Summoner Primal Limitations

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11-25-2014, 12:20 PM
Sangiin

Summoner Primal Limitations

Just curious why summoner is limited to the main 3 primals, seems like it could make for interesting strategies and abilities if summoner could also use a Leviathan-egi and a Ramuh-egi especially with the addition of Shiva, it would be neat to be able to summon them as well. Might make the summoner job a little too over powered but does anyone think this is something that could or should be added into the game in either a patch or the expansion?
11-25-2014, 12:37 PM
HulveinBlitz

More egis will be coming soon.

Please look forward to it.
11-25-2014, 01:03 PM
Sangiin

Where and when was this confirmed? Don't get me wrong i'm happy that it is being integrated but it seems like it would've been more talked about.
11-25-2014, 01:46 PM
StouterTaru

Expansion pack, level increase, look for new stuff for all jobs/classes.
11-25-2014, 02:48 PM
Meier

It was talked about a lot a while ago when it was announced, but that was so long ago...haha.
11-25-2014, 02:54 PM
Sangiin

Exactly haha thats why i'm worried it's been forgotten about =p
11-25-2014, 03:17 PM
Havenchild

They already confirmed it coming with the expansion. Their basic response was more or less [although they knew Levi and Ramuh and Soon to be (then) Shiva would come, they felt it would be unfair to the other classes for only one class to get new skills while the others didn't.] As such it was delayed till when all the classes would get upgrades and thus, that would naturally come from expansion with level cap increase.
11-25-2014, 03:21 PM
Sangiin

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

They already confirmed it coming with the expansion. Their basic response was more or less [although they knew Levi and Ramuh and Soon to be (then) Shiva would come, they felt it would be unfair to the other classes for only one class to get new skills while the others didn't.] As such it was delayed till when all the classes would get upgrades and thus, that would naturally come from expansion with level cap increase.

Ok That makes sense to me, it'll be interesting for sure to see how the game reacts with all the new content coming out in the expansion, i'm super stoked to see the changes for everything. Do you by chance know if they have set a release date for the expansion yet?
11-25-2014, 04:41 PM
Bishop81

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Originally Posted by Sangiin

Just curious why summoner is limited to the main 3 primals, seems like it could make for interesting strategies and abilities if summoner could also use a Leviathan-egi and a Ramuh-egi especially with the addition of Shiva, it would be neat to be able to summon them as well. Might make the summoner job a little too over powered but does anyone think this is something that could or should be added into the game in either a patch or the expansion?

Doesn't add much to be honest. The cost of switching Egis is prohibitive (6 sec cast, 532 MP). You will just use one pet, you have select at the start, throughout a fight.
11-26-2014, 12:43 PM
Sangiin

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

Doesn't add much to be honest. The cost of switching Egis is prohibitive (6 sec cast, 532 MP). You will just use one pet, you have select at the start, throughout a fight.

I am not suggesting summoning multiple egis per fight all I was saying by different strategies was that leviathan egi for example could add a slow debuff to enemies or shiva could silence or something. It would just give the devs more to work with especially if elemental resistance's became more prevalent.
11-26-2014, 06:15 PM
Bishop81

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Originally Posted by Sangiin

I am not suggesting summoning multiple egis per fight all I was saying by different strategies was that leviathan egi for example could add a slow debuff to enemies or shiva could silence or something. It would just give the devs more to work with especially if elemental resistance's became more prevalent.

Not suggesting multiple egis per fight either. Just pointing out that the strategy it added was limited to which Egi you start the fight with. During the fight, you can't adapt to changes.
11-26-2014, 07:44 PM
Havenchild

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Originally Posted by Sangiin

Ok That makes sense to me, it'll be interesting for sure to see how the game reacts with all the new content coming out in the expansion, i'm super stoked to see the changes for everything. Do you by chance know if they have set a release date for the expansion yet?

All we know is Spring 2015 atm.
11-26-2014, 11:06 PM
Cxplorer

I also want more summoning power.
11-26-2014, 11:28 PM
Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

Doesn't add much to be honest. The cost of switching Egis is prohibitive (6 sec cast, 532 MP). You will just use one pet, you have select at the start, throughout a fight.

Swiftcast.
11-27-2014, 02:41 AM
Bishop81

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Swiftcast.

Cooldown.

10 chars
11-27-2014, 04:40 AM
jars

once upon a time ifrit titan and garuda were the only primals
11-27-2014, 11:48 AM
Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

Cooldown.

10 chars

So if even one of the other egis had an ability equal in utility to contagion, you wouldn't use a 1min cooldown to take advantage of it ?
11-27-2014, 07:32 PM
Sunako

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

So if even one of the other egis had an ability equal in utility to contagion, you wouldn't use a 1min cooldown to take advantage of it ?

That would be good idea if pet summon do not cost mana, but its way too expensive. And i believe that new ability share cooldown with contagion if it is into it.
11-27-2014, 07:48 PM
Bishop81

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

So if even one of the other egis had an ability equal in utility to contagion, you wouldn't use a 1min cooldown to take advantage of it ?

One min is a pretty long CD for "frequent use". You switch, then it's one min before you can switch back. In the meantime if your pet drops dead ...

Also 532 MP. Ouch.

The current design of our pets is not suited to switching nor reliving at frequent intervals.

It's really an archaic design IMHO - a holdover from WoW. They want us to "take care" of our pets hence the heavy revival cost. But we are only given Sustain, a quick cast to avoid too much impact on our DPS, to do so.

It feels a tad "contradictory". You want us to take care of the pet, but give us limited tools and don't want us to shift our attention too much from DPSing.

IMHO it might be better to either make the pet invincible or make up keeping the pet a big part of the SMN "rotation" with a full toolkit to do so.
11-27-2014, 11:42 PM
dday3six

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Originally Posted by Bishop81

One min is a pretty long CD for "frequent use". You switch, then it's one min before you can switch back. In the meantime if your pet drops dead ...

Also 532 MP. Ouch.

The current design of our pets is not suited to switching nor reliving at frequent intervals.

It's really an archaic design IMHO - a holdover from WoW. They want us to "take care" of our pets hence the heavy revival cost. But we are only given Sustain, a quick cast to avoid too much impact on our DPS, to do so.

It feels a tad "contradictory". You want us to take care of the pet, but give us limited tools and don't want us to shift our attention too much from DPSing.

IMHO it might be better to either make the pet invincible or make up keeping the pet a big part of the SMN "rotation" with a full toolkit to do so.

For reference both Physick and Eye for an Eye work, and you can cross Stoneskin as well.

However, the main idea is so the player does not carelessly use the pet. Making it invincible would make it the "best" tank in the game assuming aggro is held, beyond the free, no downtime damage/healing. Tools to keep the pet alive are wasteful when proper placement and movement can do the same. Besides which unless they were free, simply re-summoning would be more cost effective in the long-run anyhow.
11-30-2014, 01:23 AM
Sangiin

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Originally Posted by dday3six

For reference both Physick and Eye for an Eye work, and you can cross Stoneskin as well.

However, the main idea is so the player does not carelessly use the pet. Making it invincible would make it the "best" tank in the game assuming aggro is held, beyond the free, no downtime damage/healing. Tools to keep the pet alive are wasteful when proper placement and movement can do the same. Besides which unless they were free, simply re-summoning would be more cost effective in the long-run anyhow.

I personally think that with the abilities listed above, your egi should not die especially if you are communicating with the tank so your egi isn't (Assuming you aren't running Titan) If the fight feels like it needs a switch i personally will use a swift cast CD to change it up as you can make up the mp fairly quick by using energy drain instead of fester sometimes. Especially since aetherflow is only 60 seconds as well.
11-30-2014, 01:28 AM
RyuDragnier

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Originally Posted by Sangiin

I am not suggesting summoning multiple egis per fight all I was saying by different strategies was that leviathan egi for example could add a slow debuff to enemies or shiva could silence or something. It would just give the devs more to work with especially if elemental resistance's became more prevalent.

I have a feeling that Levi will be the debuff master of the egis, with Shiva being the AoE master (with a slightly lower damage output than Ifrit to avoid outclassing him and making him useless).