Ideas for a Samurai class

Well I decided to make a thread for speculation on the Samurai class, my take will be spoiler-ed to avoid opinions on it from monopolizing the thread (I welcome criticism though but I also want other to post their own ideas for the class.

My take will be a Tank that will focus on Counterattacks. Its weapon will be Katanas (and it's relic will be Masamune). Swordsmaster will be the base class and Samurai will be the Job. It is based on STR.

The Counters will be buffs that trigger upon taking a specific attack (Think a specialized version of Perfect Dodge) and most of the skills will be based on the naming conventions of the Swordmasters skills from BD (being based on parts of figures of speech, with most of the corresponding buffed named after the missing part of the figure [Except The Road Less Traveled which is an except from a Robert Frost poem and Ummovable Object which will have the same name in status form and with the other half of that phrase being another skill]). All counters have a 25 second cooldown unless otherwise stated

Class Skills

• 1: Spirit Slash: 100 potency basic attack
• 2: Nothing Ventured: CD that gives a status: "Nothing Gained". 20 second buff that halves damage from a physical attack and hits the one who used the attack with a 50 potency attack
• 4: Natural Law: 120 potency attack that can be proced by Spirit Slash, at which point the potency becomes 150
• 6: Before Swine: CD that gives a status: "Pearls". 20 second buff that haves Magic damage and hits the caster for 80 potency.
• 8: Purge of Honor: not a buff CD, just the usual 200 potency only available when mob HP is at a certain threshold skill.
• 10: Sword's Code: 180 potency that can be proced by Spirit Slash, in which case the Potency is 240 and you get a DoT on the target
• 12: Early Bird: attack that adds a DoT to the mob, called "Gets the Worm"
• 15: Cornered Rat (quest): CD that grants a status: "Bites the Cat". 20 second buff that triggers when a teammate is attached while they're under 30% HP, halving the damage to them and directing it back to the aggressor at 80 potency
• 18: Know Thyself: unlike the rest, this is just a buff skill that increases the potency of Counter skills
• 22: Squeaky Wheel: Grants a debuff to the mobs: "Grease". Debuff increase vulnerability to magic and also adds Slow
• 26: Abyss: CD that grants a status: "Gazes Also". 20 second buff that triggers upon your next attack and stuns the enemy
• 30: Timber (quest): CD that grants a status: "Make a Sound". 20 second buff that triggers upon your next attack and silences the enemy
• 34: Honor and Glory: 200 potency attack that can be proced by Natural Law in which case the Potency is 250 and it has a 20% chance of proccing counters.
• 38: Haste Makes Waste: AoE attack that has a potency of 60, adding heavy to affected mobs and increasing their skill speed (for triggering counters)
• 42: It Takes One: CD that grants a status: "To Know One". 20 second buff that triggers upping taking a deadly hit (and under 30% HP), nulling the attack and directing it towards the opponent for 6x the potency. Has the 2nd longest cooldown period of 5 minuets
• 46: Free Lunch: A CD that is akin to Goad and Apocatastasis; you cannot use it on your self but on your teammates. The effect being a buff that makes spells cost no MP for 5-10 seconds
• 50: The Road Less Traveled: CD that grants the party a status: "All the Difference". 30 second buff that triggers upon taking powerful move, it reduces the HP of those hit by it to 1, but makes them immune to all damage for 2 seconds. Has a cooldown period of 10 minuets, the longest cooldown of the class

Job abilities:

• 30: Multitask: A CD that grants a 25% chance to follow up a skill from an autoattack or a counter. (Meaning that while the buff is up any skill can proc Purge of Honor, Natural Law, Sword's Code and Honor and Glory, each with their whole effects)
• 35: On The Wall: CD that grants a status to anyone in the party (including the caster): "Mirror Mirror". 20 second buff that triggers upon taking damage from their own spell (as with Before Swine or Reflect) allowing them to redirect the spell back to its original target at half potency.
• 40: Unmovable Object: Stance skill. Counters gain more enmity and you get 20% HP based on the damage counters do.
• 45: Bushido: an attack skill that can only be procced by a counter. It has 250 potency.
• 50: Unstoppable Force: Skill that removes all defensive Buffs, Unmovable Object and active counters to boost the party's Determination by 50%. Must be procced by using 5 successful counters.

The traits will consist of enhance STRs, increased duration for counters and free lunch and a chance to proc a random counter whenever one is triggered, as well increased emity on counters

I already have an entire thread for my idea, so I'll spare you that... >w>

Here are my thoughts:
Question, when Nothing Ventured or Before Swine counters, does it still stay for 20 seconds and work continuously or is it used up and we have to wait for the cooldown? If it lasts the whole 20 seconds , it seems very Tank-ish, you're lowering the damage by half and redirecting it for double.

Early Bird would be useless in boss fights that are heavy in none-cleanse-able debuffs (specifically, debuffs that play an important part to the battle).

Cornered Rat is very situational and I would hope your party's healer(s) wouldn't allow your party's HP to get that low during an important fight. This also seems like a Tanking skill, you're decreasing the damage done onto others, it's almost like a pseudo-Cover. >A>()

Abyss is another situational move and it would mess up your tank's Stuns.

Timber is a bit wasted because you don't have any Magic abilities to begin with.

For Haste Makes Waste, when you refer to "them" getting a Skill Speed boost, do you mean the user or the enemy? Because I don't think anyone would willing want their enemy to be faster.

For It Takes One, I think x6 is a bit high. For example, if you are hit for 1000, which is then halved to 500, you would counter for 3000. This would be crazy in EX/Coil fights.

On The Wall seems kind of situational because Reflect hasn't been implemented in this (yet?). It could only be used while fighting other Samurai.

Bushido's Potency is way too high. Lancer/Dragoon's highest is 330 and that in a combo and Rogue/Ninja's Sneak Attack only gets to 300 when used in Stealth and when they are in front of them. And your using it after a counter, which is already double the damage you received.

Unstoppable Force is too broken as is. If maybe there was a required of buffs needed to activate it, maybe, but then that's could be a lot of useful utility thrown down the drain.

My Recommendations
- Instead of Countering for double the damage you received, how about if counters had their own potency based on what skill you used? Maybe one skill has a lower potency but last for the whole 20 seconds, while another has a high potency but is one-time only.
- I also think the damage potency reduction would make tanks green with envy, I would suggest removing them.
- Replace Early-Bird with a regular DoT attack. You only have one other DoT and it's from a combo.
- Replace Abyss with a regular Stun skill, it would be far more controllable that way.
- Replace Timber with a regular Silence skill. Again, it would be way more controllable.

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

I already have an entire thread for my idea, so I'll spare you that... >w>

Here are my thoughts:
Question, when Nothing Ventured or Before Swine counters, does it still stay for 20 seconds and work continuously or is it used up and we have to wait for the cooldown? If it lasts the whole 20 seconds , it seems very Tank-ish, you're lowering the damage by half and redirecting it for double. It works like Perfect Dodge, it gets used up and we have to wait for the cooldown.

Early Bird would be useless in boss fights that are heavy in none-cleanse-able debuffs (specifically, debuffs that play an important part to the battle). Not every job has to have every skill be viable for bosses. BLM Aetherial manipulation and NIN's teleport move have limited use in battle.

Cornered Rat is very situational and I would hope your party's healer(s) wouldn't allow your party's HP to get that low during an important fight. This also seems like a Tanking skill, you're decreasing the damage done onto others, it's almost like a pseudo-Cover. >A>() See below.

Abyss is another situational move and it would mess up your tank's Stuns. Well i also made this mock-up with the tank role in mine as well as DPS. It could be use to take soem of the load of the tank by having another class be able to stun, In fact, NIN has something similar with Jugulate

Timber is a bit wasted because you don't have any Magic abilities to begin with. It's cuppose to be a me a move to stop magic damage, not augment it

For Haste Makes Waste, when you refer to "them" getting a Skill Speed boost, do you mean the user or the enemy? Because I don't think anyone would willing want their enemy to be faster. The enemy, and the point of SAM is to use counter so the faster the skills, the faster the counters

For It Takes One, I think x6 is a bit high. For example, if you are hit for 1000, which is then halved to 500, you would counter for 3000. This would be crazy in EX/Coil fights. Hence the high cooldown period

On The Wall seems kind of situational because Reflect hasn't been implemented in this (yet?). It could only be used while fighting other Samurai. It has been in the game since at least 2.3. Agrippa and Sycrus Tower's 2nd boss has that status.

Bushido's Potency is way too high. Lancer/Dragoon's highest is 330 and that in a combo and Rogue/Ninja's Sneak Attack only gets to 300 when used in Stealth and when they are in front of them. And your using it after a counter, which is already double the damage you received. Good point. Will consider tweaking that

Unstoppable Force is too broken as is. If maybe there was a required of buffs needed to activate it, maybe, but then that's could be a lot of useful utility thrown down the drain. Fair enough will add a proccing condition.

My Recommendations
- Instead of Countering for double the damage you received, how about if counters had their own potency based on what skill you used? Maybe one skill has a lower potency but last for the whole 20 seconds, while another has a high potency but is one-time only. I'll think about that
- I also think the damage potency reduction would make tanks green with envy, I would suggest removing them. Again this partally conceptualized with tanks in mind just in case SE decided to acualy make SAM a tank instead of a DPS like it has been implied so far, besides Healers have enought to deal with tanks as is (especialy considering Dark Knight)
- Replace Early-Bird with a regular DoT attack. You only have one other DoT and it's from a combo. I'll consider that
- Replace Abyss with a regular Stun skill, it would be far more controllable that way. Not sure about that, part of that take (with oen obious exception) is implimenting one half of a praise for a skill name and the other half for the status name Also a counter class needs to be difficult to play, as tank or as DPS
- Replace Timber with a regular Silence skill. Again, it would be way more controllable. See above

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My responces are in bold. Also you could have linked to your SAM idea thread.

First, my link:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...29#post2551729

And my responses:
- Abyss: The only problem with taking the load off of stunning for a tank is that monsters gain an immunity to stun if you use it too often. Additionally, as a DPS in a party, you should rarely get attacked, seeing as the main and off tanks should be grabbing enemies (unless you have only one tank, which is usually when you know the trash in the fight can be easily DPSed). Looking from a Tank perspective, Stuns need to happen at the right time, stunning the enemy when they are using an attack that is bad for the party. Having to wait for the enemy to use a Stun skill wouldn't at all be productive.
- Timber: What I mean is that you, as a melee DPS, have nothing to fear when silenced. This protection is being wasted on a class/job that doesn't need it. Also, from a tanking perspective, it's similar to stunning, you need to silence at the right time, when the enemy is using a magical attack. You need to be able to control it.
- Haste Makes Waste: But then that means your counters via Nothing Ventured and Before Swine will be wasted quicker and then you're left with a monster that can hit faster In a DPS perspective, this would be bad for everyone that is not a Samurai as they have no way to counter back.
- Counter Damage Reduction: As a Tank, this is fine but for DPS, it makes you too buff. Think if Dragoons had access to multiple versions of Rampart, then we wouldn't have the concept of a loldrg. Melee need the threat of damage to balance out their ability to out-DPS tanks. Additionally, Healers are fully aware of how much damage a Melee DPS can rake up. :B

...I read the entire opening post as if Samurai was a tank. This DPS is godlike.

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Originally Posted by Exstal

...I read the entire opening post as if Samurai was a tank. This DPS is godlike.

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Yeah i decided to just make it a Tank class. mostly bcause I feel that I focus too much on the tank side then on the DPS side I'll see what I can do about nerfing the counters and such

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

And my responses:
- Abyss: The only problem with taking the load off of stunning for a tank is that monsters gain an immunity to stun if you use it too often. Additionally, as a DPS in a party, you should rarely get attacked, seeing as the main and off tanks should be grabbing enemies (unless you have only one tank, which is usually when you know the trash in the fight can be easily DPSed). Looking from a Tank perspective, Stuns need to happen at the right time, stunning the enemy when they are using an attack that is bad for the party. Having to wait for the enemy to use a Stun skill wouldn't at all be productive. I already made it so that it makes the next attack will be a stun, i'ts not a situational counter anymore
- Timber: What I mean is that you, as a melee DPS, have nothing to fear when silenced. This protection is being wasted on a class/job that doesn't need it. Also, from a tanking perspective, it's similar to stunning, you need to silence at the right time, when the enemy is using a magical attack. You need to be able to control it. I did the same thing as what i did to the above skill
- Haste Makes Waste: But then that means your counters via Nothing Ventured and Before Swine will be wasted quicker and then you're left with a monster that can hit faster In a DPS perspective, this would be bad for everyone that is not a Samurai as they have no way to counter back. You make a good point do you have any ideas for fixing it
- Counter Damage Reduction: As a Tank, this is fine but for DPS, it makes you too buff. Think if Dragoons had access to multiple versions of Rampart, then we wouldn't have the concept of a loldrg. Melee need the threat of damage to balance out their ability to out-DPS tanks. Additionally, Healers are fully aware of how much damage a Melee DPS can rake up. :B Well I made it 100% now.

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Again, responces are in bold

They're abolishing classes from new additions come 3.0 it would seem.

Dark Knight is the first classless job.

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

Yeah i decided to just make it a Tank class. mostly bcause I feel that I focus too much on the tank side then on the DPS side I'll see what I can do about nerfing the counters and such



Again, responces are in bold

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I feel like the Samurai theme just fits better as a Tank. Samurai were often employed as Bodyguards. And being generally honorable, would probably not have enjoyed constantly backstabbing their targets.
I've always felt that (real world, from reading their history etc) Samurai were always more about timing and parries/dodges rather than overwhelming strength of arms.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...urai-abilities

I can't give too much feedback to yours because I'm at university right now, but initially it looks a bit overpowered, and I think it needs more combos. Maybe I just couldn't tell but it looks like there are not many options when it comes to fighting, like war for example.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

I feel like the Samurai theme just fits better as a Tank. Samurai were often employed as Bodyguards. And being generally honorable, would probably not have enjoyed constantly backstabbing their targets.
I've always felt that (real world, from reading their history etc) Samurai were always more about timing and parries/dodges rather than overwhelming strength of arms.

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That last part is why I think Samurai should be DD/DPS lol, western knight with a shield could (shouldn't) stand ground fairly well - you would not stand ground if you were geared like a Samurai, and in FFXIV a tank that moves a lot is going to wreck directional players. Honorable is like chivalry, sort of not really there.. lol. Also (a number of)* Samurai were quite skilled with bows and a back would be an awesome target xD. *Too much romanticism with Samurai, truth is pretty far from media.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...urai-abilities

I can't give too much feedback to yours because I'm at university right now, but initially it looks a bit overpowered, and I think it needs more combos. Maybe I just couldn't tell but it looks like there are not many options when it comes to fighting, like war for example.

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Do you have any ideas for comboes then?

I think you have to have branching combos, and options. In my example of samurai, I mention hellish slash and northern slash. Both are based off of how many DoTs the enemies have, and both combo off of one of your ability. Their effects are different but offer gameplay variety and more complex rotations. I just think you need to look at warrior rotations or monk rotations for more ideas on how options could work; that said, min/maxers will always come up with the optimal rotation but the point is there should be several combos. Maybe I didn't fully understand your post but it looks like there aren't very many combos, and the rotation doesn't look all that fun (reminds me of 123 paladin). I do like your ideas though, and love the ability names.

It will have a sword. It will hit things with the sword. The things will fall over.
Anything beyond this is fairly hopeless to speculate upon. I mean who of us would have said " If you get shit wrong as NIN you'll get a bunny rabbit on your head"?
Anything could happen.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

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Thanks though as mentioned in the OP this is based on Bravely Default's Swordmaster and some of its moves are directly named after moves form that game

I'll see what i can do about adding combos though

Yeah it's an awesome game lol I got some from that game too

Since Yoshida & Co. have used manga as minor influences to their jobs (NIN and Naruto, now DRK and Berserk), I'd probably use the only logical option that would follow this mindset: Rurouni Kenshin for SAM.

SAM with Godspeed and Kuzuryuuzan. Please look forward to it. :O

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Originally Posted by Duelle

Since Yoshida & Co. have used manga as minor influences to their jobs (NIN and Naruto, now DRK and Berserk), I'd probably use the only logical option that would follow this mindset: Rurouni Kenshin for SAM.

SAM with Godspeed and Kuzuryuuzan. Please look forward to it. :O

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You know I wonder if could make a SAM skillset based on that? You seem to have a knack for theorycrafting potential classes

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Originally Posted by Morningstar1337

You know I wonder if could make a SAM skillset based on that? You seem to have a knack for theorycrafting potential classes

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Since you asked so nicely...

Parivir/用心棒

Concept: Tank class that focuses on parrying while having flexible combos.

Mechanics: Unlike other melee fighters, Parivirs do not have combo restrictions, but attacks are separated in the categories of Opener, Bridge, and Closer. Bridges and Closers cannot be used out of order.

Weapons: Great katana

Abilities
01 Cut (切) - Opener. Delivers an attack with a potency of 100.
02 Third Eye (心眼) - Parry all incoming attacks for 15 seconds. 3 minute cooldown
04 Demon Cut (鬼切) - Bridge. Delivers an attack with a potency of 120. Increased Enmity
06 Boost - Increases the attack power of the next two weapon skills by 50/25%. 2 minute cooldown.
08 Dragon Fang (牙竜) - Opener. Delivers an attack with a potency of 100 to all enemies directly in front of you. Increased enmity.
10 Resolve - Reduces damage taken by 10% and duration of status ailments and damage over time effects by 50%. 20 second duration. 3 minute cooldown.
12 Break (ブレイク) - Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Reduces the physical damage target deals to you by 15% for 15 seconds. 90 second cooldown.
15 Iron Flash (斬鉄閃) - Delivers an attack with a potency of 130. Increased enmity. 15-yalm range.
18 Shooting Star (流星) - Delivers an attack with a potency of 50. Knocks target back. 45 second cooldown.
22 Challenge - Forces the target to attack you for the next 6 seconds. 25 second cooldown.
26 Turning Swallow (燕返し) - Closer. Delivers an attack with a potency of 270. Increased enmity.
30 Alacrity (神速) - Increases movement speed and the potency of the next attack. 10 second duration. 120 second cooldown.
34 Counterstance - Parries grant a stack of Counter. 20 second duration. Upon reaching 3 stacks, increases skill speed by 100% for 10 seconds. 3 minute cooldown.
38 Tornado (陣風) - Bridge. Delivers an attack with a potency of 110 to all enemies within 5 yalms. Increased enmity.
42 Brace - Reduces damage from incoming attacks by an amount determined by your defense and magic defense values. 5 Charges. 1 minute duration. 2 minute cooldown.
46 Nine Dragons (九頭竜閃) - Closer. Delivers an attack with a potency of 30. Places a damage over time effect that grows stronger over 24 seconds.
50 Cosmic Elucidation (花鳥風月) - Closer. Delivers an attack with a potency of 300. 45 second cooldown.

PVP Abilities
Draw Out - Allows party members within 5 yalms to recover 5% of their max HP over 12 seconds. 5 minute cooldown.
Howling Draw (龍鳴閃) - Delivers an attack with a potency of 10. Additional Effect: Silence. 3 minute cooldown.
Full Swing
Enliven

Traits
08 Enhanced Vitality
14 Enhanced Third Eye - Doubles mitigation from parries while Third Eye is active.
16 Enhanced Strength
20 True Dragon Fang - Dragon Fang causes the next Bridge-type weapon skill to deal additional fire damage with a potency of 50.
24 Steeled Resolve - Increases Resolve's damage reduction to 15%.
28 Full Break - Break now also reduces magic damage dealt to you by target.
32 True Demon Cut - Demon Cut now increases your parry chance by 20% for 21 seconds.
36 Enhanced Shooting Star - Shooting Star now also places a 50% Weight effect on the target for 10 seconds.
40 Enhanced Boost - Boost now increases the attack power of three weapons skills by 75/50/25%.
44 Enhanced Alacrity - Reduces the cooldown of Alacrity to 90 seconds.
48 True Tornado - Tornado causes the next Closer-type weapon skill to affect all enemies within 5 yalms at 20% of normal potency.

(suggested) Achievements
Blade and Soul I-V

Notes:
- Just to get it out there, potency numbers and cooldowns are negotiable.
- As a reminder, unless otherwise noted parries equate to damage reduction rather than negating damage as in older MMORPGs.
- PRV must use skills in the strict order of Opener => Bridge => Closer. This rule also applies to SAM.
- Resolve is designed exactly as written. If a paralyze effect has a 30-second duration, using Resolve will reduce its duration to 15 seconds. The same goes for any future death sentence-type effects as well as things like Allagan Rot, making the effects end faster. This may be seen as something of a double edged sword unless you know exactly when to use it.
- Brace "charges" are not spent on DoT effects, AoEs or damage auras. Brace "charges" are only spent whendirect attacks or spells affect the PRV, and will only proc if PRV fails a parry check.
- Brace damage mitigation caps at 35% and is calculated based on player level as well as their defense and magic defense values.
- Nine Dragons is designed to simulate each additional "dragon" (in this case, subsequent DoT ticks after the attack is used) joining in after the effect is applied. Starting potency would be 30 and the tick potency when the 9th dragon joins (the tick that takes place on the 24th second of the effect) should be something like 70 potency.
- Alacrity is there to allow PRV to have a gap closer of sorts. I didn't include amounts for the increase in movement speed or potency boost of the next attack because I was not sure how strong to make it. Ideally the PRV would be able to move really fast for a short period of time (especially since the JP name I'd give the skill literally translates to "god speed").
- Counterstance may play out well in situations where many enemies are attacking you and parries proc as they should. 20 seconds seems to be long enough to build 3 stacks of Counter, IMO.
- True Tornado is something I'm iffy about, as it is questionably useful. I did want to build on the idea of a weapon skill being affected by what came before it, though.
- To give an example of the Dragon Fang combo chain, you start with Dragon Fang, follow with Tornado (Tornado dealing an additional 50 potency fire damage from DF), followed by Turning Swallow. Because of Tornado's effect, Turning Swallow would deal a 270 potency attack on the PRV's target while dealing a 54 potency attack to additional enemies near that target.
- PRV's tank design is highly dependent on keeping the parry buff from True Demon Cut up as much as possible. This works in conjunction with Resolve and Brace to try to give PRV some breathing room.
- I've considered calling the base class yojimbo/yojinbo, as that literally translates to bodyguard. Parivir is more remembered to some because of FFTA2.

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Samurai/侍

Mechanics: Building on PRV's focus on parries, SAM has access to Counterskills whenever parry procs.

Support Classes: LNC (Keen Flurry, Blood for Blood, Feint) PGL (Featherfoot, Second Wind, Mantra)

30 Seigan (正眼) - Decreases damage dealt and damage taken by 10% while increasing enmity. Parrying attacks while Seigan allows the use of counterskills.
35 Ageha (鳳蝶) - Counterskill. Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Decreases target's resistance to slashing attacks by 10% for 20 seconds.
40 Kouki (光輝) - Counterskill. Delivers an attack with a potency of 100. Additional Effect: Pacification for 4 seconds.
45 Midare Setsugekka (乱れ雪月花) - Counterskill. Delivers an attack with a potency of 150.
50 Meikyou Shisui (明鏡止水) - Perfectly parry all incoming attacks. 10 second duration. 7 minute cooldown.

(suggested) Quests
30 Legacy of Honor
35 To Protect and Serve
40 Dual Fates
45 In Memory Of...
50 Muramasa
50 A Relic Reborn: Masamune

(suggested) Achievements
Strength of a thousand men - Complete the samurai job quest Muramasa
Like, mind over matter - Acquire Masamune in the quest A Relic Reborn

Notes
- Seigan introduces Counterskills while also providing some passive mitigation for SAM.
- Counterskills can only be used after a parry procs, building on the concept of abilities like Haymaker and Shield Swipe. Ageha brings a debuff that SAM would be encouraged to keep on the mob as much as possible. Kouki is utility in the form of Pacification. Midare Setsugekka is on-demand damage and would be inserted into the rotation whenever possible (much like PLDs do with Spirits Within in situations where an interrupt isn't required). Ageha, Kouki and Midare are off the GCD and do not break combo chains.
- Attacks parried while Meikyou Shisui is active deal no damage (hence "perfect parry").

I'll admit, this is a design I've been tinkering with for a while. It's partly based on Auron, with a nod to FFXI's Tenzen and some nods to Kenshin (mostly godspeed and Nine Dragons).

I wouldn't want Samurai to be influenced by Rorouni Kenshin, I feel it ignores the coolest part of a Samurai setup which is the armor.

I want to see the SAM class in full armor with huge helmet crests and layered plates.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0e/Samurai.jpg

And when they add the class, they need to add Toshiro Mifune's face as an option for every race

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-U6e4OUzGhd...Rashomon_3.jpg

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Originally Posted by LioJen

I wouldn't want Samurai to be influenced by Rurouni Kenshin, I feel it ignores the coolest part of a Samurai setup which is the armor.

I want to see the SAM class in full armor with huge helmet crests and layered plates.

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Only reason I'd suggest Kenshin as a base would be for the skills. Kenshin turned the idea of kenjutsu into this incredible show of skill, endurance and willpower. I'd obviously want to keep the armoured aesthetic of the samurai, but how the job uses the katana and perhaps some of its ideas on sword combat could take inspiration from RK.

I imagine it'll be closer to Ronin warriors

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Originally Posted by myahele

I imagine it'll be closer to Ronin warriors

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You mean building SAM around artifacts with powers? That'd be a bit....weird.