FFXIV Playstation Trophies

Can you please remove the Trophy: "Seeker of Truth" ("Clear the Binding Coil") from the Platinum Trophy requirement?

It is a nigh unobtainable trophy for General populace.
As many Playstation gamers cannot get into Coil as PC gamers require Voicechat for it.

Also having to clear Turns 1-5 is overkill.
Every Trophy has been reasonable & challenging enough for the game.
But that 1 trophy is...a sore spot.

Binding Coil takes an entire raid force of 100% committed, dedicated, and skilled gamers at the very peak of their skill.
It requires flawless execution of tactics, teamwork, position, and communication.
It's currently ranked a "Bronze" Trophy at that!
If anything it should be an optional: "Platinum Trophy" that boosts the Trophy completion for the game to 120% or something.
It should NOT count towards the default Platinum Trophy.

Forcing endgame content on the crowd that is shunned from endgame content is just mean.
It also will drive folks to Raid just for the trophy, they won't/don't care about the strategy or hardwork. They will only be there for a free ride/carry.

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Originally Posted by Defias

Can you please remove the Trophy:

As many Playstation gamers cannot get into Coil as PC gamers require Voicechat for it.

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Wut. I've been the playstation only guy in plenty of PC based statics , besides most PC statics resort to third party apps such as Skype, Mumble , RaidCall , Teamspeak for VoIP considering not everyone has access to VoIP you can atleast get a hold of one of these if you're serious about raiding, and if not then why would they remove a trophy just because you aren't putting in the effort to work for it ? They didn't ''force'' endgame content on you, you clearly have the desire to do so .....you just aren't puttting in the effort to find a group that user a VoIP you can actually aquire.

On that note, PS4 players have the inbuilt chat system, so as opposed to a pc/smartphone application they have that advantage. Anyway, I've seen plenty of groups type what you need to do for the benefit of PS players who don't have VoIP capabilities.

Remove a trophy that you cannot obtain? So we should also remove every trophy in the real world also unobtainable to you? We shouldn't hand out Olympic medals for skiing because some people lack the limbs to achieve that award? Can't do karate, take away all the trophies, right?

The only thing that bugs me about the Playstation Trophies is that they don't sync up with the PC version, so if you do something on the PC, you get an achievement in game but you won't get it when you log back into the PS4 version. Its not the end of the world, but I was a little down when I didn't get trophies for things that I know I've done lol.

@IsaacDamodred
Seriously dude? You're going to start a fight about that?

I'm 99% sure you are just the usual forum Troll/Scum but I'll humor you and explain myself.

Every MMO on the Playstation has trophies that are obtainable by players of all playstyles.
Typically they involve: Completing the Main Storyline, Crafting, light PVP, and Side Quests.

FFXIV is the only one to require a Raid. Not just any Raid, THE ENDGAME raid to end them all.
Which is a problem.

That said. I have reworded my post to not removing the trophy. Just removing it from being a requirement for the "Platinum" Trophy.

Seriously comparing this to the Olympics? WTF is your problem?

Most Raiders want folks who are dedicated and determined. All the trophy does is make folks run the raid and pray to get carried through. They just want the Trophy they don't give 2 shits about the Raid & everyone in it.

If anything you should support the idea.

@ZhycranaDranix
I do not raid. Period.
I am not here to "whine" about the fact I will never even see The Coil.
I am here because compared to the other PS MMOs, this is the first one to REQUIRE a Raid to get the Platinum.
As previously stated. Extreme Primals would be a better fit than Binding Coil. Coil is the raid to end all raids.

I am a Solo player and I am damn proud. That said, you must have had some RL friends in those statics as the FFXIV PC community is not accepting of Playstation gamers.
"Playstation Trash", "Solo Scum", "Casual Sh@#!" are names I have been called.
So I commend you for finding cool statics & I wish you the best.

I'm just trying to help out fellow PS gamers.

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Originally Posted by Defias

@IsaacDamodred
FFXIV is the only one to require a Raid. Not just any Raid, THE ENDGAME raid to end them all.

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That would be FCoB sir. T13.

Also, goodluck if you ever play Destiny and getting the platinum on that if you don't want to raid.

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Originally Posted by Defias

@IsaacDamodred
Seriously dude? You're going to start a fight about that?

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I'm 99% sure you are just the usual forum Troll/Scum but I'll humor you and explain myself.

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Seriously comparing this to the Olympics? WTF is your problem?

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I am a Solo player and I am damn proud. That said, you must have had some RL friends in those statics as the FFXIV PC community is not accepting of Playstation gamers.
"Playstation Trash", "Solo Scum", "Casual Sh@#!" are names I have been called.
So I commend you for finding cool statics & I wish you the best.

I'm just trying to help out fellow PS gamers.

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Lol, I pointed out the flaw in your "idea" and you call me scum? Guess you didn't like being called "solo scum" so you just started flinging insults of your own? Grow up.

Oh and my Olympics reference, it was an analogy and a very good one at that. Final Coil Platinum Trophy = hard to get - AND - Olympic Medal = hard to get. Not sure how my analogy is flawed in ANY WAY.

P.S. "FFXIV PC community is not accepting of Playstation gamers" is a downright incorrect statement and to state such a baseless claim gives no credit to your argument. Hard facts are preferred to personal opinion and "limited" experience.

@IssacDamodred
First off. This forum is full of Trolls.
So pardon me for mistaking you as one.
The tone of your message screamed Troll to me. But I was either mistaken or you're a skilled Troll.

I apologize for calling you scum.

And although I feel we will never see eye to eye I will try to explain myself to you because you are obviously the developer I aimed this post at.
(General Discussion is for arguments, Feedback is for Feedback...they say.)

In no way am I incorrect in stating Playstation players being shunned by pc players.
I see it extremely often. I'll start taking screenshots if I must.
Bottom line: A large number of Raiders view Playstation players as Casuals/Hinderances/Free Ride seekers
Playstation only/majority FCs tend to be different. Obviously.

Back to my main topic.
Considering that there are still an alarmingly high number of players yet to clear Turn 3 let alone Turn 4.
The Trophy is asking A LOT...Bronze Trophies are suppose to be simple.

In my opinion Coil is a Platinum Trophy in itself...or bare minimum a Gold not a Bronze.

Your olympic analogy is correct in the fact that a gold medal is hard to get.
I am also correct in saying that...

"An Olympic Gold Medal nearly impossible for even the most dedicated athlete to get."

They can train all their lives and never make the cut for the Olympics.
Thats the cruelty of the world.

FFXIV is not the Olympics in any way shape or form.
A videogame will never, ever, EVER compare to a Real Sport. Period.

So you feel this game should have a trophy that is near impossible to obtain by the audience the game is aimed at...we all know the game is aimed at Casuals.

Even so, FFXIV is by far one of the most content balanced games I have ever played.
Content for Casuals, Solo, Hardcore, Raiders.
It keeps a casual pace yet manages to keepa challenge for those who seek it.
And for the most part the game doesn't force you to run content you dislike.

Which is why I am saying that this Trophy goes against the game.
It forces Raid gameplay.
I could tolerate it if it was say...
Crystal Tower (The Casual Raid as folks call it.)
Hell maybe if the Trophy was: "Enter The Coil of Bahamut" or "Unlock The Coil of Bahamut"
But "Clear The Coil of Bahamut" is overkill.

It forces Casual gamers into extremely uncasual content.
It really that big a crime to feel that its wrong to have a Trophy that would require a player to become not only a "Hardcore" player but a Top Tier cream of the crop player to get?

@KuraiKiserogeru
Vault of Glass?
Hardly counted as a Raid imo. Unless you mean its cheap kills. But thats all Destiny's difficulty is.
(Strikes only challenge were the Bosses who were only Giant Bulletsponges with attacks that more or less could be described as Gatling Rocket launchers.)
But I already cleared VOG.
Destiny has nothing on FFXIV and I mean that literally.
If anything it made me appreciate FFXIV more than ever before.
Since we are on the topic...folks on the Destiny Forums have suggested/petitioned that trophy be removed.
Bungie won't add Matchmaking so players can't go and roll the die and possibly "get a good PUG" for it.
So folks feel it is a nigh unobtainable trophy.
(I would not be surprised if the players are just tired of the ordeal they go through just to get 6 players together.)
Also Destiny is a FPSRPG with MMO like traits. Not an MMO so I do not believe it can fairly be compared to FFXIV.

I would like to know wich "other MMOs" you say that do not require end game content for the Platinum. As far as I know, every game requires you to play ALL of its contents to get the Platinum. The case is that, when it comes to MMOs, it usually involve contents that require a high skilled and commited group of players.

I don't see a reason to remove this kind of requirement do platinum. If Platinum is about to say "hey, I have beaten all the shits this game have to offer", the least is to beat the final PvE content. And guess what, they don't even require the savage mode!


And for the "PS4 scum" and whatever, it do exists. But means nothing if you are a skilled, commited and, well, -raid- player. For instance, in my FCoB group, we have 2 players on PS4. One of them uses teamSpeak for PC, and the other (my GF) uses TS for Android. Actually, My girls game is smother then mine, since I play on my Notebook and it's not a top one. She also can stream / record the kills without any frame drops.

@Edit

For Destiny, the raid can be a problem not because it's dificult or anything, but because Destiny is poor on social features. The game does not offer you any tools to make it easier to raid. Not text chat or voice chat at town, no match making, a poor in-game, party only, voicechat...

What server do you play on? I play on ps4, my wife on ps3 on balmung and I've never had pc players be anything but nice.
I use mumble on my phone for raiding.

@Dunncan
To be honest I didn't think much the Trophy until I saw a friend buying clears for Coil.
Thats when it I saw how hardcore Coil is.

Now experiencing all content. I am down for.
When Wolves Den PVP hit they added the Trophy "Slay thy Neighbor"
(Try a round of PVP)

I'm fine with that. I'm fine with attempting Coil. But clearing 5 Turns is overkill.

Look up the DCUO Trophies, Freerealms Trophies (It counts as a MMO for some god forsaken reason), & Warframe.

DCUO is the best one imo.
It has Raid Trophies that do not count towards the platinum.
The trophies are there to shoot for, but they are NOT forced for the 100% trophy.
They are given unique prestige of their own.
That said. Coil could be given that same treatment & I would be fine.

I mean I'm only offering feedback to the devs. Since the discussion has come up often in game.
I'm not trying to fight a war...

Nothing ticks me off more than hearing raiders I know moan and groan about Casuals in Coil, Coil nerfs, Coil changes, and carrying people.
Then I mention the Trophy and say some casuals have a legit reason to go in.
They respond with:
"Coil isn't for scrubs. They need to quit or get good and stop wasting a slot."

Yet when I post here...the response is:
"No keep it. It'll bring casuals to Raids."

Folks need to choose a side...

@socomlord
Sargatanas. The community is nice until you stick your toes into the raider pool.
Sad to say, I love my server until I get into a group or discussion with an endgame Raider.
Pains me to admit it but my attempts at getting into Coil groups (I won't even recall the Duty Finder attempts) have been defeated by them soundly.
Not proud to admit it but they hate players like me and I have grown to hate players like them.

The raid here in FF is still pretty Hardcoe stuff, compared to others MMOs. But about the coil buys, do not mistake it. Ppl buy the coil for the loot and for the "Bonus" to desapear, because everyone whants ppl to play coil, but no one bother to take newcomers.

And that's the thing. Same way Ps4 players have Trophy, all the players have their achievments to clear. It's a poor comparsion, but the meaning is the same: get the "badges" for clearing content.

I understand all the hate about the coil model. It's a pain in the ass, even when you finally get an static group. But I do not agree with who claims to remove it from Platinum.