Summoner Reborn - "Remade"

Abilities Removed from the arcanist -> Psyheal, Res. Tri-disaster, Ruin II < Garada Contagion, virus

Reason -> Psyheal/Raise isn't required for damage dealer. helpful Yes. not required. these are easily gained from cross-class skills from whm

Tri-disaster - in a whole is a bad spell. there only a few instants that is useful. if anything too sitautional to be useful

Ruin/Ruin II - need to be completely revamped > there isn't a need for a second ruin if damage is gonna be same as the first. ill start on this after give reason why

Garada Contagon - is overpowered probably one of main reasons why we not getting any new pet's at this moment cause this skill alone. remove it may seem like a huge nerf to us summoners but ill explain please read below

Bonus's


Summoner's Pets no based on type's but different types of situations. meaning single summoner be using ifirit/garada/levithan/ramuh/shiva . watch depends on the battle there fixing fight each egi is balanced for the right type situation . only one this doesnt stand for is titan
Ruin - Ruin - now deals 60 potency damage and increases +20 potency if casted again within 8 seconds. this can stack up 3 times . in addition new ruin is instant cast. max potency is 120 potency + (summoner only have there Physical damage reduced by 10% for 8 seconds on 4th cast) (Scholar only + there next heal will heal 20% more damage (Ruin is no longer a cross-class ability)

Poison (Summoner) - Deal's 15 potency damage over 60 seconds (Poison is long lasting if target is killed by Poison.Bio. Bio or Miasma they will explode dealing 80 additional potency to nearby enemies inflicting bind for 10 seconds (Poison is instant cast but has 60 second recast time)

Poison (Scholar) - Does what Poison 1 does but deals 15 potency over 60 seconds but instead of dealing damage it weakens all nearby targets damage by 20% this does not stack with ruins damage reduction

Bio - gain at higher level now however Bio pretty much stays the same

Bio II - however deals 80 potency damage addition to its normal effects

Miasma - Stays the same

Miasma II - no longer causes heavy and disease instead it inflicts current virus to all nearby enemies. however gains virus's cool-down and gains damage increase and duration 15 seconds

Deproshell - 100 potency as damage Increases all damage done on target by 15% both magical and physical by 10% for 8 seconds *cost Aetherflow stack"

Energy Drain - Drains twice as much MP (scholar only)

Energy Drain - Drains HP equal to amount of damage dealt (summoner only)

Bane (also spreads poison)



Shadow Flare - Shadow Flare - Slow is increased to 10%

Ifirt - is able to put his fire-shield on other members of the party
Garada- gains the ability blink - does have hide cd but allow summoner or summoners allies one of them to dodge 3 hits in row 120 second cd
titan - has its over all defense increased cause the losing of psyheal

Sustain has its healing increased can be casted on other players as a HoT - this can be cross-class ability

Rouse can be placed on another player (scholar only)

Rouse lasts twice as long (summoner only)



New Ability for scholar/summoner that cost Aetherflow

Contagion - (cost 3 Aetherflows adds 15 seconds to your dot's can only be used 120 seconds) cost 35% MP summoner only ability

reraise - cost 3 Aetherflows) if targets HP is to fall to 0 instead it be healed 100% HP this is scholar only ability cost 35% Scholars MP

...And what about Scholars? Just poopoo them to the curb? :B

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

...And what about Scholars? Just poopoo them to the curb? :B

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Scholars get these change's too. and if not mistaken scholars can use cure/raise from whm and stoneskin/protect and most important cerlic-stance and esuna what this does if gives more choices to scholars

these abilitys also effect you

reraise - cost 3 Aetherflows) if targets HP is to fall to 0 instead it be healed 100% HP this is scholar only ability cost 35% Scholars MP

Poison (Scholar) - Does what Poison 1 does but deals 15 potency over 60 seconds but instead of dealing damage it weakens all nearby targets damage by 20% this does not stack with ruins damage reduction

Probably a New Fairy that carries on different aspect of support/healer type character. maybe a Alexander (aka Holy Paladin like tanking pet for Scholar)


Alexander. The Fairy King - Little Fairy looks like a white knight in armor. he gives himself a heal over time watch is much stronger then sustain and stacks with it. in addition it also heals the scholar. he also places barrier around the summoner that sheild them from incoming damage by 40% to single attack. his other attacks are holy based cause massives amount of threat both single target and ranged aoe. is superior to titan in every way. ( this pet is used in situations where healer does get aggro. this pet is very well capable of tanking raid like aids but never main tanking)

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Alexander - "Scholar's Tanking Pet" Better Details

Rightious Guard - Instantly "Cover's" another player that player and alexander take 50/50 split in damage 180 seconds

Rejuvation - Heals self for 400 potency over 12 seconds also heals scholar for half the amount

Holy Burst - Strikes All targets reducing there over all damage causing massive enimity watch kinda minics whms holy ability

Excalibar - Deals Damage to single target causes massive enimity increases damage taken

Noble Sarciface - Scholar's orders Alexander sarciface himself. healing all nearby party members equal to 35% total HP , in addition all enimity caused by alexander and scholar is reduced to 0

Summoners Enkindle (Reborn)

Improvement's to Enkindle's

When a Summoner use's Enkindle. Summoner's pet turn into there primal like forms and fight for summoner for 12 seconds. they have there over all stats increased by 300 during this duration. after 12 seconds are up. they use there sigature attacks and revert back to egi... giving them that old school summoner feeling.


seriously enkindle should be summoners burst mode. make the summoner feel as if there summons and not weak ass pets. old school summoner feeling do not mean final fantasy 11. i want summoner has no healing what so ever. rather not remeber the days when i was in 11 stuck as healer not once being able to summon my pets cause my mp could be used better at healing . really get rid of psyheal/res mean whats the point having two skills that do same thing cure+ pysheal

only thing great about summoner is in 11 is when you used your 2 hour or overdrive... people started to run. cause the amount of damage we do in single burst was enough to kill most players outright. but there given golden opporinity to run away get out of range.

I expected more then this? when i see ifirt use hellfire aka inferno i am expecting to see overdrive like damage, not peanut damage my blm fire III watch they can spam does more damage the ifirits egi inferno it says alot ...ouch

While I agree with summoner need revamping, this is still going the DoT route. Traditional FF summoners have always been spike damage long casting time high mp use roles. Sounds familiar? Thats right, in FF14 Summoners should have been Black Mage, and Black Mage should have been Summoners, after all stuff like poison and bio are black magic to begin with. And yes, black magic in FF history hits hard, but not nearly as hard as summoning magic. I mean you really wouldn't compare flare with Knights of the Round would you?

The way I see summoner should play out like what I posted in another post, is play more like WoW's druids. Different summons switch your core role, and instead of sharing the class with arcanist, summoner should maybe share class with time mage where its basic role is to buff/debuff cast time, and use gravity based magic.

Knights of the round was seriously op. yes could not compare damage from a summon with a blm. what made final fantasy games so good specially summoner was this? Shiva Diamond Dust is like over shadowing blms ice III.


I agree with that I vote:

that scholar - should share with whm job with conjurer.

and Time Mage/Summoner should be arcanist i agree with you good thought line

there rolls should be switched i agree thunderbreak

how about this

Blm or Summoner jobs shared together
time mage is shared with scholar on arcanist

That actually is an interesting thought, so maybe at the base class of smn/blm is some sort of DoT based class that specialize in poison (bio)/stat interupt (silence)/stat CC (toad/mini) then branch off to either summoner or black mage. Thunder really shouldn't be a DoT, it's always been the go to magic until you learn earth/gravity/flare/meteor.

The Summoner should get Summoning Magic and be a Pet Based Job.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

The Summoner should get Summoning Magic and be a Pet Based Job.

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this isn't wow summoner shouldn't be anything like warlock. summoning magic is always been stronger then black magic.

when we unleash ifirits hellfire/inferno we should be doing 450-500 potency to all targets. kinda like a mini-overdrive. never to be outdone by black-mage in truth summoning is the

what blms doing now is what the summoner should be done

I mean when i use shiva's (Diamonds Dust) or Ramuh's (judgement Bolt) I expect to do highiest magic damage in the game. or Ifirits Hellfire...I want see trash mobs die and bosses losing 10% of total of there HP < this how unkindle should be black mages damage should not match elemental power of primal even if it is egi


anyone whos investated in any final fantasy games should know . summons trump black magic

Trying to break the class again are we?

Seriously none of these changes make any damn sense, and would just completely unbalance a class, which when done right, already manages to hold it's own fairly well.

Why remove Physick and Res from Summoner? I can tell you of so many damn instances in which I saved a raid, or an ST run with a well timed revive, or hell even some back up cures.

Rouse and Sustain on players? Again broken, especially with your suggestions.

Tri-Disaster does suck, no one can admit it doesn't. They may revamp it eventually who knows.

Enkindle just needs a timer adjustment really, it's fine otherwise.

Seriously though stop trying to break this class. As stated on other forum postings you've made, you do not know what you are talking about. If you had your way, Summoner would be this overpowered demi god of a DPS, while other DPS would be broken and unusable. Just stop would you?

clearly your the one doesn't let me protest that i been playing final fantasy's games my whole life. watch probably much longer then yours. what we have here isn't a summoner what we have here is a Time-mage who can summon. summoner pets. a real final fantasy summoner pet's wouldn't be this weak. or copy paste or steal warlock copy from wow. we want a final fantasy summoner. class gives the feel of summoner. not this garbage

this isn't about skill. I have enough of it historic tradiation call this false. Squire Enix support's player critism. however you are not Squire Enix have no right tell someone off for there believes even if they differ from your's. forums not place trash talk degrade someone else's opinions . let me state SE welcomes suggestions even if few ppl in player base is happy.


Personally i see nothing wrong with what they have now. but it isn't a summoner. it is a time mage. loose the pet's increase the damage that's is what they are

you cannot call a class only has 3 pet's only 1 one them is tank other shitty dps no one uses <ifirit> then you have miss overpowered garada a summoner. if not mistaken. summoner's have more then this. someone asks me what does a summoner do. first thing comes to mind is we summon bad-ass pets/

not we summon okiesh pets while cast weak ass dot's having cross-class abilities that pretty much useless . we have psyheal, raise i signed up to be a damage dealer not to support someone else's healing. very crappy debuffy class. should been called time mage.


Hey... a Ifirit uses hellfire and deals only 800 damage <== isnt a summon

when ifirit can use inferno or hellfire deal about 5000 non critical damage then we can talk

I know what Summoners are. And yes it would be interesting to see them implimented as they were in old FF games... but again that would make them too powerful. SE made them like this so they could DPS while also providing back up, basically the mage form of a Bard. They do their job well... I don't really see why they need to be changed, I've been playing the class since early January. You claim the 'real' summoner thing but are they not allowed to make different choices at all? From what you're saying, no they are not... but thats just my opinion. Either way, done replying here SE isn't gonna take these seriously anyhow.

summoner was always a "Hero Class Character" most ppl whom practiced whm or blm could use arts of but mostly white-magic user's for balencing reasons. sense old school white mage only had few offensive spells at there command "Holy, Dia" of cot damage

hen again that is basic knowledge of black magic is that using elemental weakiness of monsters using that knowledge bring monsters down. urse they had ability inflict status effect's. only one instance in final fantasy history i that remeber right off that black mage became was summoner. was best summoning class ever. Rydia from final fantasy 4. do have one thing right summoners always had to do battle first with summon they desired and win. these fights no easy tasks. to me summon's are one step higher then basic magic. only few black magic spells that could rival a full fledged summon. flare. ultima. metero . its is unheard of that fire 3 could match might of a summon unless it was weak to that element <- Shiva hit by fire III would pretty much ouwhat spell deals most damage to what. however in 14 things have changed blm's are limited to only 3 element's when there are total of 6. other 3 however was given to conjurer. in some sense it made sense however when conjurer is called for battle. its mostly for there healing. however saying this final fantasy 1 elements of black mage was just that fire,ice and lightening with black magic fillers

this is another thing pisses me off about the summoner class in final fantasy 14. hold up sure alot of you agree with me.


are egi's look "WEAK" how did oh shit someone stop the summoner from summoning to hey guys look what I've summoned in my mind hear them all laughing at you .. what pathetic excuse of a summon more like ifirt poop. then ifirt.. they did better grafics job in final fantasy 11. at least summons were sexy

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Originally Posted by Robert_Ilcri

I know what Summoners are. And yes it would be interesting to see them implimented as they were in old FF games... but again that would make them too powerful. SE made them like this so they could DPS while also providing back up, basically the mage form of a Bard. They do their job well... I don't really see why they need to be changed, I've been playing the class since early January. You claim the 'real' summoner thing but are they not allowed to make different choices at all? From what you're saying, no they are not... but thats just my opinion. Either way, done replying here SE isn't gonna take these seriously anyhow.

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Comparing the Summoner utility to Bards are you serious. Bard's support makes them a must have in a raids Summoner's not even close. Average Black Mages easily out damage an elite Summoner which shouldn't happening. Black Mage's fire 3 rotation easily out damages Summoner's Enkindle Rotation which has a 5 min cd for what a pathetic amount of damage. If the Summoner's damage stays this low they should be able to control entire encounters otherwise SE should rebalance the Summoner separate it from the Aranist give them Summoning Magic and make them a Pure Summoner.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

Comparing the Summoner utility to Bards are you serious. Bard's support makes them a must have in a raids Summoner's not even close. Average Black Mages easily out damage an elite Summoner which shouldn't happening. Black Mage's fire 3 rotation easily out damages Summoner's Enkindle Rotation which has a 5 min cd for what a pathetic amount of damage. If the Summoner's damage stays this low they should be able to control entire encounters otherwise SE should rebalance the Summoner separate it from the Aranist give them Summoning Magic and make them a Pure Summoner.

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clearly he doesn't know. we who've dedicate are life's too summoning class. cannot possibly understand are pain. when a black mage of all things completely out-damage's us. this is bloody summon "not weak ass pet. damage of our pet's should simply dominate when it comes to single target damage. we are not doing enough. to even say we equal to bards as support is direct insult

i so agree with you on that note. cause this this isnt a summoner. this is time mage (take away the pets thats what they are)

If your unhappy with the way summoner is becoming like i am post in this post say something. clearly someone will hear you


clearly 1-50 summoner ilvl109 nearly have my animus weapon. still my damage is shit. compared to blm and bard. simply having psyheal and raise does it make up for how bad this class sucks

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Originally Posted by SakuraMacpherson1

clearly he doesn't know. we who've dedicate are life's too summoning class. cannot possibly understand are pain. when a black mage of all things completely out-damage's us. this is bloody summon "not weak ass pet. damage of our pet's should simply dominate when it comes to single target damage. we are not doing enough. to even say we equal to bards as support is direct insult

i so agree with you on that note. cause this this isnt a summoner. this is time mage (take away the pets thats what they are)

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Summoner can back up heal if a healer actually died (Not the best, but it can help majorly), they can also revive said healers if they drop dead, and they're doing damage while they're helping the party with their pets, so I'm pretty sure that others can agree that it would be pretty nice to have a backup like that in raids (As in I've seen summoners time and time again save someone's arse when they dropped dead in T6+ during the final part of the battle when healers couldn't afford to waste MP on reviving)


And I find it pretty difficult to really support anything that you're saying.... partially due to you using full casting accessories as a scholar. -> http://prntscr.com/5flopb .... as well as insulting people when they've proved you wrong time and time again in the forums.

And fyi, blms beyond outdamage summoners with AoE stuff, while a summoner who ACTUALLY KNOWS their class is pretty bloody awesome when having to deal with single targets, and honestly (This is my opinion. just FYI) I'd like to have a summoner over a blm as the mage in a party if things get too close for comfort, as well as them still doing nice damage while they're using LB2/LB3.

thats because gave up being a summoner. this isn't a summoner. if want see my summoner gear all you had to do is ask. who hell says wasnt playing scholar..you have no right judge me for switching jobs. this is my job my domain your entering. you may have got me on white mage forum. but do not got me here. skill of summoner has nothing to do with it. black mage equal gear. out damages summoner single rotate fester combo. down right

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thats because gave up being a summoner. this isn't a summoner. if want see my summoner gear all you had to do is ask. who hell says wasnt playing scholar..you have no right judge me for switching jobs. this is my job my domain your entering. you may have got me on white mage forum. but do not got me here. skill of summoner has nothing to do with it. black mage equal gear. out damages summoner single rotate fester combo. down right

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Still doesn't say a thing about many summoners I've been in groups with who have outdamaged blms with roughly the same gear. And honestly I don't really care about your summoner's gear, I still don't see a single reason to use mage DPS gear on a scholar, unless you're like those players who lie about their ilvls and hold back the group by not being able to do well with your job. I'm more comfortable with a summoner over a black mage any day in my party.

And can you please reword some of what you said? I seriously don't understand it (Like: thats because gave up being a summoner. Don't mention who, so seriously, what?) And do you still 'tickle' enemies with Shadow Flare like you've said in the past?

ALSO

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Originally Posted by SakuraMacpherson1

you have no right judge me for switching jobs

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You had no right to call me a crappy summoner in the past, when I was only 4 ilvls under you at the time. So don't judge others if you don't want to be judged, buckwheat.

The problem with the Summoner is SE wanted to make them a dps but they made them a DoT Class. DoT is pure crowd control and since this game uses the holy trinity DoT classes should be regulated to healing. Unless SE adds a Support Role the Summoner should get rebuilt from the ground up in order to stay damage dealing. The Summoner should be separated from the Arcanist and become a Pure Summoner using Summoning magic and revolve around the Summons.

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Originally Posted by Akiza

The problem with the Summoner is SE wanted to make them a dps but they made them a DoT Class. DoT is pure crowd control and since this game uses the holy trinity DoT classes should be regulated to healing. Unless SE adds a Support Role the Summoner should get rebuilt from the ground up in order to stay damage dealing. The Summoner should be separated from the Arcanist and become a Pure Summoner using Summoning magic and revolve around the Summons.

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I agree with you. problem also lies with crappy cross-skill system we have . look they could rebuild that so that summoner/scholar gain white-mage cross-class skills. so its like no loose situation. meaning ya we lost psyheal/raise for better damage. but we still can use raise/cure from whm .

honestly threat reduction isnt needed and raging strikes is a lose but welcome it if we did more over all damage

Arguement stands firm:

we only have 3 pets only one is useful cause single ability

Ifirit sucks
titan only used when solo and he also sucks
garada - decent damage with one ability that is useful rest of them suck!

when did a summoner class only be able summon 3 pets. when did they become so pathetic looking to point embaressed showed my friend what ifirt looks like in this game. he too said nope thats not a ifirt

do know why ppl role scholar not just because healing wise. its because they are better then summoner. no one wants a summoner in there party. rather have a bird or black-mage cause they do better job

do you why ppl choice scholar over summoner simple scholars are better then summoner's hence no one wants to play them.

my summoner is overgeared compared to my scholar. and out total playability the scholar can solo better then summoner. when i can sit there surrounded by 10-20 monsters healing myself still not die and end up winning that fight. yes there trash. can summoner even hope fight that many no. not with shitty 5 min unkindle that shames the name that they carry.. this sucks not only one whom sees this come on!

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Originally Posted by SakuraMacpherson1

Arguement stands firm:

we only have 3 pets only one is useful cause single ability

Ifirit sucks
titan only used when solo and he also sucks
garada - decent damage with one ability that is useful rest of them suck!

when did a summoner class only be able summon 3 pets. when did they become so pathetic looking to point embaressed showed my friend what ifirt looks like in this game. he too said nope thats not a ifirt


do know why ppl role scholar not just because healing wise. its because they are better then summoner. no one wants a summoner in there party. rather have a bird or black-mage cause they do better job

do you why ppl choice scholar over summoner simple scholars are better then summoner's hence no one wants to play them.

my summoner is overgeared compared to my scholar. and out total playability the scholar can solo better then summoner. when i can sit there surrounded by 10-20 monsters healing myself still not die and end up winning that fight. yes there trash. can summoner even hope fight that many no. not with shitty 5 min unkindle that shames the name that they carry.. this sucks not only one whom sees this come on!

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Wow, way to grab blind facts there. Did I not say I'd rather have a summoner over a black mage before? Oh, why yes I did. I'd even more so love to have a summoner and bard over two black mages.


While you say ifrit sucks, he does have a stun ability, while tricky to use, it can come in handy for some boss fights if there's no one who can stun in time (Crimson Cyclone)

Why are you having a difficult time 'soloing' as a summoner? Maybe you don't fully know your class? While with Scholar it's just DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT DOT while you let your pet do all the healing. It's kind of brainless with killing stuff solo as a scholar. Swiftcast + Summon exists for a reason, and you can bring titan in when you might be in a pinch. You do know you can heal Titan's HP by 8% every few seconds with a pet regen, right?

And honestly your 'defence' for why summoner 'sucks' isn't very strong to begin with.

You guys keep going on and on about it being a DoT class, which isn't as good as other DPS... Do you keep forgetting your Fester ability or what -.- This is a skill that does anywhere from 900 base to 1500 crit without a raging strikes depending on the RNG. And it can be used three times within 30 seconds. If you have used Contagion to keep all your DoTs up to make use of those bam. Heck if you have Aetherflow at the ready you can pull six of those off within a minute (Re putting dots up in between cool downs.)

It honestly feels like the only reason you guys are complaining about the class is because it's not some ungodly burst damage class "like in other Final Fantasy games". Well this isn't another FF game. This isn't FF11 which you so seem to love considering your other posts. Also, don't patronize me about summoners like you did in a couple of your other posts, I've played these games before.

As for what you mentioned with them being removed from the Arcanist class job line... Why? Scholar didn't even USED to exist, Arcanists have always led to Summoner. Everything you keep proposing would mean drastically changing EVERYTHING about them in game. This includes basic skills, the class quests, the job quests, and the Lore already written into the game.

Do you ever think before posting Sakura? You just whine about their damage but honestly it just feels like you want to have the ability to out DPS anyone and not have to pull support if it's needed.

Robert in raid's specially in 24 man runs boss's can only accept so much dot's until there immune it. 100% correct when i say this it has be your dots that effect fester not someone else's while this huge compitation in speed. you cannot always pull off all 3 of your dots on the boss at all times with mix of you dodging aoe's placing pets asborb damage situational. and ressing the dead so to speak as you so put it.

Debuff cap is breached in most 8/24 man raid runs. making your fester lose damage if your not fast enough that is. you have add in the fact having high cast-time's with high-global cool-downs. and constantly moving out of aoe's watch we do not have excape button like other classes most likely hit by them if we do not pop sprint. constantly have issue's keeping these dot's up. now if they were instant cast. you would have strong agruement but fact is we have stop cast spell 2.5 or less cast time. watch makes us a target mind you. yes fester damage is high. limited shots and fact unkindled is over shadowed by fester. makes this class enough more a joke


Proof is here ->
in final fantasy 7 did fire III did as much damage as knights of the round why? cause it was a summon. why should something that has been tranditional final fantasy result in this? wow warlock copy? cause its mmo-> nope not gonna happen. if your gonna call a class a summoner then need look at why people enjoyed this class from the start. not show us time-mage with summoning abilitys

does a black mage have fire something in solo battle one on one? gain fire III no they dont do they have wait 5 mins on lvl50 skill only do peanut damage unkindles...no they use flare when every they want too as long they have the mana

would hear me bitch if unkindled did over 4500-5000 damage no why cause it has 5 min cool-down during those 5 mins within blm aoe rotations they still do 3 times as much damage

ok bane has its limits most i ever seen it effect is 3 targets at most. by the time you finished Miasma Bio lost 3 seconds when you cast bio miama lost 1 second. you use bane only hit up 2-3 targets at most, see where going here "time" you need time. dot class isn't what a summoner so post to be this is a time mage

everything about this class simply screams time-mage. your pet gives you 15 seconds on your damage-over time! you have pet heal that heals over time. all your abilitys deal damage over time.you have uselessly ruin that can blind. that is canceled out by paladins flash type blind

Swift-cast a Fire III yay i got a more powerful fester

Uh... You're wrong about the DoT thing. Your DoTs may not SHOW up on the bosses bar, but they are still THERE. They just aren't showing up due to the number of things up, that's all. You really think SE would limit things like that? If you do then just wow -_-

Once again you're comparing this game to other FF games... once again, this is an MMORPG and not, I repeat NOT a single player game. 4500-5000 damage? That's waaay to much for any character to have at their disposal even if it were on five minutes. Enkindle really just needs a time adjustment and it'd be fine. Rouse + Spur + Enkindle, it deals all kinds of damage from Garuda/Ifrit.

You need to look into the lore of the game to see why Summoners are built as they are currently... You are going on about how they are in other games, but aren't considering the story behind them in THIS game. It work's fine enough as is...

@Robert_Ilcri i am amazed you even bother to argue with SakuraMacpherson1, In the past OP has made alot of these so called class reworks/reborn/revamped w/e *3* and new class ideas which was very unbalanced to the point of OP. Folks that disagree with him/her was just flamed. It went wrong to the point mods has to remove OP post.

As far i can see is his/her idea's are just trollbaits.

The main reason I say anything is cause there are some people who will take her seriously. But yeah, it really is just obvious trolling at this point.

If you look the WoW Warlock what happened it died after Burning Crusade. Back when MMORPG's like DCUO and Everquest had a dedicated support role DoT classes were needed because they filled the controller role in parties and raids and can control entire encounters. Final Fantasy XIV A Realm Reborn doesn't have a support role so Crowd Control gets spread across other dps making DoT dps useless. There is no point in bringing a DoT class to raids unless groups want gimp dps and a Summoner they have to carry. No matter how good a Summoner is they can't compete against other dps classes and have to be carried through SCOB and FCOB. With 2.4 the inherent weakness in the Summoner are magnified. An ilvl 110 Summoner gets easily outclassed by other dps with the same or lower gear and when there is ilvl 130 Summoner vs another ilvl 130 dps the gap turns into a chasm they can't be crossed. DoT damage dealers either have to be insanely op to be viable for endgame raiding or content that actually matters or be regulated to healing. WoW failed at making the DoT class a dps with the Warlock how is SE going to make Summoner work if they don't want it to be insanely op or have raid utility. Summoner either needs a massive amount of raid utility to justify bringing them along in Raids or become a Pure Summoner using Summoning Magic and revolving around the Summon.