Crossdressing.

This is something that has been in the game since its start: Male/Female specific clothing.
And while I can see the reason on certain garments, ones more revealing or shaped specifically for that gender, what I cannot see is disallowing a male character to wear a dress, or even a proper skirt. We have one skirt option, the "plain long skirt," and I think the name alone says how little this really means. What I would like is for this to go further, dresses, namely. For one, Hildebrand has shown that males can indeed wear a woman-suited dress, why not allow actual player characters to express themselves even more powerfully. My goal with this post here, is to open up the glamours that have been slowly being added to FFXIV up for both genders. As it is there is more favor toward females, more stunning designs in dresses, especially the gowns from the Eternal Bond. Male on male, and female on female marriage is allowed.. why can't we pick and choose what we'd like to wear for our partners?

EDIT: The post this was in response to has been deleted.
You bring up valid arguments, but I have counter arguments.
One: True gender identity: This comes down to a mainly RP standpoint, but affects real life as well. What if the character is, say, male by birth and identifies as female? Not even to mention that there are more than two genders. Agendered people exist, and can easily have their own representation ingame by simply removing restrictions on wearing certain pieces of gear.
Two: Guessing the gender of the character: Should this really matter more than the player of that character wishes? If they choose to present themselves as, say, a male lalafell in a dress, why should it matter to others what their actual gender is? Just look at the cute lalafell in a dress. If you really do need to know, there's nothing stopping you from kindly PMing the player of that character to find out.
Three: It's disgusting: This is opinion, which you are fully entitled to, but does not present a valid argument against it.

Update, it's possible to get close... but it's still no wedding gown.
http://i.gyazo.com/185361a17fa60bcf499b86bb30efc533.png

I'm definitely not against cross dressing. However, Eorzea is a different world with a different outlook on characterization. There seems to be a line drawn when it comes to identifying as a male or female, and as a Japanese game, their culture is pretty evident in the game. Hildebrand clothed in a dress was for comic relief, nothing more. Even the weddings can't truly be considered LGBT, as the Dev team has very specifically steered away from "Marriage" to a generic "Bonding." Being a video game, FFXIV has been very forward thinking, and compromised due to the collective fan base's requests. There's still a long way to go in the real world when it comes to gender equality, a MMORPG isn't going to be the groundbreaking civil rights leader.

That being said, that dress is fabulous. But I doubt wielding an axe in a dungeon wearing that garb would be easy, tripping over the hem every time you throw up a berserk.

I agree with you Rahcel. No reason why in this day and age we should have "male" or "female" specific gear. If I wanna be a fabulous princess then I should be able to. However, I think it's more of an issue of clipping and animating then it is Square being against our freedom. Certain outfits just weren't created for the male character bodies.

100% agreed, gender restrictions on clothing in FINAL FANTASY? Do you even FF Square? The series is famous for highly vibrant and colorful clothing on both their female and male characters.

I don't entirely understand your argument about transgender characters, but you know, I don't have to... I just have to agree (and I do) that people should be able to play their characters the way they choose, and should have cross-dressing options if they want them.

ummm also there is a certain boss in coil who ends up being not what they seem... not being specific because don't want to spoil others story progression

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

FFXIV has been very forward thinking, and compromised due to the collective fan base's requests. There's still a long way to go in the real world when it comes to gender equality, a MMORPG isn't going to be the groundbreaking civil rights leader.

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This guy put it very well. IMHO this is a game. The devs aren't politicians nor some civil/human rights leader. We should really keep these issues out of the game and enjoy the game, as a game, period. Stop making the devs "wasting" their time to even ponder about these tacky political issues when they should focus more on developing the game and gameplay. The fight is in the real world to fight for real world rights which is where we want it to happen and where the value is at. Having all your LGBT whatever rights in a game have no meaning when there is none in the real world.

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Originally Posted by Ooshima

Stop making the devs "wasting" their time to even ponder about these tacky political issues when they should focus more on developing the game and gameplay.

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They took Miqo'te butts so that we could have male Miqo'te and female Roe. That strongly implies, if not a common model, at least a certain commonality of proportion. Given that commonality, it would take all of... what? Fifteen minutes per outfit? To develop a male version. I don't think it would be time wasted, though I do acknowledge that there would probably be a smaller number of male characters wearing "female" clothing than vice-versa, simply because modern culture does still place a stigma on dressing "like a girl."

I for one am not keen on seeing, for example, male Roegadyn in wedding dresses or what have you, as such I'm glad there are certain gender restrictions in place.

Well Put! My character is a gay male... In RL, I am also a gay male. While I am in game what I am out of the game it is still Roleplaying for me. Aztoth is not alot like the real me.
The way others build their characters doesn't matter to anyone other than themselves. If a person catcalls you in game, say thanks and keep going. Or if so inclined, stop and make a friend or possible Bonding Mate.

Cross dressing sounds like a fun idea. It'll be just like Final Fantasy 7 when cloud cross dressed. lol :3

I for one am playing as a lady right now, and I would love to wear Clouds or Cids outfit, or the butler outfit I got from Amazon. It's a real shame that I can't put those on.

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I would love to wear Clouds outfit

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I believe females can already wear clouds outfit.

Females can wear all the veteran reward gear, even though they belonged to male characters in their respective game.

As a female, I find myself generally preferring the male versions of certain gear (Explorer's and Highhouse gear is much nicer on guys! I would love those!), so from my standpoint as a female, it sucks. There is also the weird fact girls have way more options than guys for some reason, most due to masculine gear sets being unisex, while the feminine version is female only.

And really, we should be able to freely express ourselves with our avatars. Gender locked gear is just arbitrary.

The worst that could happen is he wears those heels better than me.

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Originally Posted by Eggnook24

That being said, that dress is fabulous. But I doubt wielding an axe in a dungeon wearing that garb would be easy, tripping over the hem every time you throw up a berserk.

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I dye it red and glamored to my warrior.

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Originally Posted by Sainya

ummm also there is a certain boss in coil who ends up being not what they seem... not being specific because don't want to spoil others story progression

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iirc that's a translation/continuity error. When said character was first introduced, details on their gender was ambiguous, and the English language lacks a proper gender neutral pronoun. So they were referred to one gender for a pretty decent chunk of time, and when it came time for the reveal, the translation team had to patch it up.

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Originally Posted by basketofseals

iirc that's a translation/continuity error. When said character was first introduced, details on their gender was ambiguous, and the English language lacks a proper gender neutral pronoun. So they were referred to one gender for a pretty decent chunk of time, and when it came time for the reveal, the translation team had to patch it up.

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All is explained in Encyclopedia Eorzea.

It really does suck that girls can't wear the upcoming Fanfest Tidus outfit. And in turn, that guys can't wear Yuna's Summoner Garb; nevermind the laundry list of other genderlocked outfits which generally skew towards fewer options for guys.

Likewise if they ever implement Female FF Protagonist Glamours, they should be made available to guys too.

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iirc that's a translation/continuity error. When said character was first introduced, details on their gender was ambiguous, and the English language lacks a proper gender neutral pronoun. So they were referred to one gender for a pretty decent chunk of time, and when it came time for the reveal, the translation team had to patch it up.

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I actually recently completed that story part and upon consulting with Urianger after he confirms that said character DID undergo a change of gender.

I have to admit, my thoughts about the whole thing is if you want wear female attire, then play a female character. I just get this vibe that the cross-dressing is more about making a statement towards gender equality than the game being more flexible with gender lock. In the real world, I am all for people being able to wear whatever the hell they want, so I can't figure out why I am so biased about it in-game. However, if the devs did remove the gender lock on gear, I wouldn't mind it at all. Some people will look hideous lol, but it's their choice.

This world isn't much different from the real world in the sense that desirable fashion, and fashionable options are heavily favored towards females. We still live in a world where guys are not supposed to be pretty, so please throw out any "it's 2016 arguments". Because of this, male attire remains more utilitarian than fashionable.

There is also the matter of aesthetics. Funny this comes up because it's making me think of the Weaver story line that I am currently on. I won't give any spoilers for those still getting through it, but those who know, know of a certain Lalafell who just has no clue. Point being that just because you can wear it, doesn't mean you should. So if this does ever change for us, I encourage the male characters to use female attire that complements their look.

This thread is from 2014... this is why necro bumping thread is bad, the circumstances that opened this thread might have changed, the people who commented here might have changed their opinion or might not be around anymore.

http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/umadori07...8/d86f1b7c.jpg

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Originally Posted by Terrini

I actually recently completed that story part and upon consulting with Urianger after he confirms that said character DID undergo a change of gender.

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The Encyclopedia Eorzea reveals that this is actually due to wide-spread misinformation, and that said character was in fact female all along.

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http://livedoor.blogimg.jp/umadori07...8/d86f1b7c.jpg

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Oh dear.....

You look amazing, OMG. Rock on!

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Originally Posted by Gemina

There is also the matter of aesthetics. Funny this comes up because it's making me think of the Weaver story line that I am currently on. I won't give any spoilers for those still getting through it, but those who know, know of a certain Lalafell who just has no clue. Point being that just because you can wear it, doesn't mean you should. So if this does ever change for us, I encourage the male characters to use female attire that complements their look.

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That bloody lalafell. I wanted to smack him one...

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O.o

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Your forum name is so appropriate to the context of that amazing photo you just posted.

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Originally Posted by Sagittarian

All is explained in Encyclopedia Eorzea.

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Admittedly, the explanation is entirely a retcon. A reason added after the fact to explain the matter. The post your quoted is a bit more accurate.

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I actually recently completed that story part and upon consulting with Urianger after he confirms that said character DID undergo a change of gender.

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That was just the translation team covering up an earlier mistake. That character was repeatedly referred to as one gender before it was revealed in English, and then when the reveal happened they'd learned that they were wrong the whole time. Originally that character was always referred to gender neutrally. There was no gender transformation originally.

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You look amazing, OMG. Rock on!

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LOL that's not me, that was from a jp ffxiv blog XD

I agree there should be less restrictions on gender locked items and other such items however I feel the best way to do this is have 2 models of each item that differ slightly to wether or not a male or female are whare in them much like the hempen underware sets chage depending on race or the primal gear how if the chest is on males is open and females is covered by a corset

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LOL that's not me, that was from a jp ffxiv blog XD

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Haha, well kudos to the person who created it, then!

Funny thing is that my character is actually a crossdresser. I just put that he stuffs his shirt since I imagined him to appear more lithe hence I must use a female model with the chest size at minimum. I wish we could customize the bodies better but maybe that could happen way later in XIV's age.

I'd think making gear that fits both sexes and look almost identical could save time, because you don't need to make the clothing models completely different. Making more outfits, feminine or masculine- fit both sexes and appear very similar or identical can actually be more lucrative in regards to time.

Edit: Fixed grammatical errors.

Can you please tell me what items you used? I would love to use this