Coooooool Fight Ideas

I wanna hear your ideas of what a cool fight could be. I encourage you to all post something serious, and something funny/over-the-top.

For my serious idea, I think it'd be pretty awesome to fight a boss that splits your party into four parties of two, and forces you to work in teams of two to take down an add. And then later this mechanic is repeated but now you're solo :0. The add can and should be very tough; imagine fighting doing your level 50 job quest in sub 50 gear, and triple that difficulty. Failure on your part would buff the boss by keeping the adds alive and healers would have to go out of their way to raise you, or they would be unable to raise you at all, because maybe you can't make your way back to the arena.

For something silly, I do think it'd be fun to fight a gigantic boss in parts, like Titan in FFXIII...if we could actually fight him lol. Start at his toes and work our way up.

My first idea is for something like Coil level raiding by the way, and the second for 24 man casual/easy content.

A primal fight where you fight the deadly monster, DDOS. It has a one-shot kill-all attack that not only kills the party but DCs them, and everyone on the server :P

Just kidding peeps :)

For the first 30 seconds, everyone gets a debuff that reduces max HP, except the main tank, to 1 that cannot be removed. During this time, the boss will spam avoidable AoEs that deal 1 damage and only that for the entire 30 seconds after which his damage goes back to normal. If anyone dies, the boss gains a permanent damage stack that more or less increases his damage by 10% every stack. The boss will prolly go all Touhou-style to whoop everyone's asses. :D

Ive never really thought about what would be my cool fight idea. but I guess rather than insta-death mechanics, Id love an entirely randomized fight with attacks that do serious damage but not instant death. Make its so you are always on your toes, but not so much so that you cant recover should one or two persons die.

how about something like we, as the warriors of light, find out through some story events that a national treasure protected by all 3 city-states becomes corrupted or will cause some cataclysmic event and only those with the echo can tell. thus trying to thwart the impending threat/doom we attempt to steal/destroy said artifact only to be confronted by the leaders of every class guild or maybe the main npcs from the job questlines, who at that point think we're the bad guys and try to take us out? could be interesting to fight them all at the same time, could even have extreme versions of the fight as well

I think a crafter/gatherer instance would be sweet. Something along these lines:


4 man instances, two DoH and 2 DoL.

Let's be generic and say that we need to get from point A to point B. Along the way there's downed trees and rock piles that the loggers and miners need to clear out of the way, and these things contain materials that will be used later on.

There could be gaps in the terrain where, depending on your the class you have, you either build a bridge to get across, or fashion hooks and ropes to repel down and back up. Or it could be obstacles we need to get over, whatevs.

There could be monsters where the DoL have to stealth by and then, either gather materials to make weapons to fight em off, or you could catch fish for a cook to make a food that will lure them away. There's a lot of variations you could do here.

The treasure chests could have either crafting mats and/or Gathering/Crafting materia. Or hell, this could be a place where they put sealants in to give another means at getting em.

Something along those lines. I just think a non-combat instance would be a welcomed idea.

I suggested a throw-back dungeon once where the fights would all be turn-based. There are more than two MMORPGs that have executed turn-based well. (One of the non-strategy ones is "Wonderland Online." That one uses a Lufia-styled command system in fights and a countdown clock so that if you idle too long in making a choice, you default to your last choice.)

I would like to see some movement in fights, I believe there is going to be an airship fight so that is a start - examples would be fighting on top of a train with carts latching off and on, racketing cross the tracks, being able to fall off (re-spawn within the base cart, continue pushing forward climbing out to the top and down through other sections), having to charge your section and pick paths down a mobile branch dungeon. WoW's dragon boss example is meh, although Diablo 3's battering ram example is a short and simple yet pretty wild feeling event, I nearly get queasy doing that lol.

Don't know why I thought of it now but for silly, a gambling Oogie Boogie KH1/2 like boss could fit in Golden Saucer. Also singing robot fight (Chrono Trigger).

I'd like to see moar fights that hinder ranged dps and allow melee dps to go apeshite on the boss like it's a dummy.

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Originally Posted by Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri

I'd like to see moar fights that hinder ranged dps and allow melee dps to go apeshite on the boss like it's a dummy.

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I'd like to see more dungeons that rely on DPS than the tanks or healers (IE: The three expert dungeons we have.) As well as dungeons that force a strict no-speedrun policy with gates / etc.

Here's something I put together for the Chrono Trigger thread. I still want this to happen. :O

Crossover Event - Chrono Trigger

Premise: A mysterious man draped in a cloak is causing trouble around the capital cities. Those who cross paths with the man get the impression that he is looking for something, or someone. Upon realizing his quarry is nowhere near, he'll vanish to parts unknown. The local authorities in the city states have placed their forces on alert for this individual. Adventurers, as is always the case, get dragged in as well. This would be split over three quests.

Quests

His name was... - The reporters of the Mythril Eye are working on a story about the disturbances caused by a mysterious traveller that comes and goes as the wind. One such reporter would like you to help investigate where the man has been sighted to help piece the puzzle together.

A radical dreamer - The best lead so far on the location of the man comes from Aleport, where a girl named Sara/Schala seems to have been attacked by the mysterious traveller.

The Black Wind Blows - The man has been seen entering Pharos Sirius. While unaware of his intentions there, a dangerous person entering such a place can mean nothing good. Intercept the man and stop him!

Battlefield: Beacon Chamber (the place where you'd fight Siren during a normal PS run)
Party Size: 8 players

Boss: Magus
HP: 666,666
MP: ????

Mechanics

Realignment - Magus will take full damage from one of three types of damage (melee, physical ranged, magic). The other two types of damage deal 40% less than normal. Is immediately followed by one attack that affects the whole party.
--Fire II - Deals fire damage. Used when Magus resists all but Melee attacks.
--Lightning II - Deals lightning damage. Used when Magus resists all but Magic attacks.
--Ice II - Deals ice damage. Used when Magus resists all but Physical Ranged attacks.

Dark Mist - Magus teleports from his current location to another part of the room. 3 seconds after he teleports, dark mist will form within a 3 yalm radius of where he stood and triple in size over 9 seconds, then slowly dissipate/shrink over 30 seconds. Inflicts blind, poison, infirmity and deals damage over time to anyone it comes in contact with.

Hell Geyser - Place a debuff that reduces the max HP of Magus' current target by 20%. Stackable.

Dark Bomb - Marks two party members, and after 4 seconds both party members will detonate dealing damage to all party members within 5 yalms. Will detonate early if the affected party members move while dark bomb is active. Early detonations deal increased damage.

Black Hole - Magus teleports to the center of the room, drawing in everyone to his position and placing the weight debuff on the group. Instantly dissipates any Dark Mist present on the battlefield.

Ice Beacon/Fire Beacon - Used when below 45% HP. Marks one player with Fire Beacon and one player with Ice Beacon. If the ice and fire beacons are within 10 yalms of each other, a tether will form that reduces their movement speed by an additional 10% and increases the damage dealt by Dark Matter by 300% and increases its area of effect to the whole battlefield.

Dark Matter - Immediately cast after Black Hole. Deals massive damage to anyone within 15 yalms of Magus. Ignores all damage mitigation effects and immunities.

Raven Scythe - Magus will send a shadow version of himself towards a random party member, damaging them and knocking them back.

Omega Flare - One-shots the whole raid.

Encounter

The main mechanics for the group to deal with are the management of Hell Geyser stacks on the tank (2 stacks would force a tank switch) and positioning the boss and the party away from Dark Mist. Ranged and casters in particular are at risk of being knocked back into the mist by Raven Scythe unless positioned properly. Raven Scythe ignores party members afflicted by Dark Bomb as well as the current tank.

Dark Bomb adds the challenge of careful positioning since once a party member is afflicted with Dark Bomb, they cannot move without making the bomb detonate prematurely.

Barrier switches are designed as they are because you'd otherwise make BLMs the only viable class for the fight. Each time Magus uses Realignment, the associated attack is used on the whole group, regardless of their distance from him (so if you get hit by Fire II after Magus uses Realignment, you know he's taking full damage only from melee attacks), etc.

The Black Hole + Dark Matter combo is simple in concept but requires you to get away as fast as you can, because Dark Matter will one-shot non-tanks.

Once Magus gets below 45%, he'll throw in something extra for Black Hole phases. He'll mark two party members with the debuffs Ice Beacon and Fire Beacon. The two beaconed players have a tether between them so long as they are within 10 yalms of each other. This means both players now have to make sure they are far apart that it breaks the tether before Magus finishes casting Dark Matter, otherwise it's an instant wipe.

Once he gets down to 5% he'll erect a barrier that reduces damage taken from all sources and slowly begins casting Omega Flare.

Rewards:

Dreamstone Sword (Gladiator's Arm)
Dreamseeker (Parivir's Arm; yes, this is a katana)
Dream Reaper (Marauder's Arm)
Spectra Spear (Lancer's Arm)
Hero's Blade (Fencer's Arm; a rapier)
Crisis Knuckles (Pugilist's Arm)
Prism Daggers (Rogue's Arm)
Stardust Bow (Archer's Arm)
Wondershot (Musketeer's Arm; a pistol)
Spectral Staff (Conjurer's Arm)
Rainbow Rod (Thaumaturge's Arm)
Chronology of Zeal (Arcanist's Arm)

Notes

- I know this won't happen because SE decided to do the dumb "Magus lost his memory" thing in the DS re-release of Chrono Trigger.
- I couldn't decide on what timers/cooldowns should be used between each ability. Ideally Dark Mist should linger enough that it only fully dissipates once Magus has placed a new patch of mist in a different part of the battlefield.
- Fire/Ice/Lightning II should not deal really heavy damage, but should be something to keep the healers on their toes, as it would be incidental damage with the chance to kill someone if they get careless.
- Dark Bomb's damage would need to be tweaked. I'd want it to be heavy damage so that the healers have to tend to the players affected by it, but seeing that movement is key to the fight and this one ability is there to hinder movement, I'm not sure if it should be reconceived as something else. Otherwise you have the chances of Dark Bomb followed by Black Hole + Dark Matter. BH+DM forces the group to run away to prevent the wipe, but both party members affected by DB would have to move, forcing a premature detonation while everyone is clumped together; this would in effect also wipe the raid or put them dangerously low in HP. I guess DB could be changed so that its damage is spread between affected targets like Imperuim from Syrcus Tower...
- The rewards would obviously have to be connected to the Chrono Series, which does mean taking stuff from Chrono Cross to fill the weapon gaps while still keeping it in theme with Magus. I took the liberty of adding weapons for Parivir, Fencer and Musketeer.
-I havent written a full story on this, but: Magus ended up in Eorzea during his search for Sara/Schala. He hears of a girl named Sara/Schala that lives in Aleport, but finds out it is not who he seeks. He learns of the massive corrupted crystals that are still imbedded inside Pharos Sirius and devices a way to use their power to reopen the dimensional gate that would take him to the next realm. Much like his encounter with the gang in Chrono Trigger, the adventurers interrupt him as he's trying to finish his big spell. Things end better since the whole thing was basically a big misunderstanding, with Magus gaining what he needs to move on to the next world while you get a nitfy weapon.

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This aside, class callouts could be a fun encounter mechanic, so long as the effects of the callouts are balanced so that raids don't stack one job and exclude another. Here's how I'd to them:

◾Dragoons, show me how high you can jump! (all DRGs in the raid jump but instead of hitting the boss, land in place and take falling damage)
◾Paladins, I've heard you can withstand any attack. Show me. (boss becomes immune to damage)
◾Warriors, give in to the beast! (all WARs in the raid go berserk, attacking both friend and foe)
◾Bards, you wanted to dedicate yourselves to singing. Your wish is granted. (BRD MP is set to 0, and forces the BRD to sing Fool's Requiem, draining the BRD's HP while also damaging the raid)
◾White Mages, let's make those heals more interesting! (direct heals do damage equal to the amount they would normally heal)
◾Black Mages, you've meddled with powers beyond your understanding... (meteors rain from the skies, continuously damaging the raid)
◾Summoners, let's see how you like bigger egis! (triples the size of summoned Egi, increasing the Egis' damage and turning them on the raid)
◾Scholars, show me the power of your faeries! (boss is affected by both Fey Glow and Fey Light as well as a damage absorbtion shield)

And because I can:
◾Red Mages, a fate worse than death awaits you... (all RDMs in the raid get a damage down debuff that reduces their damage dealt by 99% and the boss gains Haste and Refresh)

NPC boss team to fight with skills that rival those of actual players, like if you go after the healers the tank and dps will go all out defending them, will be able to take 'aggro' making you unable to deal damage to anyone but them. They will be able to use combos as well, so a take on moogle fight but with more random chance involved. Could be bad guys like garleans or good ones like the job/guild masters. Would up the challenge if everyone on NPC team could heal one another, not just healers. If you bring all of them too close they will wipe the PCs with the combo, so flaring isnt the answer xD

Doom Train.

that is all.

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Originally Posted by coldreactive

I'd like to see more dungeons that rely on DPS than the tanks or healers (IE: The three expert dungeons we have.) As well as dungeons that force a strict no-speedrun policy with gates / etc.

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I'm pretty sure that last one is covered with Satasha HM and to a lesser extent, Snowcloak's gates.

Anyway I want to see a dungeon based on the constellations of our world. A wall-less (as in the walls would be invisible) labyrinth with a beautiful backdrop of stars and nebulae and mobs based on the constellations.

I also want to see a clockpunk dungeon (WP dosne;t count, the gears weren;t visible enough) with lifesize mammot versions of the 5 races and a boss that would turn the party into windup mammots (complete with mechanics such as a timer that renders you unable to act if it runs out)

On a non dungeon front I would also like a Primal boss rush. From Ifrit all the way to Bahamut, and every primal in between.

The following "Cooooooool" fight ideas I have:

Boss Teams:

-The Wolf and the Raven: A fight against Nael Van Darnus and Gaius Van Baelsar simultaneously. Unlocked via Wandering Minstrel
-The Invasion Force: A fight against Rhitatyn Sas Arvina, Livia Sas Junius, and Nero Tol Scaeva. Unlocked via Wandering Minstrel
-A Dance of Song and Shadow: A fight against Siren and Diabolos. Unlocked via Wandering Minstrel
-An Unlikely Alliance: A fight against Gilgamesh, Ultros, and Typhon. Unlocked via Wandering Minstrel

Powered-Up Bosses:

-Ultima Perfectus: A fight against an Ultima Weapon that has absorbed the abilities of Ifrit, Titan, Garuda, Leviathan, Ramuh, and Shiva. Unlocked via Wandering Minstrel
-It's Morphing Time!: A fight against Gilgamesh with all eight arms. Unlocked via Hildibrand quests.

Vintage Bosses:

-The Blighted Despot: A fight against Scarmiglione.
-The Drowned King: A fight against Cagnazzo.
-Delta Attack: A fight against Sandy, Cindy, and Mindy.
-The Empress of the Winds: A fight against Barbariccia
-The Autarch of Flame: A fight against Rubicante

-The All-Seeing: A fight against Catastrophe
-Death Incarnate: A fight against Necrophobe
-The Cursed Tome: A fight against Byblos
-The Vile Book: A fight against Apanda

I'd like a boss that changes attacks and patterns based on group performance. If it's taking a lot of damage very fast, it'll switch to a defensive posture. If the DPS is lower but the tanks are mitigating or soaking a lot of damage, it'll switch to an offensive posture. If the healers are overhealing, it spawns adds to deal with them or throws a debuff. If too many rezzes are cast, he saps their MP.
That's just a half-baked example, but basically a fight that would require the group to have control over their roles.
But really I'd like a fight where MP and TP management matter more than for just a prolonged DPS race.

In RIFT there was an amusing boss fight which could be replicated here.

8 man dungeon.
You fight the boss in an arena, filled with "spectators" who hate you for whatever reason.
At 75% the spectators "start getting restless", and begin throwing cans (low damage and 2 second stun), rotten tomatoes (9 second dot), and banana peels (ground effect that acts like Shiva's Permafrost).
At 25% the boss goes immune and forces the person with the highest hate into a 1-on-1 cage match. (Lets hope your tanks did not just die)
Now the fight splits into 2...

In the cage: The boss begins using line, cone, and circle aoes, no autoattacks. Your job is to simply dodge everything for 20 seconds. If you die, the boss gets a 20% damage and mitigation buff for beating you.

In the arena: The crowd starts throwing rocks (aoe raid damage, hits everyone within 5m of the target, dont stack)

In the cage: After 20 seconds of dodging, the boss (slightly demoralized) takes on a defensive stance and begins charging a "near" oneshot attack. They must be hit 10 times within the next 30s to break their concentration... However they also gain a damage reflection buff which deals the same amount of damage back to the player (hence you want a tank for this). If you dont land 10 hits in time, you are dropped to 1% health, and thrown out of the arena, unable to return. And the boss also get their 20% victory buff.

In the arena: The crowd gets downright mean, and starts dropping from the stands to attack you. They dont hit hard, but there is a LOT of them, your 2nd tank better be on their toes.

In the cage: The boss, now quite demoralized and angry, blows up the cage (dealing 3k damage), throwing everyone to the sides of the arena and wiping out all of the adds.
The boss now has a -20% damage and mitigation buff, but attacks random players. The boss also occasionally runs to the middle of the arena to pick up a piece of the broken cage, effectively a spike, and charges someone with it, impaling them onto the wall. (Unavoidable Knockback to Wall, Small dot, target is bound for 30 sec) After 30s, he will go for another spike.

At that point, just finish off the boss.

Just today, during a T8 run (SCoB Turn 3), I had a thought after triggering a mine into a chain reaction of me setting off every mine; it would be interesting to have a fight that uses motion as a key feature. Utilizing fight mechanics and job abilities, it would be great if we had a fight that has a player or players hurtling around to be maybe used as a weapon to damage a boss or win a fight. Fight mechanics like bombs laid out in sequence, player abilities like SS, adlo, cover or HG, could make for a dazzling fight.

i would like to see an area style fight with endless mobs and bosses increasing difficulty each round you complete. maybe have a chest you can open after every few rounds to buy buffs for the next phase. make it interesting where the mages cant revive players unless they buy the buff from the box, maybe add unique weapons only found and used there, or let us go nuts with dual axes with war.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

Doom Train.

that is all.

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Train fights, or any actually entertaining and less gimmicky (or gimmicks and waits smoothed out into enjoyable gameplay instead) Imperial base assaults, complete with multiple routes of execution / different strategies for completion. Preferably both at once.

That said, I don't want a fight against some train's face. I want a fight on and in an awesome train, that also happens to fight the train itself in a sense, preferably with multiple ways of doing this.
Imagine, you can hope onto the roof of the train in order to skip traps and adds within, but must deal with dodging (or be nearly one-shotted and knocked back into the next roof opening/gap down the line), and occasionally blast away unavoidable obstacles via strong abilities comboed in preparation off the dodgable obstacles and instant-cast Flares/Holy's, etc. You can derail a car onto a parallel route moments before another team destroys an engine or power source within the train as to overtake several more cars and jump back across before the train's momentum gives way, reprogram certain armory or robotics cars, and face off mini-bosses and the main mechanism of the train (possibly at multiple times, learning from your team's actions and possibly requiring equipment for yourselves or additional sabotage onto it each time), ending finally in the boss room (likely the front of the train, with a giant bomb).

Okay, that's a pipedream, for sure, but whatever.

I'd also like to see a dungeon at some point that both requires and allows for many teams of less than 4 players, such as in a... jungle prison escape (?), where teams need not only defeat their enemies, but also, for the opposite teams, to simply survive against an intensive period of attack while conditions outside are changed by other teams.

Or hey, during a Imperial Assault dungeon, maybe have equippable magiteck that makes each role a bit more versatile and capable of surviving in small, well-coordinated duos... Kind of like an incredibly powerful trait--choose wisely.

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Originally Posted by TessaJalloh

DoomPhantom Train.

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Since you were so nice to ask... >.>

Dungeon: Phantom Train

Concept: The train acts as a vessel to carry departed souls to the afterlife. The great number of lives lost at Cartineau have coalesced into this bizarre phenom, causing disturbances in the rail lines used by Amajina & Sons to transport minerals to Thanalan for processing and resale.

Dungeon Layout

Boarding Platform (leads to second class car)

[Engine]-[Baggage Car]-[Sleeper Car]-[Diner]-[Lounge]-[First Class]-[Second Class]-[Coach Car]-[Caboose]

The party would spawn on the boarding platform, where they fight the first pack of mobs. Upon defeating them the train doors open, allowing the party to enter. Once the full party has zoned in, the zone line closes for the rest of the instance.

The party enters into the second class car. The door leading to the first class car is locked and requires the party finding the switches to unlock the door. Thus the part would have to work their way through the second class and coach cars on to the caboose, where the first boss will be waiting.

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Boss: Brakeman

Abilities

Spectral Embers - Summons a fire sprite that fixates on one player. Explodes upon reaching their target, damaging the whole party. Become Tiny Embers when doused with water.

Charge - Runs to target, dealing damage and stunning them for 3 seconds.

Restrain - Hurls a chain at one party member, immobilizing them. Breaks if enough damage is dealt to the chain's Weakest Link.

Player Abilities

Douse - Ground-targetted AoE. Can only be used by interacting with the water barrel.

Mechanics

Mitigating the explosion from Spectral Embers is key to surviving this fight. Once the boss is pulled a water barrel will become targetable. If a player clicks on the barrel, they switch into a vehicle mode with the only action on the pet bar being Douse. Using Douse on the Spectral Ember will turn it into a Tiny Ember, which can then be killed by DPS before resuming on the boss.

Brakeman will use Restrain on random party members. It'll usually be whoever is the target of the currently-summoned Spectral Ember. The chain between Brakeman and the restrained player has a targetable part called Weakest Link, and once the Weakest Link is "killed", the effect will end.

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After Brakeman dies, the party finds the First Class Key, which can be used to unlock the First Class car. Defeating all the mobs in the First Class car opens up the door to the lounge car. The lounge car is gated by items that need to be placed in the proper spots for the path to open up. The items are portraits of the four characters that were in the original train in FFVI (Cyan, Sabin/Mash, Shadow and The Ghost). Each portrait would have a name, like "The Dark Mercenary" for Shadow, "A Spirited Monk" for Sabin/Mash, "A Morose Samurai" for Cyan and "Well-traveled Soul" for the ghost.

Moving on to the diner car, the second boss fight is found there.

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Boss: Steward & Stewardess

Steward Abilities

Skull Crack - Stuns target for 4 seconds.

Hard Swing - Knocks target back 5 yalms. Will only use on targets near or attacking Stewardess.

Hexa Strike - High damage attack. Places a Vulnerability debuff on target. 3 second cast time.

Cover - Will absorb physical damage aimed at Stewardess. 8 second duration.

Stewardess Abilities

Leg Shot - Decreases target's movement speed by 30%. 10 second duration.

Toxic Sludge Bomb - Places a patch on the ground that deals damage over time to players standing in it.

Leeching Ammo - Lasts 6 seconds. Causes any attacks to drain HP.

Recovery - Recovers HP. Will only be used if the difference between Steward and Stewardess' HP is more than 10%.

Mechanics

Steward and Stewardess will attack individually. While Steward has an aggro table, Stewardess does not. The main gimmick of the fight is that both need to be brought down at around the same time, as a difference in HP between them greater than 10% will cause Stewardess to effectively bring both of them back up to full or near full HP by spamming Recover.

Cover and Leeching Ammo add difficulty to the fight, as the amount of damage taken from Cover and HP recovered via Leeching Ammo may bring either or above that 10% HP difference.

Steward is there to inconvenience the party via stuns while also protecting Stewardess. There is some synergy between their skills, as Hard Swing may be set to be used on the tank just as Stewardess uses Leeching Ammo. Another example would be using Skull Crack just as Stewardess creates a patch of Toxic Sludge under the stunned player. Yet another example would be Hexa Strike being used on a target affected with Leg Shot.

As a visual cue to show the difference in HP between the bosses, once the bosses' HP difference is more than 5%, a green tether will form between them. Once it hits 9% the tether turns yellow, and at 10% or more the tether turns red.

Intended Strategy

Tank would have to pull Steward close to Stewardess, with Stewardess focus targetted. This is so that the tank can stun Stewardess when she uses Leeching Ammo. In the event Steward pops Cover, the tank needs to pull Steward away and keep him more than 5 yalms away form Stewardess or order all DPS to stop on the bosses until Cover expires.

Healers would have to make sure to Esuna/Leeches the effects of Leg Shot while healing damage from Stewardess. In the event a player is stunned and has a sludge patch under them, the healer needs to make sure to heal them while also keeping an eye on the tank's HP.

DPS need to know when to back off in order to not cause the bosses to heal themselves by paying attention to the tether color between the bosses. I do realize that you may get DPS trolling groups by purposely making the bosses heal themselves, though...

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After clearing the Diner, the party can move on to the Sleeper Car. A large puzzle composed of three pieces of a portrait are laying about. Whenever each piece is picked up a pack of strash mobs will spawn. The three pieces when placed inside the frame by the door will create the portrait "The Greatest Swordsman" (yes, this is a reference fo Seigfried, who is encountered by the party in the original Phantom Train), unlocking the door to the Baggage Car.

Baggage car has a pack of trash and the remains of a tent that players cannot interact with.

Crossing into the engine, the boss fight will start.

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Boss: Phantom Train Engine

Abilities

Steam Burst - Damage to one target.

Scalding Steam - PBAoE that damages player and anyone within 3 yalms of the target. Removes Unliving Fire. 3 second cast time.

Unliving Fire - Marks player with Unliving Fire, causing them to take damage over time indefinitely. Can only be removed by Scalding Steam.

Locomotive Chase - Ejects one player from the top of the train on to the rails in front of the train. Increases running speed by 300%. Lasts 10 seconds.

Mechanics

The phantom train engine can be compared to Demon Wall from Amdapor Keep in that the fight is on a sort of time limit and it will ignore aggro tables for the most part. Only the train's smokebox (the chimeney thing in the front of the train) will take actual damage, and the encounter will take place on top of the train itself.

The engine will use Steam Burst on random players. The main mechanics involve dealing with Unliving Fire and being ready for Locomotive Chase. Unliving Fire will deal considerable damage (it's stronger than any normal DoT effect). To remove Unliving Fire, affected players need to be hit with Scalding Steam. The person targetted by Scalding Steam will have a small cloud of steam at their feet for 3 seconds before the ability goes off and deals damage.

The train will randomly select a player and eject them on to the tracks in front of the engine. From the moment the player hits the ground, their running speed is increased by 300% (thus giving them the chance to run away from the train as it tries to run them down). While the train tries to catch up to them, it will have 5 stacks of Locomotion, and will lose one stack every two seconds. Each stack of Locomotion increases damage dealt by the train's inpact to that player by 40%. Once the train comes in contact with the player, the player will take damage, be swept up by the wind currents around the train back to the top to rejoin the party.

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Instance ends when the train is defeated.

A boss puts undead healing debuff on random party members lol
So that any heal will be converted to damage.
Cannot be esuna/ leeched off
Can only be removed via dying or passing it off to another player.
But after passing it your max hp will be reduced by half for 10 secs lol
Now that would be a fun fight thatd make ppl rage :3

Alexander.

Alexander as a raid where you have to literally climb up to the next section of his body at different phases of the fight, being bombarded by AoEs, mob spawners that have to be shut down, etc; titan-style knockbacks that can send you falling off of its body and having to climb your way back up to the fight that's currently going on.

I think if we were going to do a Crafting/Gathering Dungeon, Some good ideas might be something more "event" oriented and not really a "dungeon crawl" since a dungeon crawl doesn't fit DoL/DoH classes. Since DoH/DoL classes are a little harder to optimize dungeons for (I.E a SMN can replace a MNK or NIN or DRG etc, DD are interchangable, but if we were to do specific crafting, a Goldsmith cant replace a blacksmith if you want a Spinel Ring...), It would be better if the crafted items or gathered items are treated more like the dailies for Beast Tribes, where all crafts can craft them. So with that in mind, heres what I'd propose for some "Crafting Dungeons", and "Gathering Dungeons".

DoH/4 Man Dungeon - Level 20(Sync at 23)- Order Up!

Goal: You're hired to cook for a popular restaurant, its going to be busy and theres going to be a lot of hungry guests. Gather food from the (dispensers) and get crafting!
How it works: There will be multiple guests who want different things, each of them will also have a time limit. Your goal is to get food out to them as fast as possible, if you miss to many orders, you fail and must start over (like wiping to a boss).
**Phase 1: 4 "Waves" of patrons, a couple (2), a small family (4), another Small family (3), and an elderly couple (2). You're have 5 minutes to deliver the required items to each person, and they come in at staggered times (I.E they don't all come in at once). This phase will last 15 minutes with the groups coming in at 0, 4, 8, 10. The final couple will request High Quality food only.
**Phase2: 5 "waves" of patrons, a large family (6), a group of Scholars (4), a couple (2), and a lone woman (1). The group of Scholars will request you deliver their requests in alphabetical order, while the lone women will request high quality food. This wave will last a total of 20 minutes (or when all food is delivered)
**Phase3: 1 "Wave" of patrons, a group of 16 sailors. Will request at least half their food be of high quality, and will want them in under 10 minutes (think of this as the final boss).

This is however... not to say... dungeon crawling wouldn't work for DoL/DoH... I give you.

DoH/DoL - 4 man, 2 DoL/2DoH. - Rescue Operations. (Level 35)

Description: There's been a cave in reported in (Copperbell Mines<?>) and we're looking for some capable crafters and gatheres to help with rescue operations. We'll provide as much support as we can but the mine is rich with minerals, so you should be able to mine and build anything you need to progress.
How it works: You'll essentially be two teams working as one. There will be enemies throughout the dungeon, but can be dispatched in different ways using the DoL's Sneaking abilities. The goal will be to get to the trapped miners and escort them to safety. A rough breakdown of how the Dungeon could work.

You are given a small cache of supplies, Each DoH will receive including 3 Bombs, 3 Blasting caps, 3 Pinches of Bomb Ash, and 3 Bomb Shells. This gives you enough supplies for 12 bombs... each DoL will receive 3 Potions that recover 300 GP each with 60 second cool down, 3 "dungeon unique" items that increase mining success by 20%, and 1 "Ironworks Sledgehammers" which is a one time use item that deals heavy damage to one obstacle (ike a DoL Limit Break). Entering the dungeon there will be a rock formation in front of you consisting of 3 targetable points, as well as several normal "mining spots" with materials that can be crafted into explosives to clear the way quicker. A strategy could be one man mining the rocks while another hits the points to supply the crafters with bombs. When mining the Formation, it will work differently than a normal point, in this case the goal is to destroy it... Mining these points will open a screen that will have 3 mining options:

"Loose pebbles": High Success rate (80~+) - Deals 200 HP to rock formation. (Critical Mining will deal double)
"wiggling Rocks": Medium Success rate (50~+) - Deals 500 HP to rock formation. (Critical Mining will deal double)
"Rough Boulders": Low success rate (20%~) - Deals 1000 HP to the rock formation. (Critical Mining will deal double)

The boulders will have around 5,000HP. Failure on wiggling rocks and rough boulders has a small chance to deal damage to the player and lower their GP by a small amount, which makes them more risky. Bombs can be used to deal 1000 HP to any rock formation, but you have a limited supply. After clearing the first rock formation, you will enter an area that has several mining points and a few bomb enemies. Each mining point will have a random material that you can use to craft more of the unique DoH/L items you get at the beginning. One of the mining points (at random) will have a mining option of "Avalanche!", It will have a medium success rate, and if successful it will collapse the room above the bombs destroying them, and providing the DoH with more bomb ash for bombs. If failed, it will move to another random mining point in the room. However, if it is not successfully gotten within 2 minutes of entering the room, the bombs will self destruct. The mining points in the room will provide the DoH with supplies to craft for the DoL as well as themselves, making the dungeons much easier to do.

Near the end of that room will be another a cluster of 3 rock formations, same formula as above, once destroyed there will be a "Thick rock formation" behind it, which will be much tougher to destroy, having 10,000 HP. This formation also has a chance on failure to spawn an enemy (weak enough for a DoH/DoL to kill without much trouble, can also be killed with a bomb). After the formation is destroyed, you will enter a large circular room, in the middle will be a group of goblins miners trapped by some rocks, with a Gigas attacking them. This is the first "Boss" of the dungeon. Your goal is to clear the rocks and help defeat the Golem. there will be 10 rock formations blocking in the goblins/golem, the goblins can be defeated if you take too long, and if defeated the boss ends in failure and you have to retry.

There will be mining points that appear and disappear in timed intervals, these will provide you with supplies to craft bombs. Each formation has 3,000HP, bombs can be used to speed up the process. The "Ironworks Sledgehammer" will deal 4,000 damage to any formation, making it useful, but crafting more isn't guarunteed, and each DoL only has one. You can also use bombs, and while you can craft more, they might be needed to defeat the boss... Choose wisely! Once the formations are destroyed, you will be able to target the Gigas. the Gigas has 30,000~HP(possibly more) but there are multiple ways to damage it, and multiple ways to tackle the fight.

In this room the mining points that appears will allow you to mine "Odd Liquid", "Smelly Liquid", "Sweet Liquid", as well as normal ores for bomb shells. the Odd Liquid can be crafted into a potion will apply a buff on any goblins in its AoE that increases their attack speed and defense, the Smelly Liquid can be used to craft an item that will apply a "Vulnerability Up" effect on the Gigas for 20 seconds, doubling its damage taken, and the "Sweet Liquid" can be used to craft a potion that cures the goblins in the AoE circle. Each item can be high qualitied and doubles their effects. So the DoL/DoH will have to work together for best result.

The DoH can also contribute when not mining materials, by mining "Boulders" in the area which will have the option of mining

"Small Rock" - ~90% - Can be thrown at the Gigas. Deals 300 Damage.
"Medium Rock" - ~70% - Can be thrown at the Gigas. Deals 800 Damage.
"Large Rock" - ~50% - Can be thrown at the Gigas. Deals 1500 Damage.

Works like a normal node, after 4 mining attempts the boulder will vanish (respawning 30 seconds later). The Gigas will defeat the goblins within about ~10 minutes of starting the fight. The Gigas will also not target the players directly (though he can use AoEs...).

Once you free the Goblin Miners, they provide you with a few small supplies. 2 Bombs, 2 Shells, and 2 Bomb Ash, as well as 2 Treasure Coffers. One containing a slew of Materials (Crafting materials of appropriate level range), and the second one A Green(Or Blue at higher level) unique DoL/DoH armor piece.

Okay, the Rescue Operations can obviously be continued, but I'm drained ATM on ideas and im really tired... But you get the idea of it. DoL gather materials, DoH crafts items. Can even include mechanics like crafting a key to move on, or crafting a pick axe/hoe/scythe required to move an obstacle, etc.

Exp be will granted for Mining/Crafting as normal to each individual miner/crafter... Group exp will come from bosses and obstacles. individual Exp inside the dungeon from mining and crafted items will be higher than normal crafting/mining for your level (like how mobs in dungeon give more exp than mobs in the open world). A level 50 dungeon could theoretically be implemented that grants tokens similar to Soldiery, used to purchase I.lv 55/60 Crafting gear, and they could also have level 50 dungeons that reward hard to get synth mats (in NQ or HQ, maybe making a place where you can more commonly get hard to find HQ synth mats).

The task of the DoL will be more of a "DoT" effect on walls and such, as well as providing valuable materials to crafters. The crafters will be tasked with providing goods to the group (GP Potions, mining success items, explosives to speed things up). Each role will be important. I'm kinda happy with this idea... If i could submit it to the Devs I would, might provide them with a bit of inspiration on how a DoH/DoL dungeon could work.

Maybe one of you nice community reps could do it for me :3

Edited: A little bit of derp.

A battle against all the legatus from 2.0 storyline simultaneously.

Also not really a boss but I'd like to see a dungeon with a mechanic like ipsen's castle from ff9 where stat values get reversed and all your high level gear is terrible and instead level 1 gear is the strongest.

Another cool idea would be a dungeon that "rotates" so sometimes your on the ground normally and then at some parts you're walking on the wall or even upside down the ceiling lol and if you're on the cieling your controls would feel reversed so like forwards is actually backwards and left is right etc.

A "vertigo" dungeon would also be cool where you're up high and there's a lot of narrow pathways but no invisible walls so if your not careful you can actually fall to your death :)

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

A battle against all the legatus from 2.0 storyline simultaneously.

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During one of the live letters Yoshida mentioned they had planned to do this as the fanfest battle until they did Odin instead but they'd still like to do it, so it may happen (probably as a Minstrel's Ballad)

I think Titan EX after heartphase is a brilliant fight, its so intense and if you blink you might die!
I'd like more intense fights like that.
I bet coil has some but i haven't done them so I don't really know

Titan EXX please!

A Garuda "SX" fight where all seems like the normal EX fight, but once her HP reaches one... she uses minimize on everyone sucks everyone up... and now you have to beat up the dark wind crystal inside her while doing some insane things. (Multi-platform / layered fight.) Dying within Garuda allows you to restart at that point rather than outside.

Crystal Phase

1. The crystal is immune to aggro, stun, debuffs of all kinds. Upon Entering the area inside Garuda, the crystal will cast "Dark Aura" on the party. This debuff makes it impossible to use resurrection spells, heal over time spells, invincibility spells, hide spells, etc.
2. During the fight, the crystal will randomly spawn DOT Pools on certain layers / platforms. The entire party must not be on these platforms of course, or else they will suffer severe dot damage. Also, while dodging these DOTs, beams of dark energy will be rotating around eminating from the crystal outward to garuda's body. Getting hit with a beam will send you to half health (And give a debuff called "Dark Seduction" which replaces "Dark Aura" for the remainder of the fight. Dark Seduction will come into play in a later phase.) Some platforms will sometimes produce a dome shield of darkness, going into one will disallow a beam to hit you when the beams suddenly multiply every now and then.
3. After the crystal has only 66% HP Left (IE: has had 1/3 HP taking from it.) The crystal will suddenly start to spin rapidly, beams disappearing and platforms all free of dots. At this point, anyone who has dark seduction on will be sucked into the crystal temporarily for the remainder of this phase. During this phase, platforms will start to pulsate by layer and liquid darkness will start to pool at the bottom of the multi-layered arena. The darkness will start to creep up as you begin to fight waves of adds coming from the top to the bottom. Each add is a soul of a branded individual who has been lost to Garuda... and they will use an instant AOE that will drain TP or MP randomly. Once at the top of the multi-layered structure, you'll see a mini garuda producing all of these souls, you must defeat her before the liquid darkness consumes everyone. (Touching the liquid darkness changes "Dark Aura" to "Dark Seduction." You will immediately die and be sucked into the crystal if you touch it.)
4. Once the mini Garuda is defeated, the crystal will slowly start to lose speed and the liquid darkness stops immediately where it currently is. At this point, at the top of the multi-layered crystal arena, several mini crystals appear that have links to the main crystal... you must kill them to actually damage the main crystal. The mini garuda will respawn after a while as well, but she won't produce souls this time, and the liquid darkness will start creeping up (slower) and you have to kill her or enough crystals to get the main crystal to half before the liquid darkness consumes everyone.
5. When the main crystal reaches to half HP... the top layer will suddenly shatter as the darkness is drained out of the arena to below layer two. When the party falls to layer two... all the members who had been sucked into the crystal are expelled to layer two. Their dark seduction debuff still stays however. Players who are dead and have dark seduction will auto-revive at this point with half their maximum HP as their maximum. (Dark Seduction reduces HP to half its maximum.) During this phase, you must deal with more linking crystals. Every now and then the liquid darkness will shoot up a geyser of sorts. Anyone who gets hit will have their Dark Aura debuff changes to Dark Seduction. The geysers will start spawning more often and faster the longer this phase continues, and eventually dark beams will return every now and then. (Dark shield bubbles too, but these domes can't protect against geysers.)
6. When the main crystal has 33% HP left... the second layer shatters... the dark liquid drains to below the final layer. At this point, all sounds slow to nothing as a loud audible crystal crack is heard. Souls start pouring out, geysers again, beams of light and darkness, (Being hit with a beam of light removes Dark Seduction / Aura) a mini garuda (or two) the crystal is spinning slowly, and every now and then... the mini garuda will select a Dark Seduction character and throw them into the dark crystal.
7. Once the Crystal reaches 0 HP... the entire area starts rumbling wildly and everything goes white as it cracks more. Everyone is thrown out of garuda, and the Absolute Final Phase starts... on a weird aetherial plane of green and white and black. garuda will scream at the players that this is the last straw... and now you fight her... for complete destruction of her very being, disallowing her to be summoned ever again. Everyone is given the Hydaelyn Crystal Buff. Anyone who had Dark Seduction will be auto-raised by Hydaelyn and their debuffs removed. This fight plays out like Garuda EX for the most part... but every now and then she will summon moving tornadoes that follow players slowly. If a player is hit by one, they get marked as "Prey." Garuda will attempt to minimize and suck that person up... being sucked up at this phase means death for the entirety of the fight. Wiping here forces the entire party to start from the dark crystal phase again. Once this Garuda is beaten... instead of the normal death cutscene... she will suddenly stop, her body slowly crystalizing completely shining bright and then shattering.... The Ixal will look in awe, commenting that their mistress... has truly died once and for all.

I want Wanderers Palace (Extreme).

The dungeon is more of a maze (a "randomly" generated maze), with puzzles and traps aplenty. Give the whole dungeon a Rancor mechanic; the more Tonberry you kill, the more damage they all do.
Mid boss can be an elevator ride for 2 minutes with an endless wave of Tonberry. Oh you got lost and killed more Tonberry than you should have? Cry for me.
Wait, did I say Tonberry? I meant Zombie Tonberry. Undead, rotting, lumbering Tonberries... Sleep tight.
Tonberry Stalkers get a massive upgrade; if they see you they will come at you like a truck, shrieking and everything (in fact, rename them to Tonberry Shriekers). Make them horrifying too. Like, shit your pants running horrifying. Why? The final boss;
Edda. Because. OK, not really Edda, I want to see more of her. The Tonberry Queen; I'm sure those girls have a lot in common. Two phase fight, phase one you kill her. Phase 2 the Undead Tonberry King rises. Tonberry Shriekers basically copying Ifrits dash attack and a hoard of Undead Tonberry slowly marching towards you as if to tell your DPS to DPS harder.

Same Mob but mutli parts that have to be Tank individually!

Like Cerberus's 3 heads, each head needs a Tank. So Tank swapping aint needed in fact it needs to be avoided since each head will give it's own version of Rabies and if you get 2 different type of Rabies you will get a DOT that will deal huge damage over time.