Fan Fest Tokyo

So did anyone else realize how close it is to fan fest? I am personally really excited to hear more about gunner. ;-;

Healer* hue hue.

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Originally Posted by Ephier

Healer* hue hue.

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Im actually not against a gun/heal class or a gambler class. ;o

I just want fan fest to come around already! ;-;

When is it again ?

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Originally Posted by Lillia

I am personally really excited to hear more about gunner. ;-;

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Omg me too! I just can't wait, Saturday is going to be either accept gunner to be healer and I'm gonna go cry in a sad corner, or drink delicious tears on the forum if it is a dps xD (waiting my dps gunner since 1.0, kind of a long wait).

On a side note, there is probably going to be even more nice surprises than this :p after all it's the japanese fan festival :D

I'm just glad that they are offering an English version of the streams.

The hell that will break lose when MSK would not be the gunner. The hell that will break lose if the gunner would be a healer. The hell that will break lose if they announce MSK, but as a healer.

I am more curious what info we will get regarding the class/job system. I so hope they'll get rid of classes.

I am pretty amped for more information on Heavensward at all.

I woke up this morning and it hit me very suddenly that Fan Fest is this coming weekend, I got so excited. New job info is just around the corner, and tbh at this point I'm gonna be pretty excited to hear about it even if it's not something I wanna see in-game.

Gunner Gunner Gunner!! It's what I want for Christmas, Gunner info!! :D

Since 1.0, September 2010 people been waiting for MSK. If it is anything but a gun DD, I am sure a lot of them are going to be disappointed.

I still remember seeing it on the FFXIV page lol.

What I wanna know is, why DRK has no class, I hope they are doing away with classes! :)

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Originally Posted by Meier

What I wanna know is, why DRK has no class

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They are emos that cut themselves, hard to do that and have class.

What if...

PLOT TWIST!!!

They reveal 2 Gun jobs!

One for Healing and one for DD both with different types of weapons.

:p

I wanna learn more about Airships, FC Crafting, and Magitek companions. All the Jobs/Races/Etc. are nice, but my priorities are clearly different than everyone else's.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

I am more curious what info we will get regarding the class/job system. I so hope they'll get rid of classes.

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If it follows the route of DRK. I think we'll see them testing not having classes in for jobs in the future. I'm sure they won't get rid of classes, well the original ones, but if 3.0 has "classless" jobs that work..we may see all the classes we currently have be the last ones. It wouldn't bother me if they stopped with the classes, though I do enjoy the storylines. Just after 30 you never really jump back into your classes much at all.

They wont be removing Classes, it simply would be too much work. Future Jobs might be "advanced" and have no Class, but the existing ones aren't going anywhere because they'd have to go through the trouble of completely redoing their stories. If they wanted to do away with Classes they'd have done so when they rebuilt the entire game, not in an expansion.

Dark Knight doesn't have a Class because it simply wouldn't offer much in terms of Cross-Class Skills (which are basically all Classes are good for), certainly not when Marauder and Lancer share some Dark Knight style Cross-Class Skills already.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

They wont be removing Classes, it simply would be too much work.

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That's the point of taking 1+ years to work on an expansion pack rather than trying to do it in a 4 month update cycle. They can remove classes by making everything from 3.0 onwards being purely 'job' related and job only additions.

Yea they don't have to remove classes, but they can rework the way future jobs work.

In the simple case of any class with the job system now they can just have 50+ be job only meaning SCH and SMN would not only level separately but they would also gain unique abilities for those 10 levels.

I would say a possibility in this would be guilds integrating the knowledge of jobs into their curriculum however with the current classes in the game this would only come to light after the lv job 50 quest of said job.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

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This is interesting. However, I remember in a recent interview: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rview_summary/ they said,

"•Can't talk about why DK has no class" Just makes me curious lol

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

They are emos that cut themselves, hard to do that and have class.

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Hahaha XD

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

They can remove classes by making everything from 3.0 onwards being purely 'job' related and job only additions.

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Adding no new Classes =/= removing Classes. Removing Conjurer and reworking the entire 1-50 questline to accommodate for that change would be a waste of time. All it achieves is tidying up the clutter that is Jobs without actually doing anything, when the existing redundancy of Classes is perfectly fine. At least, as someone who played Final Fantasy I think it's fine.

There is pretty much only one way I can see them removing Classes without it being a massive waste of development time, and that's by condensing them all down into a Freelancer Job that everyone starts out with and is effectively the same as 1.0s Physical/Class leveling system; You can have Lv50 Freelancer, but your Conjuring Skill can still be a Lv1. You go from being a Freelancer with Lv30 Gladiator and Lv15 Conjuring to unlocking Paladin, effectively meaning no Jobs really have a Class anymore. If they can make Freelancer its own viable option for events then it's perhaps worthwhile, do it the same way all their RPGs manage the Freelancer/Onion Knight Job and just boost its power the more you cap. That could be interesting, though perhaps still a waste of time (almost the exact same thing could be achieved by just giving Classes their own special Freelancer trait which does the same thing).

I find it more likely that Dark Knight is just an "advanced" Job which is "unlocked" by merging two existing Jobs (a system Yoshida mentioned in the past). Rather than getting a Class, leveling it to 30, and unlocking Dark Knight, you get Paladin and Black Mage and you get to take Dark Knight from 1-60. Really doubt they're going to do away with Conjurer and other Classes. If they did such a dramatic reworking of the existing system it would just further send home the message that I'm playing an extended beta right now, though I guess with the time frame they had to rebuild the game I might forgive that.

I dont get the issue with the gunner job potentially being the new healer... Its still a new job, this alone is awesome.

I for one hope it is, i main WHM and played SCH ( even though i really, really dont like it ). And having an alternative for my WHM that isnt SCH will be nice.

Also it would mean that it is the first non-caster healer which is a nice change.

If its a DPS then be it. I'll wait for a new healer. But i will certainly not complain, unlike those who expect the other way around, it seems.

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Originally Posted by CUTS3R

I dont get the issue with the gunner job potentially being the new healer... Its still a new job, this alone is awesome.

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The issue primarily is:

Look back at 1.0 (2010 release), when your character held the gun it was not with the intention on healing their target.
Look back at Merlywb's introduction - when she killed..quite a bit of imperials, she certainly didn't heal them with her guns.
Look at 2.x - Any enemy or NPC that uses a gun, do they heal you? Or are they damaging you?

So there's nothing "wrong" perse, however just about every gunner present in XIV as of now is certainly not a healer.

If it's a healer and people want it to be a DPS, they should just play it anyway and push DPS like a good healer. If it's ability based rather than spells, then that's even more reason to push DPS on it.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

The issue primarily is:

Look back at 1.0 (2010 release), when your character held the gun it was not with the intention on healing their target.
Look back at Merlywb's introduction - when she killed..quite a bit of imperials, she certainly didn't heal them with her guns.
Look at 2.x - Any enemy or NPC that uses a gun, do they heal you? Or are they damaging you?

So there's nothing "wrong" perse, however just about every gunner present in XIV as of now is certainly not a healer.

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Only issue with this is that it isn't likely to be healing you with the gun itself, but is a healer that uses a gun. It's much in the same way that a White Mage is not healing you by hitting you over the head with the staff, the weapon doesn't matter.

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Originally Posted by Mirron

Only issue with this is that it isn't likely to be healing you with the gun itself, but is a healer that uses a gun. It's much in the same way that a White Mage is not healing you by hitting you over the head with the staff, the weapon doesn't matter.

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The issue with this though, it has to be balanced around the fact you're a healer first and foremost, which means the gun would be an afterthought in that type of design. Which is why unless everything dramatically changes, there's no indication whatsoever gunners in the XIV world are actually even capable of healing as all of their skills and attributes are that of a pure DPS. The CNJ/WHM example is per lore they're more weaving aether through the weapon, much like THM/BLM and ACN/SCH manipulates it in a different way through the weapon - Thus a gunner would have to do so through their gun as your weapon = what you are in this world.

It's not like FFXI where for example a warrior could have their axe equipped and still cast White/Black/Blue Magic or Ninjitsu without having to be that specific job.

Except that the particular weapon doesn't matter, even if you're weaving your aether through it. Otherwise DoM wouldn't be cross classable. And I'm expecting the gun to be an afterthought. I sincerely doubt it'll be a DPS, since that doesn't add up with what we know about the situation really.

Edit: Just to clarify, are you expecting the gun healer to use magic as well? Because it sounded like that's what you were saying, and that too seems pretty unlikely. Possible, but more likely is a DoW healer.

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Originally Posted by Mirron

Only issue with this is that it isn't likely to be healing you with the gun itself, but is a healer that uses a gun. It's much in the same way that a White Mage is not healing you by hitting you over the head with the staff, the weapon doesn't matter.

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I smell a healer that doesn't heal but wants to use the gun instead, hello next bard.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I smell a healer that doesn't heal but wants to use the gun instead, hello next bard.

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Cleric Stance already exists, not like it'd be exclusive to this new healer. Might be more prevalent, but I don't think it'll be that bad all in all.

I'm going to be in Japan during the FanFest but not going to be anywhere near Tokyo. I guess I'll read about the updates much later! I'm really excited about the upcoming updates. Hope no more cash shop shenanigans. It has created enough discontent amongst players. Happy Holidays everyone!

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

The issue primarily is:

Look back at 1.0 (2010 release), when your character held the gun it was not with the intention on healing their target.
Look back at Merlywb's introduction - when she killed..quite a bit of imperials, she certainly didn't heal them with her guns.
Look at 2.x - Any enemy or NPC that uses a gun, do they heal you? Or are they damaging you?

So there's nothing "wrong" perse, however just about every gunner present in XIV as of now is certainly not a healer.

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exept we are not the admiral nor the pirate from limsa, we are adventurer, the warrior of light... we are more than the normal people. and people need to stop to ask for class from tanaka time... msk was a promise of tanaka... not yoshida, he did only said that a gunner class/jobs was needed, never he did mention msk. that player that still asking for msk.

by the way i will not be surprise that the gunner will not be a DD, do a new DD ranged will have any role in the game and bring anything new? not sure, however another healer can be a plus. just my 2 cents....

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Originally Posted by Atomnium

Omg me too! I just can't wait, Saturday is going to be either accept gunner to be healer and I'm gonna go cry in a sad corner, or drink delicious tears on the forum if it is a dps xD (waiting my dps gunner since 1.0, kind of a long wait).

On a side note, there is probably going to be even more nice surprises than this :p after all it's the japanese fan festival :D

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I'll totally play it either way! I love my bard so much and all but for some reason I just can't help but to want to play gunner when it's out regardless of the role!

Some deep, dark part of my heart hopes Yoshi-P is just hyper trolling everyone and it turns out the new class isn't gun-related at all. Just so I could bathe in the tears and laugh. http://www.dutchgrammar.com/forum/im...ilies/evil.gif

...Meanwhile, some tiny part of my heart that actually has light shining in it hopes that it's a healer. Or maybe a gunner base class with DPS/Heal job branches. We can't have only two healing jobs forever! C'mon, SE. T_T

Super excited for the new race and the new class. Hoping for a surprise, like 3rd class announcement.

Also, can't wait for the Primals concert.

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

msk was a promise of tanaka... not yoshida, he did only said that a gunner class/jobs was needed, never he did mention msk. that player that still asking for msk.

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what i think:
Gunner = japanese name
Musketeer = english name

Also, if Yoshida didn't promise Musketeer, why is then still the Musketeer logo on the Coral Tower banner?
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...oral_Tower.png

a lot of thing did change since the release... like the fact that they plan some change for the class system, the best example is the drk without class... then don't hold your breath a lot about this. like the idea of two jobs from one class, he did say that they didn't plan to do anymore...

people need to forget the musketeer and be happy to anything that will be added.

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Originally Posted by Felis

what i think:
Gunner = japanese name
Musketeer = english name

Also, if Yoshida didn't promise Musketeer, why is then still the Musketeer logo on the Coral Tower banner?
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/image...oral_Tower.png

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All will be revealed Saturday! :D

Only an hour and a half til it gets started. You know they saved the best for last for the JP fans. Expecting to finally reveal the gun wielding class and possibly one more class. Or at least drop a hint for another one like samurai. Would be nice to get some info on af2. Also expect for them to start talking about 2.5 and what to expect from it.

As someone else pointed out I'm pretty confident Gunner/Musketeer/whatever will be coming to the game at one point. Main reason is the Musketeer icon on the Coral Tower banner, it's been the guild for Musketeer since 1.0 day one. If SE had no intention of bringing it to the game, why keep it there after rebuilding the game for ARR?

I'm possible inciting violence against me, but I'm dreading a gun healer/scientific healer/chemist/alchemist as a healer. Call me old fashioned, but when I think of guns, I don't think of anything life saving... unless you're trying to kill your enemy before they do any damage.

Because it was already there..why change it..:D Any way just a place holder post for a random picture/gif when anything of importance to me is announce.