Heavensward artwork [Possible 2.5/Heavensward spoilers]

That's Midgardsormr right?
http://i.imgur.com/tUBGUY0.jpg

His wings look about the same
http://i.imgur.com/9gEbd9k.jpg

and the tail looks the same too
http://i.imgur.com/UgH1OWb.jpg

Interesting. :)

Could be. Looks like a duck, quacks like a duck... buuuut...

On one hand, all signs point to Midgardsormr making an appearance in 2.5. On the other hand, he's been the defining feature of Mor Dhona's landscape since 2010. They can't just remove him for anybody that's completed up to a certain point. Forget that people would lose the #1 screenshot destination of FFXIV, but that Sightseeing Log entry would be... problematic, at best, lol. So, how could he return for 2.5 without making that skeleton disappear? In an Echo? As a primal? Summon his essence from the Lifestream? Reborn as Jormungandr? Most of those have a limited shelf-life and if the big reveal was that he was permanently coming back, PR probably would have held that art back a little longer.

Also depends on who you think the dragon in the Heavensward trailer is.

It's been hinted for a long time that Nidhogg would return, and like Midgardsormr he is a king among their kind.

Yep. The 2.4 story hints at it too.

I figured that was the dragon in the DRG story. Nidg.... something. Don't remember how it's spelled.

Is there not a battle in 3.0 titled "Wyrmking vs. Thordan and his Knights Twelve" and is Midgarsormr not the Wyrmking? A case can be made for Nidhogg but, afaik, we haven't heard anything about him coming back to life (out of hibernation)...yet. Food for thought.

EDIT: It's still very, very, very probable that we'll see Midgarsormr in 2.5, maybe even have a chat with him, but the conclusion to all that business will likely be left for the expansion.

Didn't Midgarsormr get killed in the Sixths Astral Era?

Spoiler Tagged in case someone doesn't know about it.

I assume that the 3rd image is just a reminiscence towards him since he wrung himself around the ship -( you can see the ship - I used to assume that it was a crystal) to bring down the garelans.

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

Didn't Midgarsormr get killed in the Sixths Astral Era?

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I don't want to spoil anything for you so all I'll say is, play through the 2.4 story.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

It's been hinted for a long time that Nidhogg would return, and like Midgardsormr he is a king among their kind.

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FCoB spoilers

Bahamut was a king among dragons too. And his lifeless yet regenerating body was still in the coils when Lou sent us into the burning heart. Death means nothing in Eorzea when wishes and crystals can create anything.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

Is there not a battle in 3.0 titled "Wyrmking vs. Thordan and his Knights Twelve" and is Midgarsormr not the Wyrmking?

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Midgardsormr is most certainly a wyrm king, but is he the Wyrmking?

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Originally Posted by Fernehalwes

Yoshi-p dropped a few bombs last week revealing that both Midgardsormr and Nidhogg were not primals, but dragon ‘kings.’

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In 1.0, there was a location called Wyrmking's Perch in Northwest Coerthas. I'm not saying it's not impossible that it was named for Midgardsormr, but he lived a region over, unseen and allegedly sleeping in a lake, tasked with protecting Silvertear Falls for gods know how long, whereas Nidhogg personally set Ishgard on fire eight times.

Of course, if there's two dragon kings, there's probably more. What of Fafnir? Vrtra? Tiamat? Ouryu? SE could pull any of them out, really.

I won't be counting those puk before they hatch.

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

A case can be made for Nidhogg but, afaik, we haven't heard anything about him coming back to life (out of hibernation)...yet.

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Dragoon Story Arc

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Originally Posted by Estinein

A premonition came to me by virtue of the dragon within, warning me that the great wyrm would soon rouse. Even as he slumbered, Nidhogg seethed with irrepressible rancor for that wound of twenty years ago. That rancor will send him flying as a speeding arrow to Ishgard, whereupon death and devastation will ensue. But there is a possible solution: were the Eye taken to a remote land, far from the Holy See—then, and only then, could destruction be averted and the lives of innocent Ishgardians be spared.

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Originally Posted by Evane

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Death definitely doesn't mean too much in Eorzea, though one could argue that

Bahamut, first of the Meracydian brood, didn't truly return any more than Good King Moggle Mog XII did, whereas these dragons look to be quite legitimately living scalekin

On the other hand, the dragons seen in the Heavensward trailer are of the same species that Midgardsormr summoned from Dravania for the Battle of Silvertear Skies, and we've never seen them in any other capacity, yet.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

but he lived a region over, unseen and allegedly sleeping in a lake, tasked with protecting Silvertear Falls for gods know how long
Death definitely doesn't mean too much in Eorzea, though one could argue that

Bahamut, first of the Meracydian brood, didn't truly return any more than Good King Moggle Mog XII did, whereas these dragons look to be quite legitimately living scalekin

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Unseen and allegedly sleeping.

We have not seen him appear or awaken, he was just there. But there is this possibility that he is as much a "primal" as our Good King. Bahamut retained his form when fought in the Burning Heart (albeit smaller maybe due to technical reasons/being of appropriate size to be fought by players.) If that dragon on the logo is in fact Midgarsormr, then he is a primal and was one during the opening cutscene of 1.0. I know the devs said he wasn't a "primal", but that was before the broadening of the word's definition. Who knows, maybe Moenbryda will come up with a new name for those creatures in the coming patches. :p

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Originally Posted by treuhavik

I don't want to spoil anything for you so all I'll say is, play through the 2.4 story.

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Feel free to do so. I'm still catching up story bits and pieces as I had to skip a lot due to progress with the FC ^^

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Originally Posted by IrealiTY

Feel free to do so.

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There's one of those brief "please look forward to the next patch" foreshadowing moments where the Ishgardians reveal that interpretations of the stars presage the return of Midgardsormr. Later, Lady Iceheart tells you to visit The Keeper (Midgardsormr is known as the Keeper of the Lake, guardian of Silvertear Falls) to see things with your own eyes.

Huh, apparently anything in HB tags doesn't count, because I'm getting warned to /10characters.

A new way to edit the post to circumvent the limits, maybe?

Hmm... I'll have to take that back. Moose, you've changed my mind on that battle I mentioned. The link between Ishgard, Dragoons and Nidhogg is too strong to deny.

I'd still like to think we'll fight Midgarsormr... Either way, we'll see something of him in 2.5, his story will likely lead us into 3.0 and I'm still willing to bet a couple gil that 'Middy' is going to be our 'big bad' for 3.0.

Also, I wouldn't put it past them to pit us against all the big FF dragons, if not all at once like XI's Bahamut fight but.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/30047787.jpg

Here's a thought, Midgaursormer and Nidhog are both Wyrmkings. Bahamut was an Anchent Wyrm King before he became an Elder Primal. (I'm starting to beleive "Elder" Primal means that they were once living beings that were made primals over time since that fit's Odin as well) So who's to say that there is only one Wyrmking at a time. Though I loath to cross unrelated game lores, if we take the dragon higharcy of Skyrim into acount, Alduin while lord of All dragons, was not the only Dragon King but simply was the most powerful of them. So it's possible that Midgaursormer, Nidhogg, and many others, possibly even the Great Dragon Shenryu from FF5 may be Wyrmkings and we turn out to battel them all at one point or anouther. I'd also like to point out that in RW mythology dragons could shapshift, so it may be possible that in Dravania they actually ARE Kings of certin areas and it's simply an ability of Dravanians to shift between Dragonkin and Humonoid forms as they see fit.

From Fern, all an "Elder Primal" is is one which has been worshiped for a very long time. Bahamut was worshiped for thousands of years, dating all the way back to the Third Astral Era. Odin is similarly ancient.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

There's one of those brief "please look forward to the next patch" foreshadowing moments where the Ishgardians reveal that interpretations of the stars presage the return of Midgardsormr. Later, Lady Iceheart tells you to visit The Keeper (Midgardsormr is known as the Keeper of the Lake, guardian of Silvertear Falls) to see things with your own eyes.

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To add:

The horde of dragons with Midgardsormr at the battle of SilverTear Skies were Dravanian, not Meracydian.

I wonder if CT being in Mor Dhona and just the past history of Allagan/their technology is in anyway connected to Midgardsormr. We already know the bosses of Final CT. I'm referring directly to the Tower itself and its technology and the Allagan's common enemy being dragons in general. Perhaps the Tower has defensive tech which stops Midgardsormr from reappearing and clearing Final CT might trigger an event shutdown of defenses and the crystal drawing power from the sun.

Pure assumption.

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Originally Posted by Numenor1379

From Fern, all an "Elder Primal" is is one which has been worshiped for a very long time. Bahamut was worshiped for thousands of years, dating all the way back to the Third Astral Era. Odin is similarly ancient.

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True, I forgot about that. And we already know when it comes to summoning primals that both myth and the long dead can be called forth as primals as long as the conditions are met. So even though Saint Shiva and Odin were once living beings they are primals because they have been summoned via crystals and worship. So weather he be Dead made living or myth made fleash Bahamute is still simply a Long Worshiped primal summoned by the Meracydians long ago.

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Originally Posted by Anonymoose

There's one of those brief "please look forward to the next patch" foreshadowing moments where the Ishgardians reveal that interpretations of the stars presage the return of Midgardsormr. Later, Lady Iceheart tells you to visit The Keeper (Midgardsormr is known as the Keeper of the Lake, guardian of Silvertear Falls) to see things with your own eyes.

Huh, apparently anything in HB tags doesn't count, because I'm getting warned to /10characters.

A new way to edit the post to circumvent the limits, maybe?

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Thanks for clarifying. :D

(Potential spoilers in links.)

Not to mention that the true dragon god is still out there somewhere. Either sleeping in a deep, dark, undisclosed location or lying in wait within the void ready to strike. In every case where he's existed, he's always proven that Bahamut is far from the most powerful.

...and with an ancient machination (often considered aforementioned dragon god's only true equal in power) threatening to be unearthed at Carteneau, it may be more inevitable than we think.