Any suggestions you guys have about this would be cool if you agree or disagree :)

PS3 limitations.

Aside from that, massive raids like that wouldn't be anything other than leeroy and spam whatever moves you have. There'd be no strategy involved other AOE dancing. The other issue is making content exclusive for FCs. A FC already has access to chocobo dying, training, and gardening. To make raids just for FCs would be a major slap in the face towards everyone else that didn't join a FC.

I think they will eventually implement something like this, I don't think it will be very fancy, or glamourous, but I don't see why a 24 man raid is not possible. It may be a huge grind though, to get the raid going otherwise it would be too easy (possibly).

When they do release it, it will be a glorious thing, and I don't think it will be limited to FC, but still if you have 24 people it would be a blast to do :)

-Tari

They could even have a fc tomes system based just on fc raids which allows the fc to purchase things like inc furniture space extensions to a fc house
things like that, that way the whole fc has a common goal to work towards rather than it just being for gear.

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Originally Posted by geordie

Hello everyone :)

I was wondering if you guys think that they will ever add raids that a whole fc takes part in at once scaled in dificulty depending on the amount of members in the fc entering as not all fc have 500 members.

If not is this somthing the community would like to see added at some point?

Any suggestions you guys have about this would be cool if you agree or disagree :)

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So basically, you want S Rank Hunts, in a Raid?

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Originally Posted by Sylve

So basically, you want S Rank Hunts, in a Raid?

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well no not really i was thinking more of a dungeon type raid where only fc's can enter with a tome type reward that only buys fc stuff such as improvements to fc housing things like that and preferably not just a zergfest somthing that actually needs some thought as to mechanics in the raid like the yeti boss in snowcloak type of thing not just run in and smash everything :)

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Originally Posted by geordie

well no not really i was thinking more of a dungeon type raid where only fc's can enter with a tome type reward that only buys fc stuff such as improvements to fc housing things like that and preferably not just a zergfest somthing that actually needs some thought as to mechanics in the raid like the yeti boss in snowcloak type of thing not just run in and smash everything :)

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Well, the scaling difficulty comes from S Rank Hunts.


What you want, IMO, sounds a lot like the overworld Primal Summoning system that got bandied about a while back.

I don't disagree with the desire for content designed for Free Companies, But such content is going to be incredibly difficult to make feel good.
It's difficult to create unique mechanics that scale both up AND down whiel also maintaining difficulty (A 4man FC would get the same challenge out of the fight as a 500 man FC). There would also be plateaus where it makes the fight easier than intended to have a specific, odd number of players involved. WoW's Flex Raids have that problem.
There is also the problem of structure.
By that i mean mechanics that are designed to stress a certain number of a given role. Tank swap mechanics as an example, or EX Ifrits/Levi Healer targeted effects. The mechanics involved in such a scaled raid would need to either be generic enough that it matters not how many of any role you have, or specific enough that forces you to have (for example) 2 Tanks in the raid per 6 other players. There would also need to be mechanics that stop you from just stacking your entire raid with roles that make the fight easier than it should be.

That would take a LOT of effort to not only come up with, but keep varied enough that it doesn't feel the same as previously released raids of the same variety (Assuming they released more than one of this kind of raid).

I would much rather they instead created a kind of randomized raid. One in which the boss is randomly generated and assigned a random set of abilities from any raid encounter.
But not only randomly generated, randomly generated every time the fight resets after a wipe.

I don't think there would ever be instanced content of scaled difficulty. The overworld Primal Summons sounds like the way to go for what you want.

I assume overworld means stuff in the open world in general like hunts and fates and whatnot if so then wouldnt the overworld primal summons be like hunts where anyone can just attack them?

I was thinking more inside dungeons type of raids where say the fc leader enters then only people from the same free company can enter also.

And the idea of randomized raids sounds cool this could go hand in hand with fc raids so every time a fc enters they have no idea what to expect in each raid keeps each one sort new.

There's a lot of ways they could go with something like this:

They could stick with the 4/8/24 person limits
They could give the existing FC points or chocobo foods as rewards
They could give unsellable furniture as rewards
They could incorporate DoH and DoL

Coil is already a raid that is done primarily in FC, it would have to be something that you can do for fun that doesn't require top level gear.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

There's a lot of ways they could go with something like this:

They could stick with the 4/8/24 person limits
They could give the existing FC points or chocobo foods as rewards
They could give unsellable furniture as rewards
They could incorporate DoH and DoL

Coil is already a raid that is done primarily in FC, it would have to be something that you can do for fun that doesn't require top level gear.

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i like these ideas but i think the 4/8/24 restriction shouldnt be there though, i was thinking more of any number of members can enter as long as they are in the same fc.

As for the doh/dol i really enjoy crafting and would love that kind of thing added but i dont know how they would implement somthing like that.

I suppose they could make certain monsters drop items that craft into a ki needed to progress through the dungeon or have gathering nodes in there that then craft into a ki.

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Originally Posted by geordie

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I'm thinking it would work more like Leves. Or Treasure Maps, in that the system prevents people outside of your own group from engaging it.

Personally, It'd be way more interesting, from an MMO perspective, to be able to see (for example) a massive Free Company form up in Southern Thanalan, summon Ifrit, get locked in with a flame wall and then watch them battle it out against him.
Likewise, imagine if the first thing you saw coming out of Limsa was 50 people from the same Free Company engaged in battle on the shores with Leviathan.

Dunno about you, but that'd look pretty epic.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I'm thinking it would work more like Leves. Or Treasure Maps, in that the system prevents people outside of your own group from engaging it.

Personally, It'd be way more interesting, from an MMO perspective, to be able to see (for example) a massive Free Company form up in Southern Thanalan, summon Ifrit, get locked in with a flame wall and then watch them battle it out against him.
Likewise, imagine if the first thing you saw coming out of Limsa was 50 people from the same Free Company engaged in battle on the shores with Leviathan.

Dunno about you, but that'd look pretty epic.

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This kind of thing does sound cool and would also be nice for a fc activity along with the raids :)

My reason for making this thread is i am currently reading a series of books called the sanctuary series and they go on 1000 man raids and stuff as a guild so i just wondered if somthing like that could be or would be added to ffxiv :)

To add in DoH/DoL, they could have bosses guarding gathering points, which would be shared by the FC along with the items gathered from them. Items to gather could be level 1 up to 2/3 star, and could be turned in for some whatevers or used to craft items of various levels to unlock new areas, spawn bosses, or turn in for other whatevers.

Me and my guild members would love to see SE add some guild related content that is worth doing that is a not for vanity... already negated gear.

Would actually add a reason to be in a guild. Currently the only things a guild are is a social chat channel, vanity items, and minor buffs which are honestly not even needed.

I greatly disagree with SE's stance on guilds. There should be top tier content that require people to be in them. Guilds are what endgame has been about in mmos for over a decade, they are one of the biggest reasons people play mmos at endgame and do not toss aside the game like offline games. SE stance on guilds are 100% optional and only for social aspects is a really wrong approach to mmo design.

Spawn NMS - Either through Free Company Leves/map style content. 12-24 man raid content (can take any number of people in between 12-24 none of this you need exactly X to enter non-sense) that is not a joke (Aka Coil difficulty 24 raids, designed for guilds to do that drops gear equivalent to BIS gear in coil).

Adding just a few content designed with the guild in mind that are targeted for top tier endgame would do more to keep ppl playing this game at endgame then adding 5 new jobs, 1000 quest and 50 more 4 man dungeons.

As it stands now there is no reason at all to be in a guild for endgame. You can do everything in a small static or in a pug.

Found this while screwing off at work, looks like they have FC exclusive content coming in 2.5 (or later) with the FC airships.

http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/1...hip-patch-2-5/

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Found this while screwing off at work, looks like they have FC exclusive content coming in 2.5 (or later) with the FC airships.

http://www.gamerheadlines.com/2014/1...hip-patch-2-5/

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Stuff like this is what free companies should be about working together as a whole to complete a common goal. With this its good for crafting and gathering but it would still be nice to have somthing similar with raids for dow/dom :)

There's stuff for DoW/DoM in there, they were just vague about what it is. If it's popular enough, I'm sure they'll expand on it.

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You have different content available, like different battles and certain materials that you can only gather and certain areas you can only access by the airship.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

There's stuff for DoW/DoM in there, they were just vague about what it is. If it's popular enough, I'm sure they'll expand on it.

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Cool i am really looking forward to this now having all the classes inc doh/dol working together :)

In my personal opinion, I would love to see raids contents for FCs but after one year of ARR it seems that Yoshida and DEVs doesn't want to see the small communities of raiders creating strong and big FCs of the said people (for a reason I don't get to be honest).
And that's not like people didn't asked over the last months for the removal of lockouts in coil or at least a personal item lockout in order to build communities of raiders...

But. Nope.
We are still bound to play with (the same) 8 players for raid contents and there is no way to extend or adapt to different situations that players have to face everyday ingame like seeing your static disband after months together (because player A or B quit the game, found a job, changed job, irl stuffs etc).

Furthermore there is no point to have a dedicated FC for Raid contents right now because of the above reasons. Except if you are looking for a "famous" FC name tagged to your character and a glorified chat room stuffed of people that you will never ever raid with :p.
2.45 was also another nail in this sad coffin, no one use it because of the heavy punishment with loots...

The next question is, will it change for 3.0? or Alexander is going to be Coil with a different name, designed to recluse the same 8 players for months.

I'd much rather continue to progress with a small group of friends than get forced into some bloated FC in order to access raid content. This is not to say i wouldn't love to see a LoTA or ST Hard mode that would require collaboration between multiple raid groups. I think that would be amazing, and very welcome. I also think that adding some side-content exclusively for FC's is one thing, and is fine (like the primals/airships), but i definitely agree w/ the dev's decision to keep FC's purely optional for all real endgame content. If a self-proclaimed raid FC isn't already prioritizing getting you in a group and/or building their reputation to attract more raiders on their server, then re-evaluate your priorities if your in-game needs aren't being met.

I think they should stick to the 8 (or 24) member standard, but make you only able to go in with your active FC. That'd be pretty cool imo. And nothings stopping those that "don't have an FC" from making/joining one to do this content, so the "left out" complaint isn't really valid in this case

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Originally Posted by Ilitsa

I think they should stick to the 8 (or 24) member standard, but make you only able to go in with your active FC. That'd be pretty cool imo. And nothings stopping those that "don't have an FC" from making/joining one to do this content, so the "left out" complaint isn't really valid in this case

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well reason i think it would be better to have it where it doesn't matter how many members is because what if you only have 12 members or 17? this way at least everyone can go to one event if the raid scaled in dificulty depending on how many entered:)

I feel SE should do it like this.

You can go to the dungeon/raid location in a premade party/alliance and enter with how ever many you have 2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-and so on up to the designed cap for ppl. But the content does not scale with the number who enters. If you are geared enough or skilled enough you can do content designed for more with less.

IF you use the duty finder it is mandated you go in with correct setup/size due to the fact it will be with random ppl with varied Ilvls and experience.

The issue is if you have hard locks on number of people what happens when you do not have an exact multiple of 8 ppl online? More time then not it ends up with people being left out which is one of the biggest problems in guilds at endgame currently.