I only play Monk, changes to these move plz

I personally think changes, to Haymaker, arm of the destroyer, and fist of wind, and one llm punch.

To start off I really think haymaker should be an counter attack for a certain length of time per attack inflicted on the user that causes slow one time till further use..... currently theirs no real use to this move since monks are rarely targeted

Arm of the destroyer should be a little bit more useful maybe just a potency increase maybe not alot or a reduce in tp cost...I mean 160 tp for 50 potency damage is not right lol

Fist of wind movement speed should be increase just, or how about an increase in skill speed or some sort. Currently in pvp half the time I still cant catch up to targets or have a hard time doing so.

One llm punch should also be remove or have an additional effect due to the fact that most bosses have an effect we cant remove and the move is expensive cost. Maybe a 10% crit chance can be useful for 12secs can be useful

Haymaker: This is not meant to be used in a party setting. Period. It's a move strictly meant for solo play.

Arm of the Destroyer: Damage isn't its goal. Damage is a side effect. It is a silence. This is eminently useful, even if it is hard to use. I've saved fights several times with it.

Fists of Wind: I personally wouldn't mind having the movement speed upped to match Swiftsong, but it doesn't really matter either way.

One Ilm Punch: This is, once again, a move that is not meant to be used in party settings. Every single thing out in the uninstanced world is vulnerable to it, and it's invaluable in PvP.

Only thing I can agree with is Arm of the Destroyer getting a TP cost reduction, or slight potency increase, as a QoL buff for dungeons. It'd have to be majorly buffed to be used in raid.

One Ilm Punch is very tricky to balance. If it actually worked effectively in raids it'd make MNKs even more vital and necessary to bring. It's hard to figure out a role for it otherwise, since TwS and TrS take care of the second form of a MNK's rotation pretty handily.

You're both right and wrong. The DPS on Arm of the Destroyer is extremely useful and strong if the tank pulls 4 or more enemies. It is useful for the dps, but only in that setting. I do agree the TP cost is slightly high, but Its manageable with invigorate.

Second, Why is One Ilm Punch not meant to be used in a party setting? By the time an enemy buffs itself and I've used this to remove the buff in the over-world, the enemy is almost always already dead. As it stands, this skill is a completely useless waste of time. I'd really like to see more uses for it in Dungeons, as Monk has a sort of neat unexplored debuffer role. (Silence, Int Decrease, Buff removing, Slow) Maybe make One Ilm punch even more expensive, but refresh all your debuffs? You could keep Dragon kick, touch of death, and Demolish all applied without having to re-cycle them!

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Originally Posted by SakiKojiro

You're both right and wrong. The DPS on Arm of the Destroyer is extremely useful and strong if the tank pulls 4 or more enemies. It is useful for the dps, but only in that setting. I do agree the TP cost is slightly high, but Its manageable with invigorate.

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I lol'd. Arm of the Destroyer is NEVER worth using outside of the need to silence an enemy. Rockbreaker spam with Perfect Balance is far more powerful and effective, not to mention you use about the same amount of TP for more damage. Rockbreaker is 120 TP for 130 potency, Arm of the Destroyer is 130 TP for 50 potency, do the math.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I lol'd. Arm of the Destroyer is NEVER worth using outside of the need to silence an enemy. Rockbreaker spam with Perfect Balance is far more powerful and effective, not to mention you use about the same amount of TP for more damage. Rockbreaker is 120 TP for 130 potency, Arm of the Destroyer is 130 TP for 50 potency, do the math.

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This. If you are using aotd in an aoe scenario, you are doing it wrong.

Haymaker: I feel that no individual move is specifically targeted at any given aspect of gamplay - it's that certain aspects of gameplay are not designed to accommodate the move. That's simply arguing semantics so I get that part. You can't please everyone, or build for every ability in this game. Everything has a time and a place - yadda, yadda.

It could be used in group play as it can technically activate on an AoE, but even if it did it's largely useless because you could be doing another attack that is far more effective. If they took it off GCD, it wouldn't be that bad of a weaving move - even if it were something that was super rare to pop. I've not met a single MNK that hasn't wanted this move taken oGCD, or simply doesn't care. Granted, their reasoning might differ from my own. To that end, I want it off GCD but wouldn't touch it otherwise.

Arm of the Destroyer: I'm good with it as-is. If I were king for a day I'd definitely either give it a TP cost reduction or a pot increase. However, I understand why it is configured how it is now, and I have no issues with it. AoE isn't our bag. ST is.

Fists of Wind: Honestly, I barely ever know it's there. That's not to say I don't use it, but if I'm in a group I either have a BRD around or my FoW is pointless because I still have to wait for my tank who has no movement buffs. In open world, I switch to BRD if I want to get around town quickly. So it's kind of a cheat.

One Ilm Punch: A personal pet peeve that it does not work on instanced content. However, I understand why. We'd become stupid powerful if we could rip buffs off of bosses. Especially as how many endgame bosses have buffs as part of their mechanics - often resulting in DPS gates. If we could strip buffs, we could demolish (no pun intended) the gates and make the fights even easier than they are now.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I lol'd. Arm of the Destroyer is NEVER worth using outside of the need to silence an enemy. Rockbreaker spam with Perfect Balance is far more powerful and effective, not to mention you use about the same amount of TP for more damage. Rockbreaker is 120 TP for 130 potency, Arm of the Destroyer is 130 TP for 50 potency, do the math.

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Alright, I'll do the math. 50x4=200, Much higher than bootshine with 4 or more enemies. PHEW I need a break. That was some difficult math. This is AFTER using even balance+rockbreaker spam, btw. Invigorate means you'll be able to use both in a fight and run out of TP maybe at the very end.

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Originally Posted by SakiKojiro

Alright, I'll do the math. 50x4=200, Much higher than bootshine with 4 or more enemies. PHEW I need a break. That was some difficult math. This is AFTER using even balance+rockbreaker spam, btw. Invigorate means you'll be able to use both in a fight and run out of TP maybe at the very end.

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How can you say this when you haven't done any content where you can run out of TP? You would lose massive DPS from the TP you lose from the extremely minor increase over a 225 auto-crit Bootshine, since if you use it a couple times in real content you're going to need preemptive Army's Paeon or Goad. Invigorate isn't the magical answer, just doing single target rotations is enough for a MNK to need Army's Paeon in content that matters. Arm of the Destroyer is for silences in raid. Period. Even T4, an out-geared short fight with 6+ enemies at a time, you don't use Arm of the Destroyer.

To put it into perspective, people don't use Fracture, an 80 TP cost move, in raid settings typically even if given the rare opportunity in their rotation where it doesn't interfere with ToD or DK/TwS/Demolish.

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Originally Posted by Sleigh

How can you say this when you haven't done any content where you can run out of TP? You would lose massive DPS from the TP you lose from the extremely minor increase over a 225 auto-crit Bootshine, since if you use it a couple times in real content you're going to need preemptive Army's Paeon or Goad. Invigorate isn't the magical answer, just doing single target rotations is enough for a MNK to need Army's Paeon in content that matters. Arm of the Destroyer is for silences in raid. Period. Even T4, an out-geared short fight with 6+ enemies at a time, you don't use Arm of the Destroyer.

To put it into perspective, people don't use Fracture, an 80 TP cost move, in raid settings typically even if given the rare opportunity in their rotation where it doesn't interfere with ToD or DK/TwS/Demolish.

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How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp. This is strongly based on the length of the fight. If the enemies are all tanky beasts then obviously this is a dumb idea, and you'd be better off avoiding this.

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Originally Posted by SakiKojiro

How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp.

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It's worthwhile in large dungeon pulls, this is true. Sometimes. If your group's total DPS is low it's not worth using even once.

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

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Originally Posted by SakiKojiro

How do you know what I've done? I'm not saying that its 100% always optimal, but to dismiss it entirely as an AoE dps option is idiotic. They didn't say "in high coils" they said "ever". All I know is in big pulls of 8 or more enemies 50x8=400. Thats a pretty solid number. As I said earlier, even 4x50 making it 200 potency is worth it, if you can manage your tp. This is strongly based on the length of the fight. If the enemies are all tanky beasts then obviously this is a dumb idea, and you'd be better off avoiding this.

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Again, better off using Perfect Balance + Rockbreaker spam (after using a single Rockbreaker to end the previous combo of course). If you're using AotD 5 times, that's only 250 potency for 650 TP, whereas if you use Rockbreaker spam after finishing a previous combo with Rockbreaker, that's 650 potency for 600 TP. That's 2.6 times more damage on multiple enemies for 50 less TP spent. Once again, Arm of the Destroyer is NEVER worth it if you're attempting AoE damage, it's far too little damage. MNKs in general should avoid even trying to AoE like that unless they're able to pop Perfect Balance beforehand for that burst of AoE spam.

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Originally Posted by Leozhontai

I personally think changes, to Haymaker, arm of the destroyer, and fist of wind, and one llm punch.

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haymaker: should be of GCD too, with an higher recast time. For thoses that say it's for Solo content, you don't even need it... solo content is cleared really fast.

Arm of the destroyer: it is usefull, it's trigger the combo for rockbreaker and give silence effect, on some pack of mobs it's very usefull.

Fist of wind: maybe an extra evasion bonus on it to fit with featherfoot.

One llm punch: Maybe add it out of GCD skills with almost no potency, just for the dispel.

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Originally Posted by Blueskyy

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

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I hate to say this, but Lucrezias is clearly using Arm of the Destroyer in that video.... A lot. Any time he/she doesn't have Perfect Balance up, he/she's using AotD/{raptor}/Rockbreaker in rotation. I saw at least 5 AotDs in the first 2 pulls (though mostly in the second since Perfect Balance was down). Though if we're talking about AotD spam you are correct. I don't think anyone is claiming AotD is a spamming move though.

It's good to keep the 10% twin snake damage buff.

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Originally Posted by Blueskyy

Totally agree, with Sleigh, Aoe dps is not monks job, even Lucrezias monk dont spam AoTD in brayflox speed runs.

PS. You should see this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRnk...TQj13CHjJxD04w

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MNK uses AotD once on the first pull and three times on the second. PB-Rockbreaker spam was used on the first and last pull.

From what I could tell, AoE DPS was monk's job and he did spam AotD when Perfect Balance was down--mob count permitting. Absent a BRD, the only thing that balances out his TP use is the rest of the PT busting their asses just as hard.

If you read what Sajikojiro said, he said to use AoTD once there are 4 enemies. Which is a total waste of TP in coils and some other fight T4 for example

Even though my DPS job is not MNK (it's DRG), I'll agree that AoTD is way too expensive for only 50 pot. It's extremely draining with the GL boost. IIn light of DRGs getting a single target boost, it doesn't seem unreasonable to reduce the TP cost by about 25% or so for a little QoL boost to general MNK AoE (when PB is down).

And haymaker is a pretty underwhelming skill in most circumstances. Even moreso as a cross class ability.

One ilm punch is fine for what it is. Although it's not usable in a lot of content, it's very good when you can use it (like pvp or stripping the buffs off of S Rank hunts).

If Haymaker was an oGCD with a 10~30 seconds recast that still retained its Cross-Class capabilities... it would be pretty useful for Tanks rather than MNK, still would love it as oGCD (at least that way it would be actually usable albeit rare).

About Arm of the Destroyer, I can't say I agree, the silence is the strong part of it, pretty much, an offensive skill intended for defensive tactics. Crowd Control.

Fists of Wind walking speed bonus might not be very notisable, but its not too bad. Giving it a quirk to be of a greater help in battle might be nice as well... but MNK already has enough TP troubles with GL3, so I would say +10 TP recovered per tick while active?

One Ilm Punch, I would like to see it having a greater use on the normal rotations since I really love its animation, but it really is one OP skill so its understandable that its banned from dungeon instances. Given another thought to it, they can very well implement bosses mechanics with Debuffable buffs, but then the MNK would pass from being a "prefereable job" to an "indispensable job", even more so than an specific Tank or Healer job. It would pass from being a party of 2 Healers, 2 Tanks and 4 DPS to 2 Healers, 2 Tanks, 3 DPS and 1 MNK, so not happening.

As a side note, One Ilm Punch do have an use in the world maps, specifically with Zanig'oh, the A Rank Hunt Mark from Southern Thanaland, when it brights blue it reflects any physical damage back which can easily kill any physical DPS (even rangeds), but it doesn't reflect Arm of the Destroyer or One Ilm Punch and the 2nd breakes the reflect effect.

Haymaker need to be more useful and their side effect barely work on end game content and fist of wind could use a buff like increase tp earned back or an evasion up

Haymaker need to be more useful and their side effect barely work on end game content and fist of wind could use a buff like increase tp earned back or an evasion up