G>N lock-in system

Let leader assign who gets drop in a G>N party. Groups fall apart because of one person either needing or greeding other peoples items.

Let it be something you can only change outside of instance and something the party agrees with.

So simple once leader Q's the item you want pops up in the Q and if you accept that means you agree.

Bring this in ASAP, some items are rarely seen and when they drop its not fair that someone else takes it.

Won't this just cause even more problems? Premades could easily rig the system in favor of their friends.

In my opinion a quartermaster system won't work good for this game because of drops come in at most 2 per run if you are referring to coils and lockouts. Because of their high random nature, as Miles mention, some people will favor their friends. If these fights were modeled after BCNM fights from FFXI, where there are no lockouts and higher number of drops per run, then yes a quartermaster system will work and be needed to avoid people looting things over others.

unless they agreed before joining and you have proof no wrong action has been done.

in the case of a player breaking their word it is a reportable offense and the item can be taken from the player.

I see no reason they cannot copy WoW on this. GvN or Quartermaster. Just have it as an option that can only be changed before entering the instance.

They do have this system in WoW called master loot I believe. However people can still screw you over with it. Like not give you their loot, give it too their friends, take it for themselves. So pretty much any loot distro system has its problem, which is the same thing as people greeding or needing your stuff in a greed over need party.

The group complaining about something like this doesn't really have a leg to stand on as far as the rules of the game are concerned. Not sure there is much, if anything, that could be done here.

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Originally Posted by Noblewar

Bring this in ASAP, some items are rarely seen and when they drop its not fair that someone else takes it.

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Uhhhh, no, actually it sounds entirely fair. For every single person in the group.

We could have a gil-bidding system where person with the highest bis gets the item, and the gil is then distributed to the whole party.

This way people can secure their items while other people will then have the gil to bid on things they need.

It would greatly favour crafters and spiritbond people though, essentially making the game all about earning gil rather than running dungeons.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

umm... what? So far, the SE staff have specifically ruled that verbal agreements between players are NOT legally binding, and player disputes relating to the breaking of such are not and will not be determined by moderators.

in short, if you can need it, you have a right to need it. if you pass, no matter what the verbal agreements, you forfeit your rights to the item, and any value therein.

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camate made a post about it earlier.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

One of the first things we are looking into doing is adding a system so information is displayed in the chat log regarding who lotted on an item.

We've received a lot of requests to make it possible to pass after you've already lotted on an item, but due to the current system as well as prospects for the future we do not have any plans to implement this at the moment.

Also, while this isn't limited to only the topic at hand, it's extremely difficult to prevent human error by creating perfect rules within the game system as it becomes something that forces players to go through a cumbersome process. (Such as going through multiple confirmation windows.)

Naturally we will continue to make changes to the system for improvements, but ultimately we feel that there are situations where we would like you to decide on the rules amongst yourselves. Before entering a duty, make sure that all party members are informed of the agreement and who is able to lot on which item. All party members should agree to those terms before entering to ensure an agreement is clearly understood.

Breaking these agreements, or behavior that imposes on other players' enjoyment of the game, will not be tolerated. If after an investigation it's confirmed that a player clearly understood the rules when joining a group and still acted in such a manner, proper action will be taken against the player, which may include confiscation of the item or account suspension, so please avoid doing anything like this.

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Originally Posted by tocsin

umm... what? So far, the SE staff have specifically ruled that verbal agreements between players are NOT legally binding, and player disputes relating to the breaking of such are not and will not be determined by moderators.

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Really? I'm fairly sure I've seen quotes from a GM saying, if the agreement was laid out in text chat showing agreement from all sides, that it IS binding and the mods can do something about it. Ah, above post was made.

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

Uhhhh, no, actually it sounds entirely fair. For every single person in the group.

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I think you miss the point of the OP. This is not random parties, this is specific greed parties where everyone agrees who will get what loot if it drops. If you think it's fair to lie and then take someone else's loot that you promised you wouldn't roll on, don't join those parties.

People appear incredibly underinformed about the rules, seeing as they think you can agree to whatever then break the lotting rules of the party because lol. Glad someone posted Camate's post that makes it painfully obvious that isn't true.

No changes need to be made to the system. If you're getting screwed, you need to start placing GM calls, because player-made rules agreements are more than sufficient for PF action.

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Originally Posted by Shadowedge

Uhhhh, no, actually it sounds entirely fair. For every single person in the group.

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Uhhh no, it's not fair at all to join a greed party and then roll need. It's also not fair to lot on items other than those you picked. It's pretty simple - if you don't wanna follow the rules set out by the party leader, don't join the party.

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Originally Posted by Thistledown

We could have a gil-bidding system where person with the highest bis gets the item, and the gil is then distributed to the whole party.

This way people can secure their items while other people will then have the gil to bid on things they need.

It would greatly favour crafters and spiritbond people though, essentially making the game all about earning gil rather than running dungeons.

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Sure, let people who roll in gil have even greater power in an all out bidding war. RMT would make a killing.

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

camate made a post about it earlier.

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okay, that's better sourcing than I can come up with, so ill definitely accept it and delete my previous post.

I'm sure though that we have had some more recent notes made of moderators in-game being summoned for these reports and saying "its a gentleman's agreement, we aren't getting involved"

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Won't this just cause even more problems? Premades could easily rig the system in favor of their friends.

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They do now anyway.

They need to revamp the system - you should be able to switch your Need roll to a Greed roll or pass after rolling if you feel the need to. They also should add a loot master option...

Would solve a problem but add new ones. No thank you!