Please consider L1 + Triangle and X for cycling party list

One of the problems facing controller users, especially healers, is cycling through the party list while running. This problem is exposed in Leviathan Ex during spinning dives and water bombs where parties members need attention from the healer while simultaneously having do dodge mechanics. A controller user has to stop running, take their thumb off the analog stick, cycle through the list, cast a spell on the target, replace the thumb on the analog stick, and continue running. The alternative is to awkwardly use the right index finger for cycling - this works fairly well for cycling up, but cycling down is a bit of a problem.The game already implements an ingenious scheme for cycling through monsters on the screen on controller (L1 + R2 or R1 + L2). Can you please look into extending the L1 control scheme for cycling up and down using triangle and X buttons? It should be a hard select.

You are a genius :D Please make this happen SE!

For PS3/4 healing, If you are not in love with your shared hotbar, try this party select/hotbar swapmacro (WARNING: this will use all 8 of your crossgotbars).

The premise is that you make a macro that selects the next party member and changes the hotbar simultaniously. this is needed since ther is no macro for "select next party member"

Outside of the following 8 macros, all your hotbars will have to be set up fairly identcally, which means you only have 15 usable buttons. because of this, further macros will have to be used to compile similar or conveniently stacked skills set to other macros, which i will discuss after the target/crosshotbar swap macros.

Could try using the finger you would otherwise use to hold L1, to cycle through party list with the D-pad.

continued from above. (ignore houston, he doesnt get it).
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macro 1, chotbar1
/chotbar change 2
/target <2>
--macro image "1" from the macro images library (this gives a visual indication that player 1 is currently selected)

macro 2, chotbar 2
/chotbar change 3
/target <3>
--macro image "2"...

...similar for macros 3 - 7 ...

macro 8, chotbar 8
/chotbar change 1
/target <1>
-- macro image "8" from library. this macro allows you to start back at the top with 1.

placing these 8 macros on the same spot on all 8 hotbars allows you to cycle thru all 8 party members without ever having to deactivate the chotbar.

ignore me because i am capable of healing and moving by doing what i stated above? smh, the little people don't understand.

If you use an xbox style controller instead of a PS3 style controller, the d-pad is very easily accessible with your right thumb. You lose control of the camera momentarily, but that's much more acceptable compared to losing movement controls.

as for compiling convenient/ similar skills on the same button i use the following to reduce the number of needed buttons:

cooldowns:
/ac "shoud of saints"
/ac "divine seal"
/ac "presence of mind"

quickrez
/ac "swiftcast"
/ac "raise"

insta-push
/tenemy
/ac "fluid aura" <tlt>

the last one doesnt save any chotbar space, but it does allow you to push away a melee mob that is attacking you, without breaking your focus on the guy you want to heal.

also imprtant to note; hotbars 2-8 should be for the most part identical. hotbar 1 (the one that focuses on you) should be a bit dissimilar, since you cant raise yourself, raise on this hotbar is useless (that's a good spot for protect).

Houston, if you clicky my name and review my forum post history, you'll see 80% of my posts DIRECTLY address PS3/4 conrtol issues and macros used to reduce or circumvent these issues, ***especially*** when it comes to healing. you are out of your element son. i'm the pro.

L1 + Triangle and L1 + X (along with L1 + circle and L1 + square) are already in use for switching targeting filters.

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Houston, if you clicky my name and review my forum post history, you'll see 80% of my posts DIRECTLY address PS3/4 conrtol issues and macros used to reduce or circumvent these issues, ***especially*** when it comes to healing. you are out of your element son. i'm the pro.

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Self-entitled Pro aye? You're the one trying to put all your buffs on one macro which is equivalent to being bad. Your ideas to make ps3/ps4 easier just sounds complex to the naked eye and is unneeded when there are far simpler methods. L2P bro, you are only pro at making things more complex than necessary.

lol "bro" itga

Using the L1 + Face buttons to act as the directional pad is a brilliant idea.

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L1 + Triangle and L1 + X (along with L1 + circle and L1 + square) are already in use for switching targeting filters.

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These are a hold over from FFXIV 1.0, and do not understand why they were carried over. Nobody uses the left and right directional pad buttons to cycle thru enemy or party targets once they learn L1/R1 cycle thru enemies while the cross hot bar is active.

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The one obstacle? Pressing L1 while pressing forward on the left stick engages auto-run.

Edit: Or so I thought. The game doesn't engage auto-run if it's interrupted by L1+Button. So alas L1 can still used for auto-run as is.

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Using the L1 + Face buttons to act as the directional pad is a brilliant idea.



These are a hold over from FFXIV 1.0, and do not understand why they were carried over. Nobody uses the left and right directional pad buttons to cycle thru enemy or party targets once they learn L1/R1 cycle thru enemies while the cross hot bar is active.

The one obstacle? Pressing L1 while pressing forward on the left stick engages auto-run.

I propose engaging auto-run should be moved to L1 + L3 (Left trigger + Left Stick). This would allow the remaining functionality of the L1 button to be preserved.

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Dpad L/R are soft selects, L1/R1 are hard selects. They serve different purposes.

As a tank, L/R to other targets to hit mid-combo, then return to main target for final combo.
As a healer, L/R to attack mob then return target to tank.

You may not use them but that doesn't mean no one uses them.

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The one obstacle? Pressing L1 while pressing forward on the left stick engages auto-run.

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Its possible to turn off auto-run from L1 by going to your controller configuration. Retains L1's functionality without fear of auto-runing to the all so pesky aoes/walls/cliffs

When i toggle thru party while i run i has to do the legendary psp claw lol with my 1st finger tapping up or down while my thumb moves.
Had to get used to it but hey, it helped me deal with twisters lol so im fine with it also i guess being a big monster hunter fan has its perk when half the time u gotta claw to toggle ur potions while u run from a huge monster that can 1 hit u with best gear on lol.

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These are a hold over from FFXIV 1.0, and do not understand why they were carried over. Nobody uses the left and right directional pad buttons to cycle thru enemy or party targets once they learn L1/R1 cycle thru enemies while the cross hot bar is active.

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Besides the soft-select versus hard-select difference that QuCont mentioned, there's the fact that L1/R1 is limited to enemies only. The whole point of the L1+face button filters is that they're configurable and you can alternate between up to four different configurations for what you want selected. (Actually, I rather wish they'd use our L1+face button filters for both the L1/R1 hard select cycling as well as the left-right soft select cycling. I end up never using L1/R1 because we can't have that control over it.) What you want selected depends on what you're doing, and I'd rather think most people want some control over that, as I do.

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You may not use them but that doesn't mean no one uses them.

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If people used the target filters, they'd probably be griping that changing stance resets the filter. It'd be so incredibly annoying that you'd pull out your hair.

I remember them in 1.0. They were added to help with the broken interface. The directional pad was used to both select a target and select the intended hot bar or action. You'd first use the dpad to select a target. Then press (X). Then use the dpad again to select an action. Then press (X) again to perform the selected action. And then press (O) to and back to the dpad to select a new target and thus repeats the whole process over.

As you can imagine, anything that would help reduce the number of button presses was welcome!

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If people used the target filters, they'd probably be griping that changing stance resets the filter.

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I've been using them since 2.0 started, I have no idea what you're talking about. I switch between enemies, NPCs/objects and non-party PCs with ease using the filters. The only time they ever reset to 'All' is when I relog. Otherwise it stays with whatever option I've picked whether I've changed jobs or stances or whatever.

I'm quite sure a great number of people use them. Anytime someone asks for targetting advice on a controller, target filters is often the first thing that pops up, whether it be here or reddit.

I have no experience with 1.0 and I'm not particularly interested. It's history. All that matters is that they work great now.

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Actually, I rather wish they'd use our L1+face button

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They actually did introduce L1+Dpad options. Around 2.1, I think?
L1 up/down scrolls between the mobs on your hate list ← great for when your tank pulls the entire dungeon.
L1 left/right scrolls between alliance members ← not particularly fast but it works.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

When i toggle thru party while i run i has to do the legendary psp claw lol with my 1st finger tapping up or down while my thumb moves.

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I just use auto-run. If you're using standard camera, you can maneuver with the right stick.
If it's only a short distance, I just reach over with my right thumb.

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I've been using them since 2.0 started, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Then let me clarify.

Here you can see I have the set the filter to "ENEMIES", said so right above my HP (bottom of screen).
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...204dc60441.jpg

I engage, changing stance. Without fail, the filter changes from "ENEMIES" to "OTHERS"
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...530cd0e671.jpg

Having achieved victory, I sheath my weapon changing the filter back to "ALL."
http://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acci...5bea6e206a.jpg

I have a hard time imaging people using this would put up with it for very long.

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I just use auto-run. If you\\'re using standard camera, you can maneuver with the right stick.
If it\\'s only a short distance, I just reach over with my right thumb.

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Auto run in levi ex? Probs not a good idea.

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I've been using them since 2.0 started, I have no idea what you're talking about.

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Then let me clarify.

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It will change filters when you change stance if you configure it to change filters when you change stance. Or you can instead configure it to change filters when you select one. It's true that trying to set both options at once causes strange behavior, because then it will set according to whatever happened last, as your example shows. It works better if you choose either one option or the other and not both. If you turn off the stance-changing filters and turn on the L1+face button filters, then those filters act just as you'd expect them to.

Thank you radioactive_lego. I'm looking into your suggestion - unfortunately I do love my shared hotbar; I use it extensively on my Smn. Do you know if there is a macro command to turn on and off shared hotbars? I really need shared hotbars for my Smn, but I can kind of do without them on Whm. But having to go through the character customization menu each job change is a bit too much.

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Do you know if there is a macro command to turn on and off shared hotbars?

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/chotbar share [number] on
/chotbar share [number] off

Or /hotbar for the keyboard hotbars.

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Thank you radioactive_lego. I'm looking into your suggestion - unfortunately I do love my shared hotbar; I use it extensively on my Smn. Do you know if there is a macro command to turn on and off shared hotbars? I really need shared hotbars for my Smn, but I can kind of do without them on Whm. But having to go through the character customization menu each job change is a bit too much.

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if all you ever do is heal 4 man parties, you can have your return macro on number 4. I have this macro handy, and paste it over my 4to5 macro on the off chance roulettes give the healer bonus.
another alternative is to have the return on 7, which allows you to keep your shared hotbar (default 8). this means you will not be able to heal player 8 except through traditional d-pad means. so long as dps is at the bottom it's not a huge deal.

radioactive_lego, thanks for your suggestion but there is just way too much sacrifice with it. But it gave me the idea to just devote 8 buttons to each party member.

http://i.imgur.com/ulKBbqb.jpg

If L1 + Triangle and X are already mapped to targeting filters, as Niwashi said, can you at least implement macros - /target <prev> and /target <next> would really be helpful. I do not have a "claw" like Yumi Umi. I need my left thumb for movement. The less I take it off the analog the better. Now off to make my parties suffer until I have this button layout hardwired...

trying to get a youtube clip to upload from my ps4. I added a reverse order cycling, and still kept 95% of my healing and offensive skills on one hotbar through some creative macros. will post as soon as i get smarter than youtube

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mPmX6fFpIOg

super easy

so if you couldnt tell from the video, i'm using the two numbered buttons to cycle thru the party, and skills/spells as needed. since all the offensive spells are macroed over the healing spells, it just depends on whether i target a player or a mob as to which spell i cast. i left the help descriptions up over the buttons for the audience.

I personally wouldn't listen to radioactive. the amount of space you lose is just unreasonable compared to what you gain. If all you do is heal dungeons and hm trials go for it though.

So what does one do once level cap is increased?

@Penelope. "wouldn't listen to radioactive" is strong language. I also would not "recommend" (better language) this for anyone excopt those who are dedicated to ex/T5+ content, where manuverability and ease of control reduces errors, which can save a wipe.

@Houston. Adapt. I've already considered the addition of mass stoneskin, and have a plan in place to add it in to the current hotbar setup. Assuming I play into 3.0, I'll incorperate the lvl 60 skills as well. Bottom line, I overcame the inability to shoulder-button-target party members; you think an over abundance of skills/spells is going to stop me?

So you're are going to continue to put multiple buffs into one macro, again, prime example of a bad healer. Have you actually done any of the new coils, you know where its actually heal intensive and not heal deficient (getting carried). Where is Medica II on your bar? Its either you or your method that is extremely slow, your video is only demonstrating inefficiency.

The person you are attempting to "help" already said your method has too many sacrifices, which it does.

I hope no one picks up on this senseless idea, don't want to run in to more bad healers than normal. :(

P.S. Show me how you would put ALL of your pvp skills on your bar. Not asking that you do pvp, just that there are 8 more abilities to set.

who has carried me? you made the accusation, now back it up. who? can't? yeah, because you speculate more than you observe.

since when is multiple buffs into a single macro bad healing?
I have not done any after T5; have done all ex primals with no issue.
for this particular setup medica ii is macroed under fluid aura.
i dont do pvp.

what skill have I sacrificed, specifically?

how would you propose decoupling movement and party targeting, and getting them on opposite sides of the gamepad? where's your solution?

I think your feelers are hurt; its ok dude. you don't like this legitimate solution to a certain problem. nobody is holding a gun to your head to use it. if someone else tries it, they might like it - they might think it's crap. super. I bring a solution to the table for people who dont like how a mechanic works in the game, and the most constructive thing you can do is crap all over it?

you are trolling. come with constructive criticism or go away

You're aware you replied to my comment first, right? I'd have not belittled your "solution" if you had not tried to shut me down. I already posted my solution, simple, easy, and effective.

1.) Your video shows you being a slow healer which = bad a.k.a. carried. Your MP management is barely existent, didn't shroud until the last few moments of your Garuda(which because of your macro, you didn't DS/PoM either), could have used more MP dpsing when you were wasting time.

2.) Alright, so from what you said you put Shroud,PoM, and DS in the same macro. PoM and/or DS can be used when heavy healing needs to go out. PoM can also be used to save on MP so moments you'd otherwise Cure II to upkeep heals, you can through Cure Is. Shroud is used to either drop hate or recover MP. Problem is that in order to do PoM you have to do SoF and DS first, before you can even make it to PoM. You have to waste shroud when you are near full MP just to use DS/PoM. Bad.

3.) T5 pre-nerf/echo? You have not done any other endgame content pass T5 which is when the content actually gets kinda difficult, evident by the many who cried about the jump in difficulty. So you have no clue how weak your healing is.

4.) I didn't ask you to PvP, I simply asked you to set them on your non-existent free slots.

5.) Your ability to heal efficiently. Where is Eye for an Eye and Virus? Can you even Holy?

6.) Already gave it, you should read it before you tell people to ignore me

7.) Only person's feelings whom are obviously hurt are yours.

Good day, Sir.

you answered none of my questions.

I made an example video on an short boss to show functionality, specifically for it's 8 player party and short duration, not because I wanted to push the limits of healing.

virus is obviously macroed over medica. did you watch the video? it clearly states medica/virus over my hotbar. I can't believe you are so super observant of my weak healing skills and missed bright blue text.

I don't use the skill eye for an eye. if I did, I would possibly macro it over over benediction. 1 press efe, 2 presses efe (if cooled) + full health. seems efficient enough.

until you press a vid that shows conventional means are better than mine, not for lack of player skill, but for functionality, I say you are blowing smoke sir.

good day. consider the gauntlet dropped.

Why in the world would you macro Virus to Medica, like are you challenged? I'ma Medica just so I can Virus, where is the logic? Or I'ma virus over a Antibodied target smh

So you don't use eye for an eye at all, i rest my case lol.

Considering I answered them all, I have no more words for someone who refuses to listen. :cool:

#whenkeepingitrealgoesright

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Why in the world would you macro Virus to Medica, like are you challenged? I'ma Medica just so I can Virus, where is the logic? Or I'ma virus over a Antibodied target smh

So you don't use eye for an eye at all, i rest my case lol.

Considering I answered them all, I have no more words for someone who refuses to listen. :cool:

#whenkeepingitrealgoesright

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Lol you noob! it all depends on what you're targeting. if you target a mob you cast virus. if you target a player you cast medica.

thank you for showing everyone you have no idea how the mechanics of this game work. you have done my job for me and for that, you will be on my special friends list forever. heavy on the special.

edit: i even hit the like button on your post. I heart you so much.

I only know mechanics of efficient healing, sorry I didn't catch on to stupidity ^^

Most healers set Virus as <tt> so they don't have to switch targets, since what they are virusing is currently either hitting their tank or about to unleash massive aoe damage(which in this case SCH/SMN would virus).

really? ~YOU~ are trying to teach ~ME~ something about macros? it should be obvious, at least as far as macros are concerned, I'm as good as they come.

and i thought you "had no more words" for me.

Only thing I'm trying to teach you is to be efficient.

I "had" no words for you yes, but I also "had" to help you