Thanks, Devs!

No sarcasm folks, move along.

I am actually posting to thank the devs for making Atma a reasonable thing to go after by increasing the drop rate. As of this morning, I've been able to get 4 more Atma which may go toward the Yoshimitsu if I don't get Vajras first. This is the progress that we've been looking for in the Relic questline.

Again, thanks.

Progress was already there you just had to do it, but you decided you didnt want to do it. Making things easier will end up killing the game. You see with out any challenge or long term goals the game becomes stale, boring and old fast. Humans need challenge not something that is stale and boring. Yes somethings are repetative but that is something that cant be avoided even in real life. If everything is easy or is handed to you than you learn nothing, but if something presents a challenge regardless if its a grind it can teach you patience, will power etc.

I can not thank the dev's for nerfing content as this is something that should not happen as quick as it dose.

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Originally Posted by maxthunder1

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I've seen this argument a LOT...in games that are still around with active playerbases even 10 years later. I have yet to see any evidence that making old content easier actually harms a game.
Most of the games I know that've gone under have been because of content being inaccessible, not too easy. Also bad management but that's neither here nor there.

*edit* and also, thanks to the devs as well. The atma droprate increase is definitely welcome. Timesinks involving RNG =/= difficulty.

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The only thing they're making easier is catching up to the rest of us. If they keep old content "hard", it will become more and more difficult for new players to get into content as the rest of us move on. Imagine a year into Heavensward when everyone is busy with the second or third version of the new raid it has to offer. How many veterans will be around the early game stuff to get these people through the mud and up where the rest of us are? This game is still pretty new. The disparity is not where it will be later on.

^ I hope they dont keep the same raid pattern. 4 bosses ever six months. If that stays the same so many people will quit.

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^ I hope they dont keep the same raid pattern. 4 bosses ever six months. If that stays the same so many people will quit.

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last time I checked we had 2 raids per cycle with 8 bosses total. Yes one is easy, but 2 raids nevertheless... Also, if people quit because "not enuf raid bosses", I ask them : "Do you prefer 4 (relatively) hard bosses every cycle or 20 idiotic tank and spank sharing the mechanics of precedent 4 ?"

i.e, 4 harder fights or 20 "I have one sole mechanics to throw at your face" boring fights ?

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All that doom and gloom will end up killing the game.

The appeal of being the third* wheel is too great... I also am thankful the devs ensure players are not left in the dust from time. I used to play pretty hardcore (in WoW) and back then catching up would have been more like I'm so high I can barely see the whelps below. Now I can't dedicate so much time and I'm the whelp lol, I appreciate the rolling mountain. If I put in that extra oomph I can hit the peaks but otherwise at least im staying somewhere near the base and not getting avalanched to the next town back.

Although, a little more help- one week roll over forgiveness on stones would be nice... lol, I was busy last week >.<.

Would be neat to set in special options for non-nerfed/challange content via party finder/in server only options (don't want to dilute the DF pool). We sort of already have that with Savage Coil. Maybe cute little check boxes "Demon Wall Gnatts checkbox, +1 chest at wall".

*Fourth, bah Alukah! :P

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Progress was already there you just had to do it, but you decided you didnt want to do it. Making things easier will end up killing the game. You see with out any challenge or long term goals the game becomes stale, boring and old fast. Humans need challenge not something that is stale and boring. Yes somethings are repetative but that is something that cant be avoided even in real life. If everything is easy or is handed to you than you learn nothing, but if something presents a challenge regardless if its a grind it can teach you patience, will power etc.

I can not thank the dev's for nerfing content as this is something that should not happen as quick as it dose.

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Man, the FFXI brainwashing is strong in this one.

what will eventually kill the game is if they keep it dungeon.

After a while it takes its toll, I just started to play again after a 3 week break and only did two dungeons and already sick of it.

Main reason I feel like the goal is armor after story is over that's what it all comes down to armor grinding so 15 bucks a month for armor levels.

Reason I still play is well things like ultros fight and classic fights, I wanna see cloud of darkness and waiting for golden saucer, I am trying to be patient but dungeon spamming gets super old quick and hunts are okay but tiring also teleporting all over the place, although like I said still for gear, should be some other goals in the game not sure why they haven't added them.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Man, the FFXI brainwashing is strong in this one.

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So eloquently put... I need to remember this line for when people get on their soapbox of 'FFXI WAS TEH GREATEST MMO EVAARRRR!!!!!11111oneoneoneone"....

-feeds cookie-

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So eloquently put... I need to remember this line for when people get on their soapbox of 'FFXI WAS TEH GREATEST MMO EVAARRRR!!!!!11111oneoneoneone"....

-feeds cookie-

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FFXI was the greatest MMO ever, so many great memories, I have played many MMO nothing compares.

FFXIV is great but it could be 100X better, that's why FFXI is the Flagship game and it was on ps2 which runs on old tech but expected old games usually beat out new graphic games.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Man, the FFXI brainwashing is strong in this one.

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Wait where did FFXI come from? I never once mentioned it.

Also doom and gloom really no its reality, why do you think there is a cash shop? The cash shop is there because the game isnt doing as great as it has been made out to. The content is boring no matter what you wish to think or believe. Dungeons really they are a joke they teach nothing, they dont pose any real threat, same with the open world there is no real threat it is zerg everything. Thats why we have such a horrid community because of how easy everything is.

What needs to be done is 1st change all dungeons to open world dungeons than remove the duty finder (no more cross server play) keep party finder once this is done players will know have to be responsible for their behavior. Instance dungeons should be for some things not every damn thing in the game.

Leveling should take longer than it currently dose and the class and job quests should be difficult to teach players how to play job and or classes. A game can be fun as well as provide education in how to play it. Currently this game dose neither.

So we have vertical progress but yet we have no horizontal for gear or weapons it is only one way, there is very little wiggle room to make your character stand out in combat (vanity dose nothing).

Dev's waste so much time on making vanity items and gear yet they have forgotten how to make content. They are more concerned with policing the community vanity and giving in to the demands of the layer base to make things easier. Just because some players can not complete the content right away or it takes some longer dosent mean they wont complete what ever it is they are trying to do.

This is why game have become stale and boring, its all a rush to the top and they forget get that it is about the journey.

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Wait where did FFXI come from? I never once mentioned it.

Also doom and gloom really no its reality, why do you think there is a cash shop? The cash shop is there because the game isnt doing as great as it has been made out to. The content is boring no matter what you wish to think or believe. Dungeons really they are a joke they teach nothing, they dont pose any real threat, same with the open world there is no real threat it is zerg everything. Thats why we have such a horrid community because of how easy everything is.

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Cash shops can help pad a loss but the existence of a cash shop does not necessarily mean a game is doing poorly. WoW is drowning in money and it has a cash shop (not that I like cash shops).

Boring is an opinion, kind of funny that you say that no matter what peoples opinions are they're wrong.... I do wish the open world posed more risk but hey according to SE they listened and the expansion has a bit more risk to it. Having done a lot of DF content I don't think the dungeons are too bad for that, maybe PF could use some difficulty to reward scaling options though. Large (diverse) population anything is bound to look bad to the glass is half full person - one person in the party is a jerk, whole party is stained.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Man, the FFXI brainwashing is strong in this one.

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What brainwashing? Making things easier change nothing because those who give up on atma will give up on novus
those who can't kill T5 will give up on T9
The only thing making stuff easier is change the first few words in the daily X is too hard thread

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Originally Posted by HeroSamson

FFXI was the greatest MMO ever, so many great memories, I have played many MMO nothing compares.

FFXIV is great but it could be 100X better, that's why FFXI is the Flagship game and it was on ps2 which runs on old tech but expected old games usually beat out new graphic games.

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I played FFXI as well. I spent over 9 years in that game and the memories I've formed in Vana'diel are something precious to me.
However to say that FFXI was the greatest MMO ever is an exaggeration. FFXI, at its peak had issues that never got addressed. Even now some of those issues maintain.
Despite the many memories that I have in FFXI, I refuse to look at it through rose colored glasses.
Just because something is imperfect doesn't mean that I cannot care for it.

I just hope they increase the rate of alex by the time I start working on my 2nd weapon.
55/75 and it's burning me out doing expert everyday/hunts/maps.

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FFXI was the greatest MMO ever, so many great memories, I have played many MMO nothing compares.

FFXIV is great but it could be 100X better, that's why FFXI is the Flagship game and it was on ps2 which runs on old tech but expected old games usually beat out new graphic games.

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The PS2 version of FFXI was the most gimped thing ever.

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Originally Posted by hallena

Making things easier change nothing because those who give up on atma will give up on novus

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Being able to receive Alexandrites in several ways (most of them being controllable by the player) is a far cry from battling the RNG for Atma drops. Hunts, dungeon runs for Soldiery, maps. Atmas only come from grinding FATEs.

And anyway, increasing the Atma drop rate has done nothing to change the Animus book/Alexandrite/light grinds. It's still going to take a casual player months to get a Nexus.

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And anyway, increasing the Atma drop rate has done nothing to change the Animus book/Alexandrite/light grinds. It's still going to take a casual player months to get a Nexus.

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That's my point. The posts will be about novus/nexus taking too long now instead of atma. Making thing easier change absolutely nothing at all. People prefer complaining instead of putting time into stuff because they know soon or later the devs will spoonfeed them.

And don't even bring the "Casual have no time for this" card. I have a job, daily workout, i have to take care of my grandfather with cancer and i found the time to grind out my nexus.
There's a difference between not being able to do something and not wanting to do something. Making thing easier only encourage the lazy generation behaviors

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That's my point. The posts will be about novus/nexus taking too long now instead of atma. Making thing easier change absolutely nothing at all. People prefer complaining instead of putting time into stuff because they know soon or later the devs will spoonfeed them.

And don't even bring the "Casual have no time for this" card. I have a job, daily workout, i have to take care of my grandfather with cancer and i found the time to grind out my nexus.
There's a difference between not being able to do something and not wanting to do something. Making thing easier only encourage the lazy generation behaviors

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Or that the content starts out as a wall for the gifted of time/ability/asking for a thrashing and then bends down for the those who are not, reaching the needs of multiple types of -paying- customers. Not everyone plays games because they want Demon Souls/FFXI, some people are content with a fast progression during the short time they spend. I think balancing both players at the same time is going to always create this both sides complaining at once effect, but I imagine it meets both in a way best for SE's pocket (meaning it can reach out to the most consumers). There is nothing wrong with a niche game, for those players that like the niche, but this isn't like FFXI - it isn't a niche game (FFXI is quite successful example of one though).

Also having strict time frames compounded and joining a game late really really sucks, speeding up the old stuff makes it so new people can join without starting their first mountain climb into the himalayas as everyone else shouts " you're going to die, you'll never make it up here - you should have joined the game 5 years ago" XD.

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Also having strict time frames compounded and joining a game late really really sucks, speeding up the old stuff makes it so new people can join without starting their first mountain climb into the himalayas as everyone else shouts " you're going to die, you'll never make it up here - you should have joined the game 5 years ago" XD.

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I think removing the lockout on previous coils is a good enough way to catch up though. Making T1-8 the easiest thing in the world is not teaching player how to deal with the incoming T9 brickwall in their way

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That's my point. The posts will be about novus/nexus taking too long now instead of atma. Making thing easier change absolutely nothing at all. People prefer complaining instead of putting time into stuff because they know soon or later the devs will spoonfeed them.

There's a difference between not being able to do something and not wanting to do something. Making thing easier only encourage the lazy generation behaviors

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The Atma grind hasn't been made easier. It was never difficult to begin with. It's simply been made more equitable. The Animus/Novus/Nexus grinds are the same for all players: put in one unit of effort, and you're rewarded with one unit of progress. The more effort you put in, the faster you'll have your weapon. The Atma grind was fundamentally different for all players: put in one unit of effort, and there is a low chance you will be rewarded with one unit of progress. So even if two players put the same amount of effort in -- let's say 12 hours each -- one player can walk away with 12 Atmas, and the other can walk away with zero. How anyone can defend this system is beyond me.


But there's another thing to consider here. Atma weapons have the exact same stats as Zenith weapons. So after doing the Atma grind, you haven't earned a new weapon -- You've simply earned the right to begin the upgrade process, which is the real grind. Why do we need the RNG to block access to this?

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The PS2 version of FFXI was the most gimped thing ever.

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Still in its prime it did the job, I remember unpacking it and playing for first time, I was hooked staying up all night running into walls and getting killed while passing out and meeting people becoming good friends laughing at the party running to selbina from ghost or angry goblins.

As someone who did their first atma at start(and needed near 1000 fates for it) I applaud that they buffed the drop rate. When hunts came out I decided to start on my second one BUT this one I did with hunt fates and maybe 5-10 fates every so often. It took me ~200 fates for that second one. I do NOT wish the 1000fates or more on ANYONE in this game EVER with such an RNG.

Okay so 4 myth is 1 sold. So 1500 myth was a book should be 375 per book, but it's 500. the alex was 800 myth but now it's 400 sold, should be 200. They speed up atmas but slowed down the next two steps. I understand you get more soldiery from stuff but it still doesnt even out. Yes, Thank you Devs.

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Okay so 4 myth is 1 sold. So 1500 myth was a book should be 375 per book, but it's 500. the alex was 800 myth but now it's 400 sold, should be 200. They speed up atmas but slowed down the next two steps. I understand you get more soldiery from stuff but it still doesnt even out. Yes, Thank you Devs.

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You just countered your own point. The conversion rate of myth to sold has nothing to do with anything, since Sold as it stands now is gained at the same rate as myth was prior to the change, with a few exceptions (namely hunts). You can't gain anymore myth to swap for sold, so the conversion rate is more of a perk to those that kept myth than an ACTUAL conversion rate. It's still a net discount on basically everything.

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Okay so 4 myth is 1 sold. So 1500 myth was a book should be 375 per book, but it's 500. the alex was 800 myth but now it's 400 sold, should be 200. They speed up atmas but slowed down the next two steps. I understand you get more soldiery from stuff but it still doesnt even out. Yes, Thank you Devs.

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Currency rewards will be buffed again in 2.5, don't compare 2.4 with 2.3 (which pretty much spoiled everyone) compare it with 2.2.

Also don't use currency exchange to compare, compare the actual rewards from DR and instances.

It is not a net discount. The instances that are "even" with the current prices on the duty finder compared to amount of myth we used to get is Copperbellmines (Hard) and higher. Which means there are 16 instances where sold was lowered not to the half point mark of mythology. So as long as you only do Copperbell mines or harder you would have an EVEN amount of time for getting books/atma. the 16 other instances will be SLOWER than the old way. Argue whatever way you want. It's slower, or you're restriced to half the game.

I agree with OP, I greatly appreciate Atma drops being increased!

I mean, it happened after I finally got my Bravura Atma... T_T

But it's nice all the same! Loving the lack of jade in the original post! =D

Really? We're about to be in 3.0 and these tired, baisc, nagtive ***** still coming on here with this same 2.0 comment?! Please.. spare us the same old doom and gloom that you thought was going to happen in 2.0.

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Also doom and gloom really no its reality, why do you think there is a cash shop?

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I suggest you stop comparing other failed MMOs to this one regarding the history of Cash Shops being doom.

SE made the call to add it. To generate more money besides subs. The game just released in China, with over 1M pre-orders. They were just in Korea, promoting the game there as well for release.

In 2.1 we hit over 500k different players per day at any given time. This game easily has over 1M+ subs and it's goal was never to hit WoW figures. On top of everything they even spent money on 3 Fanfest events and the on going Live F.A.T.Es since the launch of the game.

With a major patch every 3 months and the amount of content alone in them, your vanity opinion is a joke. Your main concern is mostly vertical progression and how it's content is implemented.