Fishing and how it..

Made me platinum freaking mad.

I've been fishing fairly casual/hardcore (variating) since late 2.2 after friends often suggesting it. In 2.3 SE stealth-nerfed the desynthesis difficulty of majority of the fish that had anything worthwhile from desynthesis and as such I managed to make a small profit on my server for being among the first to notice and take advantage of it. Nothing big really as I didn't fish 24/7 and I knew an oversaturated market would just ruin it anyway (which happened anyway within a week or two because Moogle market is absolutely horrible).

Anyway I calmed down with fishing a bit, kept to getting my supra and BiS accessories and occasionally going for the big fishes for the log, doing it on a zone to zone basis to keep it easy to keep track of and at a decent pace. Nothing could go wrong right?

Well wrong, it turns out some fishes in La Noscean zones are designed to really REALLY aggravate you and boy did they succeed. First it was the Cupfish in Lower La Noscea. I thought the rain exclusive fish, Syldra, would become the trouble for this zone but boy was I wrong. Cupfish took me months to catch and I went to fish for it in its 3ingame hr window several times almost every day assuming I had time between Coil, real life and well, sleep. Absolutely horrible. But I persevered, I figured nothing else could be worse. (I started to fish for it in 2.3 and didn't catch it until a week before 2.45.)

I approach 100% completion on all La Noscean zones (and unfortunately only around 50 big fish due to my casual approach, I notice the Syldra with its Rain in Lower La Noscea is going to be a pain I think because Rain is quite rare, however when I finally went to fish for it when rain showed up, I caught FIVE in that single window and not a single one got a way. Neat I thought, it gave me hope that fishing isn't as horrible as Cupfish showed it to be.

But no. Enter the Terpsichorean in Eastern La Noscea. This crab has single handedly made me hate everything about fishing and whoever has designed fishing to work like it does. Constant fish gets away messages, super rare weather requirement and generally really rare to even hook? Terpsichorean is by far the worst thing I've encountered and I've fished a fair amount of the SUPPOSEDLY harder to get fishes like Aetherlouse (before SE nerfed it to hell in 2.4), Frilled Shark, the housing region fishes and pre-supra Olgoi Khorkoi (without FC buff). Nothing beats Terpsichorean.

And to make matters even worse, the fish guide entry for Terpsichorean claims the thing isn't even rare. Then why is it that Fog only shows up in Eastern La Noscea ONCE every 24-48 RL hours and the thing either never bites or always gets away? I'm really REALLY ******' mad right now about this crab because I've been at it for weeks, eagerly awaiting that Fog only to get laughed at non-stop. This IS NOT A GOOD DESIGN.

I've had it bite 7 times total out of 4+ windows now over several weeks and all of them have gotten away. I really really hate this thing and I hate everything about it and whoever designed this aspect of fishing needs to sit down and be forced to fish for this and some other big for two weeks straight and see how fun it is.

/rant Had to let this out after yet another fog window with no dumb crab in my inventory.

tl;dr
The Terpsichorean is literally the best/worst example of why fishing in its current form is in dire need of redesign and should be less to put it bluntly; retarded.

I mad.

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not to sound like a troll, but maybe stop fishing? At least for a little while. I find when I get upset at something, weather it be wiping on a new boss, farming atma, FATEs for animus books, hunts, farming dungeons for gear, trying to craft that 3*, etc. I simply do something else for a while. Can be a day, a week or a month. Who cares if u miss a fog patch because you are mining? Go get the next one when you aren't so busy and I bet you catch it quicker than u thought.

Pretty much agree with ColdHearted's approach. It's what I did to keep from entirely giving up on fishing. Terp certainly is bad. Hell, many of the Big Fish behave similarly. I had to break 370 gathering before I could land The Matriarch or Old Softie. Meanwhile I caught ten Ninja Betta, so go figure. Keep on trucking, bud.

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Originally Posted by ColdHearted

not to sound like a troll, but maybe stop fishing? At least for a little while. I find when I get upset at something, weather it be wiping on a new boss, farming atma, FATEs for animus books, hunts, farming dungeons for gear, trying to craft that 3*, etc. I simply do something else for a while. Can be a day, a week or a month. Who cares if u miss a fog patch because you are mining? Go get the next one when you aren't so busy and I bet you catch it quicker than u thought.

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I would do this if Big Fish didn't become a requirement to progress with fishing now with the new rod from achievements. It also doesn't help that as I said, Fog is really rare, depending on how I'm online and not doing other things, it's between 24-48 real life hours to even see it which is insane for a single weather effect. I know the 2.4 fishes have similar rare weather requirements with weather transitions, but at the same time it seems SE changed the weather rotations to accommodate for it (hence the frequent triple weather chains now) but Fog was either made more rare, or is intentionally that rare, in which case the fish needing it should not, like Syldra isn't that rare once it rains in Lower La Noscea, there is a clear disconnect between requirement and result and it shouldn't exist.

What's the point of meeting the overly costly and time consuming FSH requirement if the fish itself is an obnoxious time sink with literally no logic, sanity or reward behind it? It makes getting the gear pointless and just feel like a waste when it should be the opposite.

Edit: Even the game is taunting me now, 2 more to the count of get aways and a HA HA FUNNY ACHIEVEMENT. I have all the reasons to be mad right now and the devs behind this can shove a large camel spider crab up their rears.
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on average fog appears ~2 times per day, that aside:

dont focus on a single fish, I bet there are still plenty of other big fish which you havent caught, there are always several windows open
try to catch whatever is open and dont mind about specific ones, there are maaany fish around which are far worse than terpi

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

on average fog appears ~2 times per day, that aside:

dont focus on a single fish, I bet there are still plenty of other big fish which you havent caught, there are always several windows open
try to catch whatever is open and dont mind about specific ones, there are maaany fish around which are far worse than terpi

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Again missing the point that it doesn't matter if there are other fish to catch (I am going for them occasionally). Fog is rare enough that I clearly don't spend all my time in Eastern La Noscea but I go there when it finally does show up as there's no reason NOT to when I NEED to catch it to get the Ironworks Rod. There's no stupid "haha wait til later XD" excuse viable for this. Also it's gotten away TWELVE FUCKING TIMES NOW. How is that even remotely acceptable? No fish can possibly be worse than this. Feast of Famine fish need not apply because they aren't needed for Ironworks rod.

you will catch it sooner or later if you just focus on the fish which are available, there are plenty of fish with 5% weather conditiond and even worse 5% followed by 20% and things like that

Try using the Pray emote at each of the twelve's symbols. If it could (Almost) stop behamut It's bound to... at least give you a new reason to curse the twelve.

In all seriousness though, just take a break. I get the same woes hunting the other 9 atmas that I need for my 1st atma relic. And you need a total of 132 atmas to get all the relics so I certanly aint hurrying.

Dare I mention Forager's gear?

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

Dare I mention Forager's gear?

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This is a silly mention. The effect of increased gathering to prevent 3-star fish to escape is abysmal if it even has an effect at all. That said I have 375 gathering unbuffed which is the cap without food/FC buff and Ironworks Rod, 399 with food, 409 with food&FC (which I never have) and it escaped me SEVENTEEN times before I caught it. Terpsichorean is a 2.3 crab meaning foragers gear didn't exist and just in general I'm even unbuffed way above the gathering requirement for it, it just has a stupid high rate of escape for literally no other reason than to annoy you. Judging by comments on other fish however it's not alone in this regard as Green Jester & The Matriarch seems to have similar issues like this. HOWEVER neither have a dumb weather requirement attached as well meaning I can just go whenever I feel like it without having to wait for a specific weather.

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you will catch it sooner or later if you just focus on the fish which are available, there are plenty of fish with 5% weather conditiond and even worse 5% followed by 20% and things like that

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If you mean Mahar/Shonisaurus/Helicoprion I'm well aware of the rare weather requirements (if you remember I posted about catching Mahar in the first few days of 2.4 coming out in the Big Fish 2.4 Speculation thread). But I'm also aware that once that weather requirement hits, it's incredibly unlikely that either Mahar or Shonisaurus escapes you SEVENTEEN TIMES (can't speak for Helicoprion, it just seems he bites rarely is all). Hell most people report catching Shonisaurus in the first window they finally try and fish for it with the necessary stats. Shonisaurus is also not a requirement to catch to get the Ironworks Rod, however if you have a FC that is willing to put up a +perception/gathering buff for you, you may as well go for the legendary fish in replacement for dumb shit like Terpsichorean just to get the 106 big fish achievement in the first place. That in itself is a really horrible design. Why should an achievement be easier to get with the "supposedly" hardest fish to catch over previous patches fishes? Oh wait, it shouldn't. Terpsichorean and any other fish with similar stupid escape rates are just pure bad design and shouldn't exist, simple as that.

man, u are an angry fisherman! When I fish I just cast a line and drink some beer :P

I have to Aggree, Fishing is really frustrating ! Fishes get away way to often. It isnt enough that you have the 2% chance of catching one along with weather requirement and on many fishes double and triple mooch, and on top of that on some fish have a small 2 min fisher intuition window, no thats not enough the fishes get away more then they dont of the time. Frustrating yes, fun no!

Yea this game is replete with RNG you just need to get used to it. I just take it one fishing session at a time.

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Originally Posted by Laladyn

I have to Aggree, Fishing is really frustrating ! Fishes get away way to often. It isnt enough that you have the 2% chance of catching one along with weather requirement and on many fishes double and triple mooch, and on top of that on some fish have a small 2 min fisher intuition window, no thats not enough the fishes get away more then they dont of the time. Frustrating yes, fun no!

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So there I was with my fisher alt in Cape Westwind. Second time ever I see that message while fishing.

I'm going to mooch or double mooch Pirate's Bane in 2 minuets? Instantly HQ goby. Normal hit.... HQ Wahoo! But its also in the titanic sawfish window....

Pirate's Bane!!!! /dance

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

So there I was with my fisher alt in Cape Westwind. Second time ever I see that message while fishing.

I'm going to mooch or double mooch Pirate's Bane in 2 minuets? Instantly HQ goby. Normal hit.... HQ Wahoo! But its also in the titanic sawfish window....

Pirate's Bane!!!! /dance

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Congrats!

As an update, I now have my Ironworks Rod and Master Caster title, there's a few fish that still elude me (Kuno for Feast of Famine being the main one right now because of the ridiculous double mooch requirements, even a 25min buff doesn't make it fair) and frankly, it's obvious that FSH is not for the casual (if you want to get the big fish) and over half of the big fish don't feel like SE balanced them at all when considering time of day, weather and possible buff/mooch requirements. I could name several fish that are outright insane outside the ones I've already have here and in another thread in the DoL subsection but overall I would say Coerthas is by far the worst zone when it comes to this.

That said, I sure can't wait for 2.5 for SE to ruin FSH some more, seems every patch makes it worse in some way but I'll keep on going and keep on /fuming because it's apparently what SE wants from FSH :)

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Originally Posted by Shadygrove

So there I was with my fisher alt in Cape Westwind. Second time ever I see that message while fishing.

I'm going to mooch or double mooch Pirate's Bane in 2 minuets? Instantly HQ goby. Normal hit.... HQ Wahoo! But its also in the titanic sawfish window....

Pirate's Bane!!!! /dance

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Pirate's Bane ? it only took me 2 stack of worms and I slaughted a lot of silver sharks and theirs family too

I actually like the heavy rng of fishing and find it to be very healthy for me.

I love to hate rng, but I don't have to move around everywhere and compete with other people like FATE camping for animus or atma.

Rng without competiton is so much fun.

Ive gone with 399 gathering trying to get Faerie Queen up by Moraby bay. 13 bites, 13 "fish got away".

Some of these are frusterating as hell, lol...

It is why no one plays FSH apart from those that have datamined the hell out of it and have it down to a fine art due to third party applications, whereas the regular FSH player is "WTF"

I already see players with their famous Ironworks Rod. Tough, but not impossible. XD