Emperor Fish Farming (flint caviar)

I'm looking for some tips from all the fishermen out there. I'm a 4star CUL and I'm trying to efficiently farm Emperor fish to turn them into flint caviar. I have been told that the Emperor Fish is a tricky fish to catch especially when u have maxed out fisher gear (supra forgers gear etc) similar to how catching the Olgoi fish was harder with max perception in 2.3.

Please post any tips and tricks for efficiently catching this fish weather it's lowering your perception or equiping lower level fishing gear as I've been told low level fishers have had more success.

Baits I've seen mentioned so far are honey worms and silver spoons. Which is the best bait to isolate the abalathian smelts?

uhm, hard to catch? theres nothing special about emperor, I'm using syrphid baskets btw and get one all 20 min~

you cant even lose it once you have a bite, I cant see a problem with the fish
its just a random easy to catch 1 star fish

A friend with supra rod and all the foragers gear told me he only caught 5 of the fish in a 4 hour time frame. Does this lign up with your numbers?

I've found I have a much higher rate of catching them late at night. Also, I use na.ff14angler.com for all of my fishing info. Check it out. It's a godsend.

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Originally Posted by PROBOUND

A friend with supra rod and all the foragers gear told me he only caught 5 of the fish in a 4 hour time frame. Does this lign up with your numbers?

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yes, it does

because rng
if you call yourself a 4 star crafter you should have already experienced, that rng has a big influence on every part of the game, fishing is no exception

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Originally Posted by jwilliams133

I've found I have a much higher rate of catching them late at night. Also, I use na.ff14angler.com for all of my fishing info. Check it out. It's a godsend.

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do you know why? because thats the starbright timeframe and 90% of the people only fish during that time => less emperor caught during other daytimes in comparison

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

yes, it does

because rng

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Thanks for confirming. So i think we can both agree that "Easy" to catch doesn't properly describe this fish. Cuz.... RNG. Does Midget baskets give a chance at catching anything else besides the Alabathian smelts? Are there any baits that isolate them to minimize this rng?

As i said some low level fishers seem to be having better luck catching them with around 10-15 caught per hour. Which is the reason i posted this thread. To find out if anyone can confirm downgrading their gear helps. Or perhaps time of day or bait used etc.

what do you want to hear? Its a dice roll

first you need a HQ smelt and I posted you the bait which I use, then you have an amazing 1:5 chance to get an emperor bite
its a simple process without any other influences

if your friend only catches 4 in 5 hours he has just bad luck, I'm sorry for him

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

what do you want to hear?

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The gear ur using gathering/percep stats for one would help since thats essentially what this thread is about. Are you a max stat fisher or a a low level geared one etc.

RNG is a major part, but so is knowing what you're doing.

The fish you need to catch for your mooch is 35.
The next higher level fish at the hole is 37.
It's a freshwater hole.

Therefore, you want to use a freshwater bait, level 30+ and below 32, leaving only Syphilis Buskets. If you use anything higher, your chances drop quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

RNG is a major part, but so is knowing what you're doing.

The fish you need to catch for your mooch is 35.
The next higher level fish at the hole is 37.
It's a freshwater hole.

Therefore, you want to use a freshwater bait, level 30+ and below 32, leaving only Syphilis Buskets. If you use anything higher, your chances drop quite a bit.

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Thanks i'll try them out.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

Syphilis Buskets

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Calling them this from now on.

From the pros here, is it safe to say that with my stats being 338 Gathering with food I should be able to land this fish? Asking because I can mooch a Smelt and get the big fish sound from the reel no problem, but then I get a note telling me my gathering is insufficient to land the catch. Done this at the ice hole, latrines, and the one small pond south of Whitebrim if that helps rule out that maybe I’m landing something different entirely and just need to keep pushing.

you hooked starbright which is a big fish

emperor has no big fish sound, its an ordinary fish

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you hooked starbright which is a big fish

emperor has no big fish sound, its an ordinary fish

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thank you for responding and catching the big fish reel sound I threw in there. This info should help out a lot folks.

its somewhat tricky bc of the mooch. but i on average get one every 30-40 mins. the first one took me 2-3 hours to get tho! maybe ur just havin bad luck like i was at first. dont need full melds, its a one star fish. perception food is nice tho so you can get more chances at hqing the smelt so u can mooch. and hq emperors are nice for the quality boost obviously

I tested this out on my fisher alt.

The S. baskets will catch smelts and gobys. There is no bait that isolates smelts only. Kissing trout will bite on both HQ smelts and HQ gobys. Kissers have a higher bite rate than Emps.

1 stack of bait, 11 kissers, 4 HQ kissers, 2 emps. Gear is pre 2.4 max. I didn't time it but it was well under an hour.

I did some fishing for the emperors last night using Sylkis baskets. I only ended up catching 2 within an hour timespan. Oddly enough there was another fisherman beside me catching more of them and he was using a different bait which didnt isolate the smelts as efficiently but he still ended up catching more Emperors than me.

He seemed to have a higher emperor catch rate when he did land an HQ smelt. I ended up with 8 Kissing Trouts in that hour.

This is a thing about fishing that many sadly have not learned yet. Using the highest level gear for every fish just isnt going to work. I started using my 2.3 BiS gear looking for this fish and after over an hour got nothing. Then I decided to take off most of my melded gathering gear and leave on the high perception stuff, and took off all my i70 melded accessories. It works, getting almost all smelts and very few gobys and have gotten a few emperors so far.

Its still rng and switching gear wont help, sometimes you'll catch 3 in a row and sometimes nothing in 2 hours

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Originally Posted by electricblues42

This is a thing about fishing that many sadly have not learned yet. Using the highest level gear for every fish just isnt going to work. I started using my 2.3 BiS gear looking for this fish and after over an hour got nothing. Then I decided to take off most of my melded gathering gear and leave on the high perception stuff, and took off all my i70 melded accessories. It works, getting almost all smelts and very few gobys and have gotten a few emperors so far.

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I'm curious as to how this works. Why does this work?

Your gathering level should have no reason to affect how many low level fish you fish up. If you can isolate the fish efficiently with bait, then that is what will affect the fish caught at that hole.

Explain to me what gathering has anything to do with that?

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Originally Posted by electricblues42

This is a thing about fishing that many sadly have not learned yet. Using the highest level gear for every fish just isnt going to work. I started using my 2.3 BiS gear looking for this fish and after over an hour got nothing. Then I decided to take off most of my melded gathering gear and leave on the high perception stuff, and took off all my i70 melded accessories. It works, getting almost all smelts and very few gobys and have gotten a few emperors so far.

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RNG will be RNG. I've run similar tests and reached the opposite conclusion. Therefore, unless someone can provide proper data with a large sample size and the statistical tests to prove it, I'll continue to believe going beyond the minimum stats required for fish has no effect on catch rates.

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Originally Posted by electricblues42

This is a thing about fishing that many sadly have not learned yet. Using the highest level gear for every fish just isnt going to work. I started using my 2.3 BiS gear looking for this fish and after over an hour got nothing. Then I decided to take off most of my melded gathering gear and leave on the high perception stuff, and took off all my i70 melded accessories. It works, getting almost all smelts and very few gobys and have gotten a few emperors so far.

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Why would you ever take off high level gear and opt for lower. I "Sadly" would never do this.

Like most others have stated, it's rng. You will either catch a few in a session, or catch nothing. The kissing trout like to bite more then emperors.

Idk if this will help, but (for me) i always catch more when it's snowing. I think it's just luck. I use a Forager's Rod and Honey Worms.