This pseudo-rant is preemptive, but I think that the loot system should never give an item for a job nobody in the party is using at that moment. Bad experience with Second Coil loot is seemingly being carried over to my Final Coil luck, but as I said, this is a little preemptive. Next week I might get a ton of items, but still.
Final Coil loot system needs fixing.
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12-04-2014, 10:54 PMSkeith-AdelineFinal Coil loot system needs fixing.
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12-04-2014, 11:22 PMloreleidiangelo
Enjoy your 4786412488539 tank and healer loot drops if they implement this idea.
Still, hope you get some better loot luck in Coil, OP. -
12-04-2014, 11:32 PMVagdal
This has been brought up constantly patch after patch. Yet SE seems reluctant to make any changes whatsover to the current system knowing that is not a very good one. When pour in ton of hours into clearing content and its just to see another item nobody wants to use in the group its discouraging.
It wouldve been a lot better if the loot pool was tied to your group makeup so at least you wouldnt get those useless items sure people wouldve geared up quicker but at least by the time 6 month cycle is over ud have at least one job fully decked out and probably an offspec one too. This at least would validate the multi-class system and open a way to make groups more flexible.
My personal experience with the system been pretty bad there have been items that weve never seen drop once in a total of 9 months worth of clears between 2 groups. Same with 2nd coil i had to wait until week before FCOB to get my last two items unforunately cant say the same about some other people within the group as they didnt get to see their until lockouts were lifted.
Additional 6 items for Ninjas make it even worse to get the gear you need and slightly diminish your chances and i cant think of what happens if it remains the same way once few new Jobs will be added to the game. This system certainly needs changing if RNG doesnt like you well youre screwed. -
12-05-2014, 12:02 AMPterois
Go help a old lady with her grocery bags for some good Karma, then don't give casuals such a hard time for bonus Karma... ill come back in a week to see your results ^_~
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12-05-2014, 12:09 AMFelisIf nobody need it for the current class, everyone can just greed on it for another class.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline
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12-05-2014, 12:10 AMNexxus
The New dungeon system drop is totally awesome, get an item to trade of for any job you want.
I don't know why it isn't on coil... it should be !! -
12-05-2014, 12:11 AMVaer
They mentioned something about changing the loot system for the progression raids in the expansion to something that other MMOs use during the fanfest. Specifically, IIRC they were going to "look into" adding gear tokens.
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12-05-2014, 12:13 AMTaliss
If I remember correctly, yoshi-p said they are aware of the problems with coil loot and would be looking into changing the loot system during the expansion. It was because people were asking for a WoW style toekn system. I don't remember the source though, maybe a live letter?.
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12-05-2014, 12:20 AMSkeith-AdelineLOLOL Will keep that in mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Pterois
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12-05-2014, 12:21 AMSkeith-AdelineThe classes we enter final coil as, are the classes we main and want geared. We don't care about a DRG chest, especiall for final coil atmQuote:
Originally Posted by Felis
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12-05-2014, 12:28 AMDefterosgo tell this to all the farm party xDQuote:
Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline
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12-05-2014, 12:32 AMCroisciento
Yes, the current system is just sad. I've been clearing T7 almost every week since 2.2 came out and never saw the healer robe. I did like 20 other runs after the the lockout has been removed, still not seeing this robe.
Dunno about you guys but every goddamn time I want a piece so badly it doesnt drop. I've looted twice when I though I would loot nothing in final coil, and I'd like to get the monk's robe and I think i'll face the same issue, like if some kind of god was watching on us...
They should just allow people to trade off their useless pieces to get the ones they want to. Considering they added another class in 2.4 it'll be even harder to get the right loot. -
12-05-2014, 12:46 AMHumsterMKXMine is opp... 90% of our T7 clears ended with Healer Robe...Quote:
Originally Posted by Croisciento
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12-05-2014, 12:46 AMKyros
Biggest problem right now is that the loot pool got increased with Ninja armor, but the handouts remained the same.
This problem is just going to get worse in the expansion. This outdated system can not possibly remain. -
12-05-2014, 01:18 AMFelisMore chests could help. During 1.x the endboss gave the party 5 chests if everything was done right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
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12-05-2014, 01:20 AMSkeith-Adeline
I've never seen the T8 Casting Coat drop and I have a feeling T11 will treat me the same at the rate it is going
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12-05-2014, 01:37 AMTupsiBecause one item drop for 8 people means 1 person per turn per raid will luck out versus the chance of multiple people per turn per raid gaining gear. It's a nice system for older items, but for current progress? Not unless they do it like they did in XI where trash mobs can drop either the items itself (it is in a weekly lock out raid after all) or drops 1 sets of items you can later upgrade via items from an outside source (so not EVERYTHING is in the same raid) or the boss chests drops universal loot for everyone that includes upgrade items ontop of the boss itself potentially dropping the upgraded piece.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nexxus
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12-05-2014, 01:46 AMAshkendorThere are no farm parties for FCoB though. Dat weekly lockout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Defteros
Progressive raiders no longer really care about SCoB. -
12-05-2014, 01:53 AMArtiste
That remind me when I was doing second coil with my team, killed T8 kinda early compair to most of the players (1month after or less), farmed after till 1month before 2.4, and never dropped the healer hat.
I still dont have BTW, and I did some T8 with party finder... I dont want it anymore, f*** this hat.
RNG loot + weekly lockout => frustration -
12-05-2014, 02:05 AMAlipoprocks
It would be terrible if the only loot that dropped were for the jobs that people entered with. There are many times in many statics that a dps goes tank or heals to help out.
IMO the best solution is to remove weekly lockouts and implement loot lockouts. And I keep hearing a rumor that SE is adding that to a patch. Is that true? Or is it really just a rumor? -
12-05-2014, 02:13 AMDoctorPepperThey already said they're looking at different ways to handle raid drops in 3.0 from what I recall. Given that they said there would be a normal and hard mode for raids moving forward I'm willing to bet raids will shift to a raid tome that will simply drop more tomes in the hard mode. I could be wrong but that's my theory at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kyros
I agree that with 3.0 coming the issue is going to get bigger if they don't change the system. I'm hoping they have enough sense to think of that. -
12-05-2014, 03:03 AMElim
Ugh....don't remind me.
My statics loot from final coil
DRG gear
Healer gear
DRG gear
Tank gear
DRG gear
DRG gear
DRG gear
MNK gear
DRG gear
DRG gear
DRG gear
Etc
Etc
Etc
and so on
I think you get the pattern here. We've gotten three god damn DRG chests already. Please, please RNG have mercy on our group and let us get more gear we can use.
Oh right...did I mention no one in our group plays DRG?
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Caster chest never dropped for us either. lol. Guess how much DRG gear we got from T8 though?Quote:
Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline
inb4 T11 DRG chest drops 8 times for my static. -
12-05-2014, 03:18 AMAirget
I think a simple suggestion could be this.
VIT
STR
DEX
MND
INT
Each loot that drops would come in a variety of two so STR/VIT, INT/VIT, DEX/INT, STR/MND etc etc.
Basically what this woudl do is turn 1 loot into 4 and offer a better means of spreading the wealth between players rather than have a 1/7 chance of needing anda 6/7 of greed.
This would create a 4/9 chance of loot dropping for x job, of course this is keeping the new jobs out of mind atm but basically the idea is this.
It would kinda work the same way as the "relic" armor that now drops in the latest dungeons except it would be a bit more specific so one size wouldn't fit all.
The hope of the idea would be that raids that are focused on beating the content now wouldn't have to rely heavily on RNG and a chance that the jobs they are playing get something from x dungeon are increased.
So let's say they do this instead.
Using coil as an example there are 4 turns honestly speaking I haven't done final coil nor the 2nd stage yet but if I had to adjust the loot pool I would try the following:
Coil 1=Head/earrings/necklace
Coil2=Hands/ring/waist
Coil3=Legs/Feet/bracelet
Coil4=Body/weapon
In terms of what the chest can drop I"d suggest the following:
Coil1= 1 head, 2 accessories
Coil2=1 hand, 2 ring or waist
Coil3=1 leg and either 1/1 feet/bracelet or 2 feet/bracelet
Coil4=1 body and 1 weapon.
In terms of the variation I'd suggest this:
Body=VIT/MND, INT/STR, DEX/VIT, INT/DEX, STR/MND
Basically the body could drop in 5 variation wherein if the VIT/MND dropped it means PLD/WAR/SCH/WHM could lot on it and then obtain the body piece, if the VIT/DEX dropped means PLD/WAR/NIN/BRD could lot on it. This way there is a balance of sorts in fairness over the variations of said piece that can drop since if there was only the set VIT/MND, INT/STR and just DEX it would mean that one job set obtains an unfair advantage when it comes to lotting on gear.
Basically the general idea behind this is to crate less greed and more need for raid groups since it can be detrimental towards progression is a raid group does content and the jobs they use don't drop what they need causing their progression to be hindered because of it.
Another issue comes down to buying poetic gear and then the unluckiness of x gear that you just bought dropping within a dungeon. I can imagine that being a bit demoralizing because you just spent a weekly cap point on gear that now dropped in a dungeon and if no one can use it it goes to waste.
With the upcoming addition of more classes, if they follow different stat methods or the same it does make the stretch of gear even greater since it means more competition.
While they seem against allowing crafters to have an influence over the higher tier gear I honestly wouldn't see the problem if perhaps they allowed gear like hm XI's "cursed" gear wherein you have to obtain the pieces within the dungeon or better yet when you complete a raid you get a scroll that is for your job and then through the proper gear you can obtain that raid set.
Maybe we can call this the 3rd method of gearing, Raid, tomes and then "cursed" gear that is gained through melding the proper stats onto a piece of gear and then upgrading it to raid potential. It would offer crafters a bit of leverage in being useful to DOW/DOM more within them being the main focus since the scrolls that drop would only be in the lockout raid and the demand will only be as great as the amount of people doing the dungeon.
it would give raiders a reason to do other content like spiritbonding materia they need to gain that extra piece of high lv item level gear and it could also give the dev team an excuse to tune the content to be harder. -
12-05-2014, 05:04 AMDiana_PepperI've been doing the first half of FCoB for 6 weeks without seeing a single DRG gear, including STR accessories... May I please have one of your chestpiece please? :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim