Something Needs To Change

I have been trying to infuse this last savage might materia IV for about 7 days now. I have blown up 15.5 million gil trying to infuse this last one. Please either change the infuse % or sell materia IVs from a npc for like 1500 solderys. The cost is to damn high 550-600k a pop is nonsense. Spending all this time farming gil, i cant get anything done. Its very discouraging to have so much wasted on something so trival as one materia. Please please do something, change it.

I doubt they will change the rules for this now as the people who already spent all their time on this phase of Relic would then be pissed off.

Sphere scrolls will only allow certain materias in each step, once you have started that tree.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

Use a cheaper materia for the last one? Also I doubt they will change the rules for this now as the people who already spent all their time on this phase of Relic would then be pissed off.

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If its for the Novus, they wouldn't be able to use a lower tiered Materia. And I agree with him. The cost of materias is too damn high :P

There is nothing to fix/change and heres why:

1: Materia prices are players fault not SE:s
2: Its free of choice to pursue relic or not, soldiery weapon is more then enough to do any content in this game right now and there will always be weapons to go for that dosnt require massive amounts of grind/time/gil in the future.
3: Spiritbond your own gear, if you got gather/crafting classes its gonna cost you nothing but time.

And alltho id agree that 75 materia would be enough and that the % chance to fail wasnt needed, its not something that SE could just change now cause that would cause endless rioting from those that already went thru the pain (me included).

If only i90+ gear guaranteed IV materia ...

It is SE fault. There change to SB destroyed materia. Either see materia from a NPC or change the % on how to obtain IVs. Have ilvl70+ gear have like a 99% chance to convert to IVs. this 3% is bogus.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

If its for the Novus, they wouldn't be able to use a lower tiered Materia. And I agree with him. The cost of materias is too damn high :P

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Oh right, I haven't done that phase in months thought it could be any.

I can understand sticking to it, as just 1 point off (you should be able to stick a tier 1 of some other type you haven't already infused, right?) would frustrate me every time I looked at the unevenness of it all. Keep at it! I'm going for DET on mine, too, but I'm still a long way off. For me, though, that means lots of time to spiritbond lvl 46 equipment and hope for the 10% IV's (got one Acc and one Det already :) )

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Originally Posted by Earendur

I have been trying to infuse this last savage might materia IV for about 7 days now. I have blown up 15.5 million gil trying to infuse this last one. Please either change the infuse % or sell materia IVs from a npc for like 1500 solderys. The cost is to damn high 550-600k a pop is nonsense. Spending all this time farming gil, i cant get anything done. Its very discouraging to have so much wasted on something so trival as one materia. Please please do something, change it.

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Just give up on it go for the ironworks weapons.

At the rate armor and weapons and same strength and power I see no reason to waste gil on such a thing, if I want it i'll do it later when prices go down FFXI 101

Being told to just give up on something when you are one point away must be immensely frustrating. Especially when he has absolutely no control over it. I can understand needing lots of money for a relic but unlike Relics in XI, the money spent wasn't "gambled" away. You had to buy or farm X so much currency items back then and once you had them That was it! No gambling! You just turned em in. However I can see how XIV's relic can make anyone bonkers. Firstly you have no control over the cost of the materia's should you decide to buy them, then you have no control over whether or not you succeed or fail the meld. To be honest, I believe that in this case for Novus relics there should be 0 chance of failure, and I personally dont think that's too much to ask for. And if SE did ever change the way Relics were materia'd to reflect this, I wouldnt be angry even though I have already completed mine. I'd be happy for all the folks after me that dont have to go through that hell. Not to mention, impeding progress just for ego/selfishness is kind of retarded.

I mean take coil for example. Tons of people are butt hurt about that, but they still eased the content. Materia's for Novus should be no different.

Unless you are on the cutting edge of progression (which I know you are not), one point of DET, SS or Crit will not matter (Acc can, but it can regardless of what "tier" you belong to). The gain from a single point is almost non-existent; you have to stack certain amounts to really see an effect.

Planning ahead and melding Acc to your weapon, 5, 10, 15, even 20 points, not only saves the headache of the player-set materia prices, but allows more flexibility in gear choices which could be more beneficial overall.

I'm an FCoB WAR; my Bravura Nexus has 20 Acc, 25 DET and 31 Crit on it. No one in my static has ever wished I melded my Novus axe "properly" with 31 DET and 44 Crit; that slight bit of DPS I'd gain (possibly; have to make up the lost acc from somewhere else, which could lose me DPS from that switch) isn't going to make or break our raid.

If I had 15.5 Million gil (Which, I've never even had 500,000 Gil at one time, ever) I'd buy a house, or continue saving for a small house, that way I could cross-breed thav onions and then make a fortune (Doing so only needs up to level 30-45 Gathering classes or so. Cross-breeding from the base seeds/etc.)

That's why I don't care about relic weapons.

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Originally Posted by Evangela

That's why I don't care about relic weapons.

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The problem is that you sort of get pulled into them through the A Relic Reborn quest. Going from regular relic to +1/Zenith was reasonable. Post-nerf Atma has become somewhat reasonable. Novus inherited the "whoa that's a lot of wasted time/resources" crown formerly worn by Atma. Then came nexus which was somewhat reasonable. Hammering down the unreasonable stuff to a reasonable level would do a lot to help relics.

I gave up on the last 2 crit slots for my bow after losing 3 crit IVs and that was with gear I SBed myself. Then split the remaining points I had between skillspeed and accuracy just to be safe on both(in case they ever make skillspeed a thing beyond ups too much of it your TP is gone).

I'm working on a second novus for my whm but that's still in the animus book phase(just because I want to I have the sol weapon and it's perfectly servicable).

This is why I don't meld stuff. Rather wait out a few extra weeks to beat coil then be one of the first on server lol

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Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer

There is nothing to fix/change and heres why:

1: Materia prices are players fault not SE:s
2: Its free of choice to pursue relic or not, soldiery weapon is more then enough to do any content in this game right now and there will always be weapons to go for that dosnt require massive amounts of grind/time/gil in the future.
3: Spiritbond your own gear, if you got gather/crafting classes its gonna cost you nothing but time.

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All of this.

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Originally Posted by Earendur

It is SE fault. There change to SB destroyed materia.

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I actually like the changes and I know some others do too. It's quite effective to the spiritbound rate for higherilvl items now, depending on the content. So spiritbond rate is increased which means more chances at getting materia. You, like many others, are being hit with supply and demand once again.

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Originally Posted by Ruri

I doubt they will change the rules for this now as the people who already spent all their time on this phase of Relic would then be pissed off.

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You got that right considering it cost me over 40 million to finish my weapon

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Originally Posted by Earendur

It is SE fault. There change to SB destroyed materia. Either see materia from a NPC or change the % on how to obtain IVs. Have ilvl70+ gear have like a 99% chance to convert to IVs. this 3% is bogus.

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I don't know how it is in your server, but here the change to SB did nothing to materia IV and materia III became worthless, as now people sb sets like 30% faster in content relevant to the gear level. When I did my second novus I had to pay more for materia II than materia III, while materia IV was already expensive before that patch.

The change to SB was definitely good.

The reason materia took a huge spike a few weeks ago was the 110 gear being introduced, and the prices are starting to settle down now.

For SB, the best way to get TIV is to have a SB dungeon party with some FC mates. Have a FC crafter make 4 sets of ilvl90 armor, stick a couple junk materia on each, then run the top 3 high level dungeons (the stone vigil hard tier). After 4 dungeons convert it all, each dungeon runner keeps 2-3 materia of their choice, and gives the rest to the crafter. Conversion rate on ilvl90 to TIV is around 75%.