Question about Animus - Novus upgrade

I am curious, when i upgraded my animus stardust rod, i had 30+ Det and 40+ Spell Speed

Went with 33 Acc 22 Spell Speed 11 det and 9 crit

When i upgraded my spell speed and determination both decreased to the level i put into the infusion.

Could i have saved those stats? did i goof my relic?

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Originally Posted by Kyomagi

When i upgraded my spell speed and determination both decreased to the level i put into the infusion.

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That's the intended function. Whatever stats you put in are the stats you get out. It's why Crit and Det materia are so god-awful expensive now.

The stats from the sphere scroll completely re-write any secondary stats that existed on the relic. You cannot "add on" to the existing stats, unfortunately. HOWEVER, if you want to change the stats, you can talk to Jalzahn again, and he'll request a new sphere scroll with which to make a copy of your Novus that you can then edit, while keeping your current Novus.

This is advantageous in that you can begin the light farming portion of the Zodiac quest, while simultaneously changing the materia stats on the new sphere scroll.

thanks, thats good to know, but do i have to refuse it 75 times again?

The copy you get back will have what you already put into it, full 75/75. You'll need the NPC at the goblin camp to remove the materia before you can infuse a different stat, and you can remove them one at a time; which stat to decrement is up to you.

You WILL need an alexandrite for every new materia infusion.

ok so basically if i want my original 30+ det and 44 SS, i just infuse the scroll with another stat as to not effect the others?

sweet. thank God thanks for the help!

Yes, but you'll need to choose what you want to replace, as you can only have 75 total stat points (ie; remove 1 Acc to add 1 Determination).

I was always confused with the re-scrolling thing. You remove stats 1 by 1? Like if I made it with cheap ones (let's say 30 acc, 23 det, 22 crit), I can remove for example 1 acc and have 29 acc, 24 det and 22 crit? I thought the whole stat got removed and would need to fully meld it, or a new 0/75 scroll x_x

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Originally Posted by Edeline

I was always confused with the re-scrolling thing. You remove stats 1 by 1? Like if I made it with cheap ones (let's say 30 acc, 23 det, 22 crit), I can remove for example 1 acc and have 29 acc, 24 det and 22 crit? I thought the whole stat got removed and would need to fully meld it, or a new 0/75 scroll x_x

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Nope, it removes one stat at a time. So if you wanted to go from, say, 25 Accuracy 19 Spell Speed 31 Determination (I'm a BLM don't hate me :c) to 19 Accuracy 25 Spell Speed 31 Determination, you'd just talk to the NPC 6 times, get 1 point of Accuracy removed each time, get 6 Alexandrites and 6 Quicktongue materia of the appropriate grade, infuse those into the scroll, and done!

Though you need a clean Sphere Scroll for Jalzahn to copy the stats onto in the first place.

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

Nope, it removes one stat at a time. So if you wanted to go from, say, 25 Accuracy 19 Spell Speed 31 Determination (I'm a BLM don't hate me :c) to 19 Accuracy 25 Spell Speed 31 Determination, you'd just talk to the NPC 6 times, get 1 point of Accuracy removed each time, get 6 Alexandrites and 6 Quicktongue materia of the appropriate grade, infuse those into the scroll, and done!

Though you need a clean Sphere Scroll for Jalzahn to copy the stats onto in the first place.

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Thank you very much ;] I assume this step can be done for zodiac ones? I had my sch tome going full crit/ det, then started to fail so many IVs that I added cheap ones I'd like to remove, but it's now Last Resort. And how do you copy the stats? You bring the guy 3 enchanted inks and buy a normal sphere scroll?

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Originally Posted by Edeline

Thank you very much ;] I assume this step can be done for zodiac ones? I had my sch tome going full crit/ det, then started to fail so many IVs that I added cheap ones I'd like to remove, but it's now Last Resort. And how do you copy the stats? You bring the guy 3 enchanted inks and buy a normal sphere scroll?

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Yeah, get the inks, get an empty Sphere Scroll, and bring it to Jalzahn. I believe it should also work for the new relics, though I've already got mine where it's going to stay (until stat weights get completely changed).

Lucky for you, the best stat for BLM is SSPD. So you don't need to spend a large sum for crit+ det combo.

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

Nope, it removes one stat at a time. So if you wanted to go from, say, 25 Accuracy 19 Spell Speed 31 Determination (I'm a BLM don't hate me :c) to 19 Accuracy 25 Spell Speed 31 Determination, you'd just talk to the NPC 6 times, get 1 point of Accuracy removed each time, get 6 Alexandrites and 6 Quicktongue materia of the appropriate grade, infuse those into the scroll, and done!

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The only thing I'm not clear about is, do the odds stay abysmally low when you're re-melding? I *assume* that you can't use cheap materia and a second scroll to get around the low odds of infusing Crit/Det, but if you can that would be awesome. . .

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Originally Posted by Edeline

Thank you very much ;] I assume this step can be done for zodiac ones? I had my sch tome going full crit/ det, then started to fail so many IVs that I added cheap ones I'd like to remove, but it's now Last Resort. And how do you copy the stats? You bring the guy 3 enchanted inks and buy a normal sphere scroll?

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I just checked with Jalzahn, and you can indeed change the stats of the Zodiac weapon (the option shows up for Zodiac once you attain one). The steps required are the same (3 new inks for sphere scroll etc).

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

The only thing I'm not clear about is, do the odds stay abysmally low when you're re-melding? I *assume* that you can't use cheap materia and a second scroll to get around the low odds of infusing Crit/Det, but if you can that would be awesome. . .

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Unfortunately, success rates don't change. At least they're not overmeld-success-rate low...the stress of pentamelding crafted i110 gear with 5 IV materia still makes me want to tear my hair out :|

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

Unfortunately, success rates don't change. At least they're not overmeld-success-rate low...the stress of pentamelding crafted i110 gear with 5 IV materia still makes me want to tear my hair out :|

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Well, I can dream. . .

I would say I'm having flashbacks to 1.0's melding system, but I didn't craft enough in 1.0 to deal with that. . .

Ive got Det 32 SS46 unfornatally it costed me 40 million to do it

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Originally Posted by Melondra

Ive got Det 32 SS46 unfornatally it costed me 40 million to do it

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o_O Seriously? Mine probably costed me at most like 5mil because I got my Savage Might IVs before 2.3.../comfort

thanks all

i think what i will do is remove the 11 det and put it into my spell speed, that way, i get close to the original 40 (i'll be at 33 but 7 less is marginal) but i will get back the original 20 det on the animus rod.

ok im a little nervous changing this, i have not made the new scroll yet and i have about 1450 lights. he said he will remove the power and transfer it, i am afraid to lose all my lights. if i do it, will it revert to animus and i lose all my work? can i do this at nexus status?

Lights stay the same. The modification process if you wish to redo your stats is a separate thing entirely; all it does is make a copy of what you used in the previous infusion.

see i wish they would actually say that, but the way it sounds when you talk to him, its like he un does what you did entirely.

So if what i am reading is correct, Say if i change it when i convert it to nexus, he takes the power and makes the scroll, thus making my ilvl 115 nexus and ilvl 110 nexus until i infuse the scroll again, correct?

is there a novus -> nexus boost on those added stats?

If you still have your novus, all he will do is copy the stats on your novus into the scroll. After you're done with modifing what stats you want, he'll be able to apply them to your novus, your lights won't change.

Yes. There's a stat increase from i110 - i115 - i125.

you see i keep hearing different stories from different people. some people say i wont lose the 1700 lights by copying the powers on to the scroll now, some say i will, everyone tells me to wait until i convert to nexus

I changed mine in the middle of farming lights. I can confirm that you'll retain your lights.

I also changed stats in my light farming. You don't lose progress. Believe me, if that was the case, you'd see a LOT of raging here.

well thank you all, im only 300 away from getting nexus so i'll just change it then I need a few more alex anyway

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Originally Posted by Kyomagi

thanks all

i think what i will do is remove the 11 det and put it into my spell speed, that way, i get close to the original 40 (i'll be at 33 but 7 less is marginal) but i will get back the original 20 det on the animus rod.

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You wiil not get the original 20 Det back unless you put them there yourself. Think of it this way... The scroll sphere deletes ALL secondary stat, the Det/SSPD that were there originally are gone. From that point on in the relic upgrade process the stats are whatever you set them to. If you want the exact same stats you had, you will need to infuse those exact stats.

I don't think it's possible to get the Animus stats onto your Novus due to Animus using more than 75 points I think.