1. In comparison to previous MMORPGS I've played, gear mitigates an insignificant amount of encounter difficulty.
2. Secondary stats (det, crit, spell speed, skill speed, piety) are nearly unnoticeable.
3. Gear level is upgraded almost as fast as it can be attained.
4. There is no critical thinking involved in choosing your equipment.
5. PVP gear has no significant use outside of glamour.
6. Regularly accessed content is so easy that cutting edge gear makes the experience go from easy to faceroll easy.
Just my two cents.
Itemization in FFXI in unexciting
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12-21-2014, 12:19 PMreality_checkItemization in FFXI in unexciting
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12-21-2014, 12:21 PMseida
Yes. This is not new or shocking information.
Obviously, it was a deliberate choice on SE's part. -
12-21-2014, 12:26 PMSessurea
So you think gear is unexciting because......it doesn't make you overpowered? doesn't carry you through content? I don't get this thread much really xc
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12-21-2014, 12:26 PMJynx
In before you get torn apart for your thread title.
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12-21-2014, 12:58 PMHiruke
Maybe if you do something beyond dungeons you'll notice the different value each secondary stat has. If you go with the wrong secondary stats, you will be vastly inferior to someone who chose more wisely. Don't believe me? Go pure Crit. lol
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12-21-2014, 01:07 PMTesloThat's the only reason I'm here... :P lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
Hey OP, it's an MMO. That's how these things work. 10% of the population always calls for MORE MORE HARDER HARDER (Not an innuendo...) and complains when things get nerfed so that the other 88% can play. That 88% wants everything handed to them, wants things to be easy, doesn't want to research their jobs or rotations, or plan out gear itemizations (I'm exaggerating a little). The remaining 2% is just "Yeah, whatever man. Just like... Play the game and chill, dude."
Also we ARE talking about XIV and not XI, right? :P Just *cough* checking! -
12-21-2014, 01:17 PMMimiluI think it has to do more with that there is no thought put into the gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sessurea
If you want to be the best, you need this BiS gear, nothing else. And when you do get that BiS gear, it will become obsolete quicker then you got it once a new patch comes out. Gear is very linear, with no room for personalization, other then materia slots, or other options. -
12-21-2014, 01:20 PMMimilu
One thing I have to say about the OP's #2, secondary stats do play a role.
Scholars require Crit. It makes our shields so much better.
Speed Spell is negative stat for Summoners because it ruins their DoT rotation.
White Mages and now Summoners enjoy having more Piety. -
12-21-2014, 01:29 PMBishop81
Welcome to the WoW-type vertical progression MMO, where all the different stats are by and large redundant and can really be "condensed" to just one number.
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12-21-2014, 01:31 PMBlaiseArath
the way I see it you have two people... some people like Diablo 2 and its complex but ultimately rewarding and interesting Itemization. Then you have some people like Diablo 3's "1.0" itemization.
But to the point... A lot of people ignored all that "math has real world applications" talk in school so can't understand an items usefulness unless they slap in a system that is and always will be "Big number > Little number"(Item Level), so it makes it easier for people to have a goal when they don't have to think too hard on which item they should get or need because of big words like "Double Attack +2".
This is why we have "Item level" itemization... its easier for theidiots,millenials,Participation ribbon babies,how I shot mathcommon person to understand, and is much easier to pick up on an get into. Almost every MMO is pretty much Item level now, or in some form Item level (I.e Tiers, Blue/green/orange/etc are basically just I/lv without the numbers). Its a familiarity that puts people in comfort zone, and Item levels/tiers are familiar, and basically really stupid easy to program/balance too, so some logic is that they have more time to balance the content rather than focusing on how to balance the gear.
Item levels have their own problems though, particularly "Power Creep", and the fact that I think in the future its going to be stupid to have us being "Item level 400", which just sounds dumb coming off your tongue. Honestly Power Creep is one of the biggest issues Itemlevel MMOs face, and you can already see it happening in XIV (Level caps on old dungeons) -
12-21-2014, 01:48 PMKirohWelcome to "What stat is it anyways?"! Where the numbers are made up and the gear doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bishop81
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12-21-2014, 01:50 PMUltimatecaliburThis is wrong. The current BiS sets for i80 Frontlines make heavy use of PvP gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by reality_check
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12-21-2014, 01:57 PMAlyko
I miss gear swapping, at least that added some metagame to FFXI. Here it's just "get the higher ilvl so you can join the latest instances"
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12-21-2014, 02:02 PMDeathscythe343
I would like to see more gear or stat choices.
Take the poetics caster set for example, like 9 of 11 pieces have accuracy on them. Seems a bit excessive. I wish stats like crit and det were more abundant on the gear. Even with having only 3 pieces of poetics gear my BLM has the accuracy for T13. It makes little sense to me why the other stats are so poorly represented on the gear. Given that this is the gear that your average casual will be getting a set of, it seems like the stats could be more diverse. -
12-21-2014, 02:20 PMreality_checkCorrect me if I'm wrong, but isn't morale disabled in frontlines still?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
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12-21-2014, 03:32 PMTesloI actually hated the gear-swapping aspect of that game. lol It was soooooo cheesy! But what's worse, if you did it like you were supposed to, you never actually saw your character fighting. It'd always be invisible while the game loaded the new graphics. @_@Quote:
Originally Posted by Alyko
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12-21-2014, 03:44 PMRyansVastly inferior? That is a bit of an exaggeration. No, that is a huge exaggeration. Does it impact dps? Yes, of course it does. Does it increase it anymore than a different, equivalent ilvl piece? Not really. Gear has set weight values for stats and it gives more of a stat if it has less impact. That weight makes up for any kind of choice. You can optimize your gear to not have skill speed, but it isn't going to up your sustained dps much more than a few points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiruke
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12-21-2014, 03:47 PMTheMax1087Pvp gear is worthless in front lines due to the Ilvl sync, that said, since they added an extra stat to it, some i110 pvp gear is better than it's soldiery or high allagan counterpart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultimatecalibur
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12-21-2014, 05:53 PMSamburi
Is this about gears in FF XI?
wrong forum?
why is everyone off-topic and talk about XIV gear? -
12-21-2014, 06:03 PMLemuria
I have to admit, gear in FFXIV is far to vanilla for my tastes. Every single item you can 'upgrade' to is just the same as before with a recolor and a few extra levels added on. Even the original Guild Wars had more horizontal variety than this game does. The problem is the developers are too scared to add unique and interesting stats in the fear that one piece will be coveted above the others.
Truth be told this happens anyway, but people turn a blind eye to it for some reason.
It would be nice to have a little... no, a lot more flavor to our stats. There's only so much of the same thing a player can take before it gets stale and boring. -
12-21-2014, 08:04 PMDuelleThis is intentionally bad itemization to encourage people to trudge through content using poetics gear but ultimately aim for gear from final coil. It's more noticeable for some classes more than others, but it's there. If you notice the gear with "good" stats for the most part comes from final coil; as a tank I end up swimming in parry, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deathscythe343
That was more an oversight that the developers did nothing about. My dislike for swaps was known to those who played with me, and I can say it really soured my outlook on XI's combat design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teslo
Because the ends achieved through gear is to reach whatever stat cap or threshold that needs to be reached in order to progress. BiS as a concept is VERY different from things like the lv51 elemental staves. The former is part of progression, plays into your character growing more powerful and is tied with current content. The latter involves items overbudget for the level at which players can use them, and end up hurting future itemization or helping in power creep. Not to mention all those wasted database slots for items and the art assets involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuria
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12-21-2014, 10:32 PMKrindorMajority of the i90+ PvP gear are better than their PvE counterpart due to not having any accuracy on it, 100 accuracy turned into something else is quite big of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMax1087
On topic, I agree with the OP, the effect secondary stats have here is low, even compared to WoW. -
12-21-2014, 11:03 PMMagisHad to do a double take lol. OP might want to edit his title/post with a clarification. Anyway, I agree with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jynx
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12-21-2014, 11:11 PMCorfishPersonally I don't care if the progression if vertical or horizontal. Every game I have played with horizontal progression gets dictated to death by the players, and if you try to do something that the players don't declare optimal, you get told contstantly how why you are wrong and making it worse for everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemuria
The FFXIV community seems to have an older average user base, so hopefully people wouldn't get mad at others for builds not considered optimal, but who knows. Either way, horizontal progression isn't as super special as people want it to be. -
12-21-2014, 11:38 PMDeathscythe343Yes, but considering my example, this is still awful. A casual person that may never step foot in coil deserves the same chance at gear with better itemized stats on it as the raider.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
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12-21-2014, 11:41 PMBlaiseArath
They fixed the blinking while gear swapping thing a while back btw in XI... a looooooooooooooooooooot longer ago if you used Blinkmenot. But officially its fixed now with "Lock style".
Also, As a DD job, I never "Blinked so much I was invisible the entire time" in any event. Maybe on a mage job if you played it pretty hardcore, but melee only had really 3 sets... TP Phase, WS, and PDT/GotHate gear, and for most of XI's life span, there was a good long period between TP and WS swapping... not until around Abyssea did we get the influx of hastebuffs that got us getting TP almost quicker than we could spend it.
Unless your computer was crap and it just took you forever to load models or something, then maybe yah. Or during Besieged.