Battle Music Packs/DLC

Dear Devs,

I love all the remixes of previous FF titles in this game.
They manage to be altered enough to feel "original" to Eorzea but also are similar enough honor the games they are from.

That said...PLEASE add Selectable Music Tracks to this game.

My idea is like this:
Add a new Tab to the Sound Menu titled "Music"
This menu would allow us to choose music options such as:
Loop Zone BGM
No Zone BGM

Then a sub-section/tab titled:
"Themes"
This menu would then allow us to select BGM for the following scenarios:
Battle Themes:
Battle (La Noscea)
Battle (Thanalan)
Battle (The Black Shroud)
Battle (Coerthas)
Battle (Mor Dona)
Dungeon Battle (1-29)
Dungeon Battle (30-50)
Dungeon Boss (Currently: "A Fine Death")
Dungeon Final Boss (Currently: "Nemesis")
FATE (Regular)
FATE (Boss)
FATE (Raid) [Excluding iconic raids like Behemoth & Odin]
Garlean Leadership (Currently "Steel Reason") [Excluding Gaius van Baelsar]

- Mount Themes
(Option to have each mount have a unique theme.)

-Crafting Themes
Help add some extra flare to Crafting.
[Timber Owls (FF8), Various City Music from FF9]

- Fishing Themes
[Themes like: Fisherman's Horizon (FF8), Tifa's Theme. (FF7)]

Music Packs could be released as both Original & Remixes Volumes.
ex:
FFVIII Theme Pack - Original
FFVII Theme Pack - Remixed & Remastered

By Default I say everyone should get:
FFXIV 1.0 Theme Pack (Before Meteor OST)

The goal here isn't to ruin FF14s music. Just allow customization for the themes that feel played out to some players.
I personally enjoy FFXIII's Boss Battle BGM "Saber's Edge", FFX's Boss BGM "Enemy Attack", FFIX's Battle & Boss themes, & the list goes on.

Hell SE could add the BGM packs to the Cash Shop.
If anything it is PURE fluff & aesthetics and falls under the catagory of DLC by console gamer standards.
And having the ability to change BGM is not Pay to Win.

To help ease why I feel this would make more sense in the Cash Shop:
Remixing & Remastering Music is costly & time consuming. Seeing as it would take lots of time & effort.
I'm a cheapskate, I would love to have FREE Music packs, but realistically I can't see it happening for free.

I would love to see the packs unlocked/rewarded for doing In-game events for the respective FF they come from however seeing the backlash Lightning Strikes & Burgeoning Dread had...I doubt any more cross-over/fanfare events will happen.

Addendum:
I chose General, because I have only played: FF1, FF6 (half of it) - FF14
I am no Music guru as a result, and I thought it would nice to see what Tracks other players might think up.
I already submitted the idea via In-game Suggestion Feedback.

Edit Note 1:
Changed thread title & realigned suggestion to 100% Cash Shop supporting.
(Due to the rude replies. If you're going to flame me, I might as well justify your flames.)
Edit 2:
Expanded reasoning, and explained why I chose General.

Please be joking. Especially that last part.

Hey, they can start adding raids with no textures from now on. Then they can start selling texture packs for like 10 dollars for each turn/floor/section. Players can still the enemy shapes and aoe indicators and stuff even if it's all white with pink backgrounds or something. They're not required to win the raid.

It'll be pure fluff.

While it's a good idea, especially for people who really dislike the current direction of the music in this game people like this that spins a decent idea into a..well:

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Originally Posted by Gardes

Hey, they can start adding raids with no textures from now on. Then they can start selling texture packs for like 10 dollars for each turn/floor/section. Players can still the enemy shapes and aoe indicators and stuff even if it's all white with pink backgrounds or something. They're not required to win the raid.

It'll be pure fluff.

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Are why the ideas never get taken seriously. I would love to be able to get a DLC or Music pack for more of XIV 1.x's music because there's a good chance they'll never bring back the music that actually felt more..Final Fantasy even if didn't seem like it fit, when you actually sit and listen to the battle theme, field theme and guild leve theme for each area (yes this was a thing) it really put the world together.

Its called use a media player. Every PC has one. Or was that "master race" thing a lie?

Not everyone is a PC gamer. And even with media player the music cannot change for every event.
I don't know a single person who likes the current Final Dungeon Boss BGM.
I personally and burned out the default Battle bgm.

My god people...folks keeps saying they want variety yet when folks make suggestions you attack them blindly.
This is why you can't have nice things.

The 1 thing I remember multiple folks liking about the FFXIII & FFXI events was the music. So why not have an option to use it in game?
Finally. To hell with you all. The post is aimed at the Devs, I posted in General so folks could suggest/add FF titles that had BGM they enjoyed.

Customizable music is fine but please, nothing in the Cash Shop. Theatrhythm was bad enough.

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Originally Posted by Defias

My god people...folks keeps saying they want variety yet when folks make suggestions you attack them blindly.
This is why you can't have nice things.

The 1 thing I remember multiple folks liking about the FFXIII & FFXI events was the music. So why not have an option to use it in game?
Finally. To hell with you all. The post is aimed at the Devs, I posted in General so folks could suggest/add FF titles that had BGM they enjoyed.

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I'm sure everyone would love more music and variety.

I think you'll find most people are objecting to your IMMEDIATE plea to put it in the cash shop. Why was that necessary? Why not just ask for more music options?

If SE decide to put it in the shop, that sucks but so be it.

But right from the start, "PLEASE, TAKE OUR MONEY, HERE'S HOW"

Just...why?

I'm aware I ramble a bit in this, but bear with me if you decide to read it all. TL;DR is the gist lol.

I'm not exactly against being able to customize music for each zone, but I'd rather not see music packs as DLC at all. Such DLC works fine for multi-series games like Dissidia FF and Theathrhythm FF, but not for an MMO with it's own soundtrack.

I am aware of the fact that we have a few reworks of past FF music that isn't the Prelude, Main Theme of FF, or the Chocobo theme (such as themes used in Labyrinth of the Ancients/Syrcus Tower, and Battle on the Big Bridge) and one direct rip from another game (FF6 boss battle). This isn't counting the music used for special events (LR:FFXIII, FFXI, and Dragon Quest).

Each of the reworked/reused songs used served a specific purpose. For example; the reworked CT musics are there because it's based on the final areas of Final Fantasy III, the music is memorable and nostalgic for some. The Crystal Tower theme itself is fairly well known in the series, despite it not being used in multiple games (to my knowledge), it's kind of one of those "we had to" moments I think. Another example is Battle on the Big Bridge. It is one of the most well known themes from Final Fantasy, and it's essentially Gilgamesh's theme. To not use the theme would be a disappointment to the fans for that very reason, as Gilgamesh is a recurring character in the Final Fantasy series and the theme has been reworked on multiple occasions.

This is in contrast to the themes used from FFXI, FFXIII, and DQ, as they were event specific. The tracks were used nowhere else in the game and only resurfaced when the events were relaunched. Personally, I'd rather not have them be used again unless an event using those games again is made.

Then there's the original FF6 boss battle theme in the game. The purpose was mainly to make people nostalgic for a silly fight in the Hildibrand storyline. I would have preferred a rework like the other themes got, but I'd be lying if I wasn't extremely happy when the theme started playing.

If we were able to say, select certain boss music for specific fights, it kind of renders the point of the music chosen for the boss moot. I'm well aware of how tiresome music can become. And while I do like the theme for the final boss of a dungeon, I have grown tired of it. But still, I'd rather new compositions be written for future dungeons and fights rather than just be given the option to replace X theme with Y theme.

It's kind of the same thing with replacing other songs in the game. What reason is there for Tifa's theme to be used as a fishing theme (using your example)? What reason is there for it to be in the game? I think the only way the theme would make an appearance is if Tifa shows up in an FF7 related event. Perhaps Fisherman's Horizon could make an appearance (seeing as how they used FF2's battle theme in a couple story battles), but regardless, in most cases the reused music has had reason to be in the game.

What would be the purpose for older FF music showing up (even as DLC)? Simply just to replace the current themes made specifically for FFXIV? What would be the point of composing new music for FFXIV when people can just place another theme over it with an in game option when they can recycle so much music?

TL;DR

I'm not against a BGM selector for certain types of content, but I'm not for it either. I personally probably wouldn't use the BGM selector if we got one.

Regarding Cash Shop: I'd rather new compositions be written for the game over having DLC packs containing music from past games (even if remixed). DLC music seems like a VERY bad idea for the game. Currently, the majority of recycled music served specific purposes (Battle on the Big Bridge = Gilgamesh fight, FFXIII music specifically for FFXIII related content) and is included with the content given to us because of our monthly service payments.

And if we get more recycled music, it should have good reason to be there. The only FF themes I can currently see returning with a justified reason are the Gold Saucer theme (+ possible minigames) and more Final Fantasy III CT music (specifically the final boss theme and the Dark World theme, possibly Eureka's theme as well) since they're coming relatively soon.

The music in this game is a masterpiece. With all possible respect, asking for it to be changed is insulting, in my opinion. I loved 1.0 music too (all FF titles for that matter), but 1.0 is no more. Eorzea has changed, and with it came a new atmosphere. The music is just an integral part of the story as the visual picture is. Sound Director Soken has and continues to do an outstanding job on FFXIV.

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for people who really dislike the current direction of the music in this game

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Art is in the eye of the beholder. But for real? How?

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I don't know a single person who likes the current Final Dungeon Boss BGM.

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What's the current expert dungeon boss BGM? Beneath Bloodied Banners from 1.0, right? That one is great, you're high.

Firstly, there are only 3 previous Final Fantasy battle themes remixed in FF XIV:
bgm_event_clashonthebigbridge.scd which is the music from FF V, playing during the Gilgamesh Trial Duty Finder of the same name. I love it.
bgm_event_orthros.scd which is the theme playing during Dragon's Neck Coliseum (fight with Ultros & Typhoon in the trial of the same name) That's FF VI's Boss Battle theme. Pretty sweet but a bit short.
bgm_event_ff2bossbattle.scd & bgm_fate_ff2.scd are the same FF II theme. Used in some FATEs. Sounds more like a joke theme than anything.

Secondly, screw your Cash Shop suggestion.
In WoW and some other Blizzard titles, and IIRC some other oldschool games you could unpack and/or not even need to, to access music files, eventually even pasting your own int he same file format and naming structure to have those played instead...
Since they said they gonna release their API for addons in the future maybe we can dream... Music file here is SCD file format which is the same as in FF XI and FF XIII. It's just an OGG container.

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Originally Posted by Defias

I don't know a single person who likes the current Final Dungeon Boss BGM.
Finally. To hell with you all. The post is aimed at the Devs, I posted in General so folks could suggest/add FF titles that had BGM they enjoyed.

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I like the boss themes, all of them, especially the one you here in every low level dungeon.
People are not upset about the idea of adding an option to change the music you hear in places but are against the idea of adding it to the cash shop. If you did not suggest adding stuff to the cash shop then nobody would be upset. I love the coil boss theme but I agree that it would be nice to change it to something like Gilgamesh or Leviathans theme every now and they for variety, just not if it includes me paying real world money for a feature.

The only good songs in my opinion are the battle song used in the hydra fight. And shiva ' s song. All other songs are not pleasing to me.

I would like to have limsa's 1.0 battle theme to be my default battle music.

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

The only good songs in my opinion are the battle song used in the hydra fight. And shiva ' s song. All other songs are not pleasing to me.

I would like to have limsa's 1.0 battle theme to be my default battle music.

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For me best BGM is Praetorium especially Ultima weapon, turn 12 and 13 of coil battle music is pretty awesome. turn 13 Boss music is totally my fave now (used to be ultima).

Shiva, I love the music from the first half, 2nd half? Nooooooo! too cheesey XD an operatic score would have been better in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by ChiiSoSeriouz

Art is in the eye of the beholder. But for real? How?

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Majority of the tracks are single 30 second or so loops - The battle theme is the same theme with different instruments. They even butchered down some songs to a short loop from 1.0 to use in ARR. For example Phantoms on the Lake was a true masterpiece of a battle theme, it not only fit Mor Dohna perfectly, but it was sequenced in such a way you can tell it was designed with boss fights in mind as by time you're in the peak of battle it transitions over, rather than hearing the initial first section of the song.

You said yourself, it's subjective, you find it a 'masterpiece' and wonder how anyone cannot, that goes against saying it's subjective.

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Originally Posted by Brannigan

What's the current expert dungeon boss BGM? Beneath Bloodied Banners from 1.0, right? That one is great, you're high.

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The current ex ones are the original boss theme from XIV 1.0, satasha is Beaneath Bloodied Banners and in the case of Snowcloak, the battle theme from Coerthas.

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Originally Posted by Defias

Not everyone is a PC gamer. And even with media player the music cannot change for every event.
I don't know a single person who likes the current Final Dungeon Boss BGM.
I personally and burned out the default Battle bgm.

My god people...folks keeps saying they want variety yet when folks make suggestions you attack them blindly.
This is why you can't have nice things.

The 1 thing I remember multiple folks liking about the FFXIII & FFXI events was the music. So why not have an option to use it in game?
Finally. To hell with you all. The post is aimed at the Devs, I posted in General so folks could suggest/add FF titles that had BGM they enjoyed.

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The problem isn't that you posted in general about this topic. The problem is you getting defensive because others don't agree with you. Secondly its unbecoming of you to assume that others don't like the current themes. Maybe you yourself do not like them, and maybe everybody you come into contact via the game feels the same way. However, here in general most people will tell you what is on their minds.

To my point, this is FFXIV not FFXI or any other version of the FF franchise. This game was developed as a stand alone game. So I can see why SE would pay homage to previous games, but not outright adding in scores of previous music. The intent I think is to develop something entirely different. Before you go on the defensive I am not mocking your request of nice things, but some of us already think that what we have is nice. Also I don't post in these forums often, but one thing I know for sure is the Cash shop thing is a big no no to most of the community. Also from the previous post most are not disagreeing with you on having more music. They are just disagreeing with the cash shop idea you mentioned.

Last if you aimed this at the devs you should have probably posted this in a suggestion section of the forums.

Regards ~

DX11 update for 25 dollars/euro in the Cash Shop.

Make it happen, SE!!

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Originally Posted by Hyunckel

Firstly, there are only 3 previous Final Fantasy battle themes remixed in FF XIV:
bgm_event_clashonthebigbridge.scd which is the music from FF V, playing during the Gilgamesh Trial Duty Finder of the same name. I love it.
bgm_event_orthros.scd which is the theme playing during Dragon's Neck Coliseum (fight with Ultros & Typhoon in the trial of the same name) That's FF VI's Boss Battle theme. Pretty sweet but a bit short.
bgm_event_ff2bossbattle.scd & bgm_fate_ff2.scd are the same FF II theme. Used in some FATEs. Sounds more like a joke theme than anything.

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That's actually incorrect - there is far more than just 'three' tracks from previous FF games - naturally the three you mentioned are the obvious examples, but there are far more than just these three:

Battle I from FFII (Nobuo Uematsu) - remixed as Battle 1.X by Masayoshi Soken and used as a special battle theme in various places in the game
The Decisive Battle from FFVI (Nobuo Uematsu) - original version used in the Ultros and Typhon battle, as you stated
Battle With Gilgamesh/Clash on the Big Bridge from FFV (Nobuo Uematsu) - remixed as Battle on the Big Bridge Reborn by Masayoshi Soken and used fittingly in the Gilgamesh battle

Here's some more earlier FF themes you've missed (several are not actually battle themes, but I included them because they're used as such here in FFXIV):

The Altar Cave from FFIII (Nobuo Uematsu), remixed by Masayoshi Soken, Nobuko Toda and Yoshitaka Suzuki (Film Score) as two different styled tracks used in the Labyrinth of the Ancients (Hubris and Ever Upward)
Battle II from FFIII (Nobuo Uematsu) - remixed as Tumbling Down by Masayoshi Soken, Nobuko Toda and Yoshitaka Suzuki, and used as the 'final' boss theme in both the Labyrinth of the Ancients and Syrcus Tower (fittingly)
The Crystal Tower from FFIII (Nobuo Uematsu) - remixed by Masayoshi Soken (the exact title of this remix is unknown), and is used as Syrcus Tower's theme
Feast of the Ladies from FFXI ~ A Shantotto Ascension (Naoshi Mizuta) - remixed by Mizuta slightly as Reign of Pain, and used during the FATE for the FFXI crossover event
Blinded by Light from FFXIII (Masashi Hamauzu) - original version used during the FATE battles for the FFXIII crossover event
Sabre's Edge from FFXIII (Masashi Hamauzu) - original version used during the FATE battles for the FFXIII crossover event
Fat Chocobo's Appearence from FFIV (Nobuo Uematsu) - remixed by Masaysohi Soken and fittingly used as Fat Chocobo's mount theme

And that's to say nothing about the return of various 1.0 battle themes as well, like Primal Judgement, Nemesis, Phantoms on the Lake and Beneath Bloodied Banners. But I digress...

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Originally Posted by Hyunckel

Music file here is SCD file format which is the same as in FF XI and FF XIII. It's just an OGG container.

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Uh, I have no idea about FFXIII's music files, but FFXI's music file format was actually .bgw (in fact, the filenames when updating the game clearly listed them as such). Technically it was a form of wave file which meant you could technically drop in another music file in .wav format renamed with a .bgw extension as the actual FFXI file it was to replace, but often it wouldn't cue properly (and several files would crash the game, such the one for the Mog House BGM). FFXI literally had folders full of literal music files which was not very secure (and hence were easily pirated, which is the reason for the change to the system used now in FFXIV which is not as easy to access. But it hasn't stopped determined hackers from datamining the music files and gaining access to them sadly).

Thank you for the info!

The themes I was referencing were: "A Fine Death" <---Normal Dungeon Mini-Boss Theme.
And the theme that most folks in-game have seem to dislike is: "Nemesis"
That said...Nemesis fits some boss battles, but it feels less climatic then "A Fine Death"

I assume it's because A Fine Death hits the right notes, cries of excitement, desperation, with a touch of the Crystal Jingle famous is all FFs.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

That's actually incorrect - there is far more than just 'three' tracks from previous FF games (several are not actually battle themes, but I included them because they're used as such here in FFXIV)

And that's to say nothing about the return of various 1.0 battle themes as well

FFXI literally had folders full of literal music files which was not very secure (and hence were easily pirated, which is the reason for the change to the system used now in FFXIV which is not as easy to access. But it hasn't stopped determined hackers from datamining the music files and gaining access to them sadly).

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Yeah I somehow missed FF III's battle theme used in Crystal Tower... I've only been there 5 times lol. And didn't play FF III since a loooong time ago (It was just a blang rpg imo)

I didn't play any FF game after X. Didn't play XI, XIV 1.0 & XII since I've read awful reviews about those games. XIII still feel like a new game for me, I don't have a PS2 anymore, nor do I plan on purchasing a PS3/4.

But I'm pretty sure the topic name is BATTLE MUSIC PACKS DLC... Environmental themes are not on topic.

I may have confused XI with XIV 1.0 music files, since for me both were MMORPG to avoid like plague (after reading multiple reviews at the time)

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You can get the FFXIV 1.0 songs from an old installation... they are under the folder "SquareEnix/FINAL FANTASY XIV/data/07/FE/0/". Rename the various files to .scd and they will swap in

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It's probably sad that XIV 1.0's music files were pirated (never listened to that soundtrack) but the topic here is about changing musics you dislike hearing. Not about pirating files and uploading them on pirate bay or w/e is the new hipster pirating website nowadays

About datamining: It's thanks to datamining that database websites exist. Or that people actually bother putting up screenshots of relics WAY before people get them.