To Ivalice fans...SPOILER ALERT

As a fan of Ivalice world i got big hope that FFXIV will be set in Ivalice but as all know that not happen,hovewer,after looking at some question and answer given by the producers and watching ending cinematic i start to think about future connection between those two worlds like in wow Azeroth and Draenor.

First the question i find, scroll down at the question from 1:57:29
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...804-09-2014%29

Most important is what Yoshida say:
Yoshida: We’ll be revealing more as we move forward.
What he meant?


Second, the ending and the ZODIARK mentioned by the Ascians.....Zodiark only appear in FFXII, FFT and FFTA2, yes all those games take place in Ivalice.

What you guys think about this, is there hope for some kind of "Dark Portal" between those two worlds?? :D

Isn't Eorzea just the name of the continent we are on? Ivalice could be a continent out there somewhere.

The development team have stated in the past that Hydaelyn has no direct connection with any other FF world - yes, there are references to things in past FF games, but they're just references for fanservice and are not 'proof' that Hyaedlyn is Ivalice/Coccoon/Vana'diel/The Planet/<insert other random FF world here>. That link you mentioned is best taken in context with a much earlier Q@A reply Bayohne posted (the link for which has sadly disappeared, which was formerly found here, but I saved it for posterity):

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Q55: There are a lot of names from Ivalice such as Dalmasca, Belias, and Zodiak that have been mentioned, is there some connection between Hydaelyn and Ivalice?

A55: To be absolutely clear, there is no connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice. Likewise there is no connection with FFXI’s Vana’diel. Each are their own individual world. Based on this, there are connections between the things that appear in the world, and we’ll be revealing more in the future.

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So, when you read that with this latest video comment from Yoshi, all that means is that as far as the game's story is concerned, it's just a reference to a past FF game and that the Zodiark here has no connection to the Ivalice games. It's just a name (like each Cid being a unique character in every FF title).

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Isn't Eorzea just the name of the continent we are on? Ivalice could be a continent out there somewhere.

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Eorzea is the name of a region. The name of the continent is Aldenard, I believe.

The names of the Ascians can also be considered a nod to Ivalice. I shall not name them though here as it would be a spoiler. Especially considering who they worship.

You know: Lightning Returns Event... no, no connection at all :)
Or lets say, if there is no dimensional rift somewhere!

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

You know: Lightning Returns Event... no, no connection at all :)
Or lets say, if there is no dimensional rift somewhere!

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a fucked up justification that would not really be feasible with FFxii though. Noone in Ivalice that I know of has the the power to travel through dimensions or through the void.

Lightning got somehow this power, shantotto (or whatever the spelling is) invented dimensional travel, and Gilgamesh was sent into the void in his own game.

The only total BS direct reference I can think of is Ultros, who doesn't have any reason to come here. Yeah they can justify it by "it's an other Ultros in an other world with the exact same design and exact same friend Chuppon" but well...


side note : The fight and Hildibrand story behind Ultros is really fun and cool. It's just that his presence here doesn't make any sense

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Eorzea is the name of a region. The name of the continent is Aldenard, I believe.

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refer to this below

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Sometimes mistakenly referred to as a "continent", Eorzea is more properly a realm, comprised of Aldenard, the westernmost of the Three Great Continents, and its surrounding islands, including most notably, Vylbrand.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

Lightning got somehow this power

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Lightning is sent places with no knowledge of how she got there. atleast the event for FFXIV was that way. not sure what control she gains if any to this power in XIII

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

The only total BS direct reference I can think of is Ultros, who doesn't have any reason to come here. Yeah they can justify it by "it's an other Ultros in an other world with the exact same design and exact same friend Chuppon" but well...

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You mean like how Odin is in the game with the exact same horse Sleipnir and the exact same sword Zantetsuken? :p

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

You mean like how Odin is in the game with the exact same horse Sleipnir and the exact same sword Zantetsuken? :p

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iconic summon, stuff like that ^^ Odin is a primal here, not a random guy wandering around.

But yeah, would be the same thing if odin wasn't a summon.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

iconic summon, stuff like that ^^ Odin is a primal here, not a random guy wandering around.

But yeah, would be the same thing if odin wasn't a summon.

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i guess what I mean is that characters like Odin get a pass when they're almost identical in every Final Fantasy (but with different lore explanations as to why they exist), why doesn't Ultros? Because he isn't a primal?

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

i guess what I mean is that characters like Odin get a pass when they're almost identical in every Final Fantasy (but with different lore explanations as to why they exist), why doesn't Ultros? Because he isn't a primal?

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well, sort of.

Primals in FFxiv are (except the incomming Ravanah) primals or summons in other FFs. Thus even though they may be straight ripped of their original games, they still fit it pretty well as they still remain summons.

However, Ultros is just a comical character. Recurring boss in his own game, he made a few appearances in other games but mostly only in name (FFX and FFXII come in mind. He's also in FF1's remake on GBA in an optional dungeon featuring bosses from the other games and a DLC in FFXIII-2 iirc). But he isn't a summon, thus he should have no reason to be as he is in FFVI in FFXIV.

Not that I mind he did, but there was no solid reason for it.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

well, sort of.

Primals in FFxiv are (except the incomming Ravanah) primals or summons in other FFs. Thus even though they may be straight ripped of their original games, they still fit it pretty well as they still remain summons.

However, Ultros is just a comical character. Recurring boss in his own game, he made a few appearances in other games but mostly only in name (FFX and FFXII come in mind. He's also in FF1's remake on GBA in an optional dungeon featuring bosses from the other games and a DLC in FFXIII-2 iirc). But he isn't a summon, thus he should have no reason to be as he is in FFVI in FFXIV.

Not that I mind he did, but there was no solid reason for it.

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Ultros is not the only thing... Bosses like "Demon Wall", "Amon", "Cloud of Darkness", the upcoming Bismarck (which wasnt a "primal"/summon in any FF) etc. are just references to Final Fantasy titles.. and non boss elements also like Gold Saucer which is a reference to FF7.

They try to make a whole Final Fantasy theme park full of references in Final Fantasy 14 Online. FF14 Online being the "ultimative" FF experience.


Some gameplay mechanics or user interface ideas are also taken from FF12 btw ;)

like these blue and red "target" lines:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...I_JAP_FF12.jpg
and the blue dots at the end of each zone:
http://www.skyrender.net/lp/ff12/1-1/65.jpg

as there have been plenty suggestions from players of 1.0. version how to improve the game and make it more feel like a Final Fantasy. Gold Saucer being just one of it.

So what we get now in ARR you have to thank many players of 1.0. for their suggestions as well ;)

Um talking from Odin... Coil explained Bahamuth, but did not explain something about Odin... any news when this story continues?

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

Um talking from Odin... Coil explained Bahamuth, but did not explain something about Odin... any news when this story continues?

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Odin is being added as a new trial in 2.5 (the same one from Fan Fest) so we'll presumably get some answers then.

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Originally Posted by Yukiko

You know: Lightning Returns Event... no, no connection at all :)
Or lets say, if there is no dimensional rift somewhere!

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Sure, she didn't travel herself. I think it was Bhunivelze who send her to Eorzea as a test. He is a god after all

To OP, "A: Maehiro: To be absolutely clear, there is no direct connection between FFXIV’s Hydaelyn and FFXII’s Ivalice or even FFXI’s Vana’diel. They are not the same world in different dimensions or time—they are their own separate worlds. However, there are certain connections to people or objects that appear in these other worlds that figure into the story of FFXIV as it has been conceived and is being told."

The fact is a lot of the dev that work on FFXIV also worked on FFXI and FFXII. Hate to burst your bubble but that's the real answer to your question. That doesn't mean creature or elements from those game won't creep into Eorzea but you won't be able to go to Ivalice or Vana'diel.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

the upcoming Bismarck (which wasnt a "primal"/summon in any FF)

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it is :p (in FF6, it replaces Leviathan as the water esper. I had to check it back as when reading you, I feared I had been confused with Golden Sun)

Ravahna is the only one which never appeared in the FF series (it's a regular enemy in vagrant story but that's all)

Point taken on the other stuff :D

Ivalice is a planet, not a continent.

Hydaelyn is a planet, Eorzea is a continent.

Any Ivalice references is no different than other Final Fantasy references. Ivalice references may happen more because this game is made by many people who made Ivalice games.

Ivalice is a country, not a planet.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Ivalice is a country, not a planet.

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Ivalice (FFXII) and Eorzea are the same thing - a region made up of several continents.

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Originally Posted by Lucke

Ivalice (FFXII) and Eorzea are the same thing - a region made up of several continents.

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Depends on the game
The ORIGINAL Ivalice in FFT was a country, more specifically a very heavy British Isles+France analog, but then they decided they liked it and made it bigger. This is evidenced by the fact there's a single king of the land (the succession of whom is a major driving force for the War of the Lions).
Now, Ivalice is basically "Europe" in its world, as evidenced by the fact it has at least two different countries, one of which is an empire bent on conquering the rest.
Eorzea is more like the latter, being the "Western Europe" analog of its world, with the Garlean Empire representing "Eastern Europe," Doma representing Japan, and a few others I can't remember offhand.
Chupon WAS a summon (under a different translated name) in a couple games, namely FFVII as "Typhoon". I think I remember Ultros showing up in a few other games as a standard enemy as well.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

Chupon WAS a summon (under a different translated name) in a couple games, namely FFVII as "Typhoon". I think I remember Ultros showing up in a few other games as a standard enemy as well.

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Yup! Chupon/Typhoon was a summon in FF7 And the Anime Final Fantasy Unlimited!
http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/typhoon-u.jpg

The Soil Combination needed to summon Typhoon was:
An infinity that surpasses the heavens Sky Blue
A completeness that goes through solid ground Earth Brown
The deception to hollow out a dimension Magic Violet

Refernce: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92WfLEWe9-8&t=3m18s

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Yup! Chupon/Typhoon was a summon in FF7 And the Anime Final Fantasy Unlimited!
http://www.ffcompendium.com/EspMon/typhoon-u.jpg

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Oh yeah...that was a thing that existed wasn't it...

Was curious if Zodiark mentioned by the Ascians in FFXIV was the same Ivalice Zodiark, saying same i mean literally the same being, remembering the stuff from Ivalice for example??
In question i refer in my first post Maehiro say that FFXIV Ivalice or even FFXI world are their own separate worlds, not same world in diff dimension or time, but with Zodiark appearence in FFXIV and ONLY in Ivalice i'm sure that Ivalice and Hydelyn are worlds in SAME UNIVERSE.

What you think ppl's?? :)

I think you should just let this thread die already.