Healer should not dps in the dungeons?

I was in the snowcloack today and some kind of bard started whining about that cause i did dps and spam holy in the aoe pulls. Nobody died in that whole 15min dungeon and just before the last boss i get kicked from the party because i did dps as whm. If i keep everybody alive do it really matter if i m doing dps? They just said "you should only heal because your role is healer if you wanna dps you should roll dps"

You kept up heals debuffs and managed to dps aswell, great work that bard is a idiot.
Makes me so annoyed when i see a healer just sit there throwing the odd cure out afking, keep up the dps wish i saw more players like you.

I dps as WHm and Scholoar all the time. Making Mobs die faster is in the Healer's best interest. Keep dps'ing

Sounds like you encountered an idiot, multiple in fact if you were really kicked for that. It happens.

Don't stop dpsing.

Tbh that bard was one that should have been kicked, WHM's that doesnt holy are more annoying than those who does. As long as tank has atleast 1HP everything is fine :3

If this were a speed run kind of thing happening, then yeah you did everything right and that Bard is a moron. Even if it wasn't throwing out some DPS every now and then is still beneficial to the run regardless

That bard was an idiot, you were doing exactly as a WHM should do in dungeons. Sorry you got such a shitty group :( at least you did not get debuff :).

The only problem I have with WHM's dps'ing as a BLM is that they kill the mobs too fast and break my cast when trying to FLARE! LoL. ;) Way to go.

Hey op, I'm new here, but I've played lots of mmo's, most part as a healer. I can tell you, healers that can keep up the heal and dps when they are able to are the best.

You just found a noob player that thinks he's a pro.

Best regards.

Seems like you kept up your part of the deal which is to keep everyone alive, after that if you can maintain the party's health then you're free to DPS. No idea why they would get upset if you're keeping people alive and making the run go a bit faster.

i like the healers who know to balance healing and dps while keeping their mp steady.sch might not have problem about mp but some whm keep spamming holy and let their mp too low like less than 1k when shround still on cooldown .. Well as long as no one die,it won't be a problem and i'll give them commendation.

I always give commendations to healers that dps, that bard was a moron.

Especially for physical dps a holying whm can make the difference between running out of tp or not running out of tp on AOE pulls.

I always give my commendation to healers who dps. That bard is an idiot.

Ya, as a Sch I dps when I can. Even just tossing down a non CS Shadow Flare helps kill groups just a bit faster. Or on bosses where I know the tank won't be taking much damage, CS up and toss on some dots and maybe a ruin or two before needing to heal (if ever). Like 2nd boss in Hullbreaker. I take CS off just before going into the bubble, heal everyone after the pop and go back to being a DD :) as long as everyone stays out of stuff, even then Selene takes care of most of it.

Healer using Holy can be the best DPS contribution for the entire party.
Or you could argue that by spamming holy you are healing because the mobs are stun locked, thus the tanks health remains full :)

I also love to dps as sch/whm but since i got once kicked from sasti HM... 2 dps with HA wep did output 0 dps so we wiped 6 times on the antboss 2 times on captn and got kicked after 3rd wipe kraken (ignoring every mechanic is not a way if u cant dps...)... they kicked me because i used Selene instead of Eos to push the little there was...

Well since that i don't do duty roulette expert anymore except when I have a full premade party that crying is not worth it. :mad:

Once they complain about healers not dpsing then they kick us its just a real wtf... :confused:

The BRD was probably mad you were out-DPSing him on those AoE groups haha

But sincerely, you were in the right. If I don't DPS in dungeons as a healer at my level I feel very lazy. We have so much downtime that can be funneled toward helping take down mobs, it's better for everyone.

So long as you were keeping people alive, knew when to activate Cleric Stance (i.e. not when the tank is at 25% HP), and the tank wasn't actively trying to get him/herself killed (trust me, folks, this happens more often than you'd ever believe), I don't see the problem with few shots of Holy.

I'll support the idea that the bard was an idiot and, by extension, a bad player that cannot exploit the the potential of any job apparently. The sole idea of that sentence: ""you should only heal because your role is healer if you wanna dps you should roll dps" I just... can't find the words to describe how retarded that is... and yes, as a healer I also DPS. I also commendate the healer that DPS.

I'm always happy whenever I see aoe spells from whomever, cause I get to use Foes Req. :)
I don't see any issues with dps from healer if the moment allows for it.

Some people told me that if, as a healer, I had time to DPS it means that they should pull much more trash to burn next time ...
It makes sense but it's probably not a very efficient way to go.

Pretty much what everybody else said. No logical person would turn down extra dps.

I can hit 1,800 dps on the first pull of ST.
Providing the tanks group and flash enough, otherwise I get destroyed in seconds.

A White Mage has the potential to out-dps every class throughout a dungeon on trash mobs (Zero chance of winning vs. a boss though).

My dungeon DPS rotation is:
Regen
Cleric Stance On ......}
Swiftcast.................}In the same GCD if you're quick enough
Holy
(PoM if it's up)
Stoneskin
Holy
Stoneskin
Holy
Etc...

You should only get maybe 3/4 holy per pull.

If you've got Benediction up just spam Holy and watch their stun immunity.

MP isn't an issue.
Shroud is on a fair cooldown... Use it early, it'll be up following 1 or 2 groups.
Also consider the walking distance mp regen.

Please make the community a better place and report all three people in that dungeon for abusing the vote kick feature.

I get sad when healers don't DPS at all and just standard there idle for 10 - 15 seconds at a time. Please continue to DPS. <3 as long as everyone is alive healer DPS is most welcome. And if once in a great while you accidentally cleric heal and let the tank die.. well, I'll get over it. :P

Those people were clueless, if you kept up with the heals healers can dps in between nothing wrong with that
And i agree with others, sometimes healers can kill a mob before my spells go off, lol
Also very much agree that the Bard was probably hurt because you were exceeding his damage by a large margin, lol

I can sort of understand the apprehension of a healer DPSing in a DF'd dungeon. However, as long as the healer is good, you can judge just how worried you should be on the first pull alone. That pull takes a lot of trust that your healer won't let you die, so if s/he accomplishes that then your anxiety should subside. I usually tank any DF dungeons I run, so I usually pull 2 groups at a time - if I die from that, then I start pulling 1 group at a time. Healing + DPSing is all about earning your party's trust - but as the OP shows, not every party trusts even the most competent of healers.

I hope I never run into any of those people you grouped with.

You can't fix stupid.

While a Healer is not required to DPS - and frankly, people who claim Healer DPS is absolutely mandatory are just as big of idiots and probably can't pull their own share of DPS - if a Healer such as yourself is good enough to both keep the party alive and throw in some DPS for good measure, then I certainly don't have a problem with it. And as shown by previous comments, people certainly appreciate a Healer who goes above and beyond his/her designated role.

Stay golden, buddy.

As long as I will be kept alive, you can do whatever you want. Dps, dancing Nyan-Nyan, Macarena or Manderville, alt-tabbing your stuff, whatever is fine.

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Originally Posted by Cyrus-Wallace

I just... can't find the words to describe how retarded that is...

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I have the words you need:

1 - Terrible player.
2 - Dumbass.

You need to be both. If you are only number 1 you think "oh what a bad healer that player is...he is dpsing lol!". If you are a dumbass, you insult. If you are both, you both insult and are wrong.

I always DPS as Scholar when the situation permits. As long as everyone's alive, I don't see any point in berating a healer for DPS'ing. Holy's stun is actually damn nice in trash pulls cause it cuts down on annoying AOE's that make the tank have to pull the mobs all over the place to dodge.

Love the sounds of Holy going off when it decimates the mobs. xD I always respect the healer who can DPS and Heal. Can't believe someone would kick a healer for Helping. Must have felt stupid waiting there for another healer right before the last boss.

If a healer was just meant to heal, why have DPS actions?

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Originally Posted by Nep_Nep

Love the sounds of Holy going off when it decimates the mobs. xD I always respect the healer who can DPS and Heal. Can't believe someone would kick a healer for Helping. Must have felt stupid waiting there for another healer right before the last boss.

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Honestly, they probably had a friend/FC mate waiting to take their place and were looking for an excuse to kick. Otherwise, I can't fathom why someone would be so stupid as to turn down extra DPS from the healer.

The spells are there for a reason and that's to use them not just to look at its up to the person playing the job to use good decision to when to use them obviously if you tank is squishy you're going to be curing more etc. etc.

only 1 time i was raged for dpsing on my healer , and that was ifrit HM 1 month ago , by another healer , no1 took dmg or died....we killed ifrit in no time Oo

i do dmg all the time i can w/o risking the party , some bosses u need to go full time healing other u can help dpsing .

i find more frustrating healers that dont dps when they can ,cleric stance exist for a reason :P

If a healer gets too caught up in their DPS and fails to spot when heals are needed, then it's a problem. If a healer uses up all their MP on DPS, and is then unable to heal when it's needed, that's a problem. But it doesn't sound like either of those were the case. So long as you make sure you can keep up with the healing, anything else you can throw into damage is an overall boost to the group as a whole.

My best guess would be that the bard you were with had probably been in a previous run where the healer concentrated too much attention on their DPS and let it distract them from healing. It was still pretty idiotic of him/her to overgeneralize it that way, though. The problem wasn't a healer who used DPS attacks, it was a healer who failed to put enough of their attention into healing. Getting mad at you when you were balancing the two correctly was just stupid.

They were either pants-on-head retarded or were trying to replace you with a friend.

Presence of Mind + Holy spam = way more damage than any of Bard AoE.

so that bard should keep his mouth shut.