Let me just leave this here.

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This is not my screen so copyright goes to Illen from Reddit.

I know, selling the items for ingame cash is optional, whiteknights eat me alive please.

ahahaha I like to watch the world burn this is a good way for gold farmer to scam more Gil for free and sell it to other player

Uh..

If this about the SEX party and expect wipes?

I'm apparently on the wrong sever. Lacking in PFs like this.

wait what.

I never seen pts like this on PF!

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Uh..

If this about the SEX party and expect wipes?

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They weren't too clear but you need to bring baby wipes...you know why..

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Uh..

If this about the SEX party and expect wipes?

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Cannot unsee :(

http://i.imgur.com/vwPiMdY.jpg

^ Epic
/10char

We had 2 on Behemoth it isn't out of control yet there... Still the point is you can use real money in the cash shop to sell the item to the players in game for gil. This is a pay to play game so I feel this kind of action should not be permitted and Square definitely could have put a little more thought into preventing this but $$$$$$$

Funny all that tells me is that there are 4 players who would normally purchase bot generated gil from RMTs buying player generated gil.

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http://i.imgur.com/8T0rY1v.png
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I know, selling the items for ingame cash is optional, whiteknights eat me alive please.

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Thanks a lot for this. May I add it to my thread? (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45-Feedback%29)

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Funny all that tells me is that there are 4 players who would normally purchase bot generated gil from RMTs buying player generated gil.

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You realize there's so many security risks involved with trusting these shady RMT dealers? Once they get your financial information they know about you even if you get your debit/credit card locked after the purchase. You don't know who these people are or where they come from and you could end up getting nothing while they take your money anyways. This acts as a deterrent to a lot of people from buying from these sellers.

At least Square gave people a trustworthy way to RMT.

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http://i.imgur.com/8T0rY1v.png
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I know, selling the items for ingame cash is optional, whiteknights eat me alive please.

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My server, my FC mate. We were laughing about this last night.

Had 4 such parties on Balmung last night. One wanted 20 mil for the plat package he was selling. This is depressing...what has happened to all of the good sub based games?

we had a few parties selling them too. initial price was 15 mil, and then crashed to 2 mil in about an hour. was pretty funny.

I've heard a lot of outcry about pay-to-win or whatever, but I gotta ask:

Are people doing this advertising actually successfully selling anything?

Not that I plan on getting married, but ponying up $20 or even $40 is a whole lot easier for me than scraping together six million gil, or whatever ridiculous prices these guys are charging...

If it's a matter of players ASSUMING mouthbreathers in-game are going to buy any shiny they dangle in front of them, forking over the real-life money to stock up on bracelets, and then failing to actually sell any, I'd find it pretty hilarious. XD

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I've heard a lot of outcry about pay-to-win or whatever, but I gotta ask:

Are people doing this advertising actually successfully selling anything?

Not that I plan on getting married, but ponying up $20 or even $40 is a whole lot easier for me than scraping together six million gil, or whatever ridiculous prices these guys are charging...

If it's a matter of players ASSUMING mouthbreathers in-game are going to buy any shiny they dangle in front of them, forking over the real-life money to stock up on bracelets, and then failing to actually sell any, I'd find it pretty hilarious. XD

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Apparently people are paying for the bracelets though....One person said her friend, who is a fresh fifty went from ilvl 55 to ilvl 110 thanks to this patch. Selling one bracelet covered the cost for a full set of 110 gear.

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Apparently people are paying for the bracelets though....One person said her friend, who is a fresh fifty went from ilvl 55 to ilvl 110 thanks to this patch. Selling one bracelet covered the cost for a full set of 110 gear.

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Damn. I wish I had that instead of spending weeks getting my first 50 to i110. <3 you SE

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I've heard a lot of outcry about pay-to-win or whatever, but I gotta ask:

Are people doing this advertising actually successfully selling anything?

Not that I plan on getting married, but ponying up $20 or even $40 is a whole lot easier for me than scraping together six million gil, or whatever ridiculous prices these guys are charging...

If it's a matter of players ASSUMING mouthbreathers in-game are going to buy any shiny they dangle in front of them, forking over the real-life money to stock up on bracelets, and then failing to actually sell any, I'd find it pretty hilarious. XD

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Yes, ppl will pay insane ammounts of gil for this kind of stuff.

Actually yesterday I went mining, got a Boarskin map, opened it....treasure dropped an unhidden map, went to open it and got the new spriggan cap.
So I go to the MB to see how much are they selling for, there was none posted, looked at the history of sales....none.....WTH? server first trying to sell it?....well I placed it for 4m just to try to get some leverage on its worth.....was sold in about an hour for the 4m I placed it.

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Yes, ppl will pay insane ammounts of gil for this kind of stuff.

Actually yesterday I went mining, got a Boarskin map, opened it....treasure dropped an unhidden map, went to open it and got the new spriggan cap.
So I go to the MB to see how much are they selling for, there was none posted, looked at the history of sales....none.....WTH? server first trying to sell it?....well I placed it for 4m just to try to get some leverage on its worth.....was sold in about an hour for the 4m I placed it.

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That meant you put it at WAY too low a price. Could have probably got at least 15mil for it. /comfort

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Yes, ppl will pay insane ammounts of gil for this kind of stuff.

Actually yesterday I went mining, got a Boarskin map, opened it....treasure dropped an unhidden map, went to open it and got the new spriggan cap.
So I go to the MB to see how much are they selling for, there was none posted, looked at the history of sales....none.....WTH? server first trying to sell it?....well I placed it for 4m just to try to get some leverage on its worth.....was sold in about an hour for the 4m I placed it.

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At least you earned your gil through a drop in the game instead of from the mog station. Congrats :3

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That meant you put it at WAY too low a price. Could have probably got at least 15mil for it. /comfort

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Lol 15m is what a medium house is right now at Leviathan......would feel too much like a rip off....specially when all I did was kill 2 mobs...and none was hard to kill :p

I thought about it. People would complain that things in the cash shop weren't available in normal play.
Well...guess what? Now they are. You, personally, don't have to pay SE one red cent to get them. SOMEONE does, but that person gets to walk away with a large sum of gil. Kinda like wedding planners in real life.
The more I think about it, the fewer problems i'm beginning to see.
Except now that Gil technically now has a RL monetary value, adding gold saucer gambling games has become nigh impossible due to certain asian and EU countries' gambling laws.
And it actually diminishes RMT since it's a far easier route than going to some shady site run by shady people, with the added bonus of SE getting a cut of the pot. Everybody wins.

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I thought about it. People would complain that things in the cash shop weren't available in normal play.
Well...guess what? Now they are. You, personally, don't have to pay SE one red cent to get them. SOMEONE does, but that person gets to walk away with a large sum of gil. Kinda like wedding planners in real life.
The more I think about it, the fewer problems i'm beginning to see.

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It may not be easy to see now but this is the start of a crumbling MMO economy. People are upset because we are paying monthly to play this game and these RMTs will bring a swift decline to the economy and give people easier ways to gear up making people who worked for their gear and money seem like retards. There's a lot of prideful feelings mixed with worry about the game becoming pointless after some time.

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HOW will they have easier ways to gear up? The way I see it, there were two types of complaints I saw all the time:
1) Overly rich crafters who were annoyed that they had nothing to spend their gil on anymore other than TP and repair costs.
2) Poor players who wanted #1's money because they didn't want to spend a ton of time crafting.
Now there's something to bridge the gap for those willing to pay for it.
It's a slippery slope fallacy. You don't have to work any more or less hard to get things, but now those with extra gil can use it on something that helps the economy, and those with extra (insert RL currency here) can actually afford the things that were previously only being purchased by actual ToS violators and the people who had accumulated a lot of gil. Such as housing.
The only things "easier' now is the price on those extremely expensive i110 items may actually go down a bit more.
It's not the doom and gloom you think it is.

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HOW will they have easier ways to gear up? The way I see it, there were two types of complaints I saw all the time:
1) Overly rich crafters who were annoyed that they had nothing to spend their gil on anymore other than TP and repair costs.
2) Poor players who wanted #1's money because they didn't want to spend a ton of time crafting.
Now there's something to bridge the gap for those willing to pay for it.

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Nice strawman.

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It's a slippery slope fallacy.

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Only slippery slope if it isn't clearly pay to win. All RMT and RMT like services are inherently pay to win.

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You don't have to work any more or less hard to get things, but now those with extra gil can use it on something that helps the economy, and those with extra (insert RL currency here) can actually afford the things that were previously only being purchased by actual ToS violators and the people who had accumulated a lot of gil. Such as housing.
The only things "easier' now is the price on those extremely expensive i110 items may actually go down a bit more.
It's not the doom and gloom you think it is.

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Don't mention other consequences of fresh 50's skipping the grind to endgame, like less players using the older content to gear up.

where are all the people supposing rushing out and buying theses items outside the people who didn't wanna pay cash in the first place? this is no different from players selling coil runs....

Sex learning party, expect wipes. Classic.

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Uh..

If this about the SEX party and expect wipes?

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Gotta stay hygienic if it's in a party dynamic.

just so you know, classic RMT prices I see are about $1 per million.

Buy RMT gils, buy a ring for 10m or less, you got plat wedding for less than SE is selling it for. And now you can laugh at SE's approval of RMT activities (selling IG currency for real money. Doesn't matter if it's a player paying an other with real money, it's still RMT activities)

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just so you know, classic RMT prices I see are about $1 per million.

Buy RMT gils, buy a ring for 10m or less, you got plat wedding for less than SE is selling it for. And now you can laugh at SE's approval of RMT activities (selling IG currency for real money. Doesn't matter if it's a player paying an other with real money, it's still RMT activities)

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An important difference is that folks, in general, KNOW that dealing with third-party RMT is risky, shady business; you can get banned if you get caught doing it, and even if you don't there's always the baggage that comes with such dealings (for instance, unrelenting spam mail). That's why a lot of folks avoid it, even when the prices are ridiculously cheap.

As such, I doubt that this will increase use of third-party RMT. Folks that would have used it before will continue to do so, and those that refrained will find other ways to pay for their wedding.

No the real worry is whether SE has opened a can of worms with a seemingly legitimate form of RMT, since players can purchase bracelets and sell them for a ton of in-game gil. The exchange rate may not be as good as that of third-party RMT, but it's a lot harder to look at it and say, "This is wrong," when SE themselves seem to be indirectly endorsing it...

That awkward moment SE realise they enabled RMT

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