Hey folks! So as you well know, when sending a retainer out on a venture, there are three categories: Hunting/Fishing/Gathering/Mining, Quick Exploration, and another type of exploration that differs depending on class.
NOTE: THIS TOPIC DOES NOT AFFECT REGULAR HUNTING/FISHING/GATHERING/MINING OR QUICK EXPLORATIONS. PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND.
Now, Hunting/Fishing/Gathering/Mining and Quick Exploration both never take longer than an hour. However, this third type of exploration takes a whopping 18 hours to complete and the items brought back, while impressive, don't really seem to warrant a full 18 hours, namely due to things like quantity of items.
If I sent my PGL retainer out to do one of these non-Quick Explorations, they would bring me back a stack of three, maybe four items and some Allagan Coins. For 18 full hours of work, I'd expect them to be a lot more generous with their findings, bringing back either full stacks of items or a larger array of random items that a normal person would expect to get after an 18-hour day.
My suggestions (Pick One):
-Reduce Retainer Exploration time from 18 hours to 12 hours. (EDIT: Changed from 4 hours because I derped.)
-Allow retainers to grab full stacks of items or a variety of items all at once.
-Add options for how long you want your retainer to go out for. The more time selected, the more items he brings back when he does come back, the higher chance of getting rare items, and the higher chance some of those items will be high quality (Note that, if this venture is cancelled, he brings back nothing.)
18 hours just seems like it's cheating the players a bit.
Retainers - Cut Non-Quick Exploration Times
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11-16-2014, 05:42 AMHakuroDKRetainers - Cut Non-Quick Exploration Times
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11-16-2014, 05:50 AMAltijacek
I'm a bit upset about the 18 hours thing because it makes it NEAR impossible to complete the challenge log unless you pay money. Of course, the challenge log gain is minimal but it's something. And for those completionists how can't afford an extra retainer it must really suck. That said, reducing it to 4 hours is silly. It's such a big difference that you almost seem spoiled for asking that, haha.
I would suggest adding the OPTION to change it from 18 to 12 BUT increasing the venture cost to 4 or 6, whichever SE deems more balanced. -
11-16-2014, 06:05 AMEverdark
18 hours only to come back with a fish. and a few coins.
Time well spent. -
11-16-2014, 06:22 AMLimecat
Don't forget dem high-rank hunting trips, where your retainer keeps bringing back coeurl skins and meat, and sometimes if you're really lucky a single crafting mat that's worth about 10k instead of 1 gil.
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11-16-2014, 09:20 AMShioban
Retainer ventures are meant to be a casual and optional feature, it's not designed to be the most lucrative fast-paced end-game rush. The reason they're 18 hours is that you're hoping for a high-ticket and rare item such as a minion.
That's an insane difference, that's far far too much of a reduction.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
RMT Heaven. Imagine it. RMT logs in "Oh look, fleece is needed again. Time to set all 50 of my retainers across my characters to do fleece for a few hours!"Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
This adds in more complexity, more balancing time and essentially more time wasted on something so trivial.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
Seeing as it's meant to be one of those "Do it now, check tomorrow" things. It shouldn't really be that much of an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by HakuroDK
Go to the retainer, click "Quick Ventures" and pay them two ventures to go off for an hour, when they come back it'll count towards your challenge log if a few thousand gil really matters that much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Altijacek
You're welcome. -
11-16-2014, 09:32 AMkyuvenHe was talking about the 18 hour ventures, you know the ones where you can't specify what they'll bring you? So you can easily get a full stack of something nice like fleece...or a full stack of chub.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shioban
I approve, but what i'd like is something akin to what was mentioned above: the option to reduce the amount of time for the task by investing more ventures. -
11-16-2014, 09:40 AMHyouretsuzan
Can't get enough of those allagan tin pieces and coeurl meat.
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11-16-2014, 09:57 AMIntaki
Pretty sure the primary purpose of the 18 hour ventures is to get a buttload of experience points for your retainers without needing to log on every single hour.
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11-16-2014, 10:09 AMkyuvenThe question becomes why the ones that require lvl 50 to do also give a buttload of exp and no additional items (other than a chance at rarer items like minions)Quote:
Originally Posted by Intaki
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11-16-2014, 10:10 AMSapphicQuick ventures only count for one of the 2 Retainer challenges, the second can only be completed with 18 hour ventures.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shioban
You're welcome..... for correcting you ^^ -
11-16-2014, 10:36 AMSomeguy
The 18 hour ventures is just something to send your retainers on when one is asleep and/or at work, and also it offers a chance a finding something a little more rare. Sure, it would be nice to get special, super rare items more often, but then they wouldn't exactly be special anymore, would they? It'd be all, "oh look, my 4th fat cat/mine cart/littlefoot this week. Since the board is flooded with em, and all my firends have one, i might as well sell it to the vendor."
I will say that the 15 18 hour ventures challenge log entry is excessive, though. If anything, the two should be switched, with it only requiring you to do 10 18 hour ventures a week and 15 total ventures. My two cents. -
11-16-2014, 02:15 PMHakuroDKI admit, when I was writing "4 Hours", I was previously thinking of 12 instead. Namely because there are instances where someone who played the night before will want to play the next morning. If anything, it should be more accommodating to the eight hour sleep cycle rather than adding in the additional eight hour work day. Four hours on top of the eight hour sleep cycle (granting 12 total hours for a retainer to go on a regular exploration venture) would be a good compromise as that would allow for two hours to take care of nightly rituals and two hours to take care of morning rituals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Someguy
I also 100% agree with your second point about 10 long ventures and 15 total ventures. That makes a fair bit more sense, as traditionally, in video games, a very specific objective set has a smaller number of objectives than a more generic objective set would, especially if the specific objective set contributes to the generic objective set. If you need to collect 50 fruit in, say... Pac-Man, don't make an additional objective be "Collect 75 Cherries". It creates a sense of tedium in players. -
11-16-2014, 06:54 PMAltijacek
I'm pretty sure I tried quick exploration and it didn't count towards my challenge log. I tried this the first week it was a thing though.
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11-16-2014, 08:28 PMShiobanAre you sure?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sapphic
Pretty sure I do the other one just doing quick ventures...I'll double check this evening. Thanks for letting me know!
(Still though, missing out on 2-4K gil for a challenge log shouldn't matter that much) -
11-16-2014, 11:22 PMRazzle
Quick venture = for when you're online
Free Exploration = for when you're offline.
That said, I do agree that 18 hours is too much. Sometimes I log back in the next day and it's still on cooldown... I think 12 hours is just right... -
11-17-2014, 02:55 AMaxemtitanium
Hunting/Fishing/Botany/Mining ventures (i.e. the 1 hour "go get Raptor Skin specifically" ventures) count for both retainer challenges. Quick ventures only count for the easy one.