DRK: What if for HP you get-

Hi all \o

Right I've seen the Odd one or 2 Thread posts about, well mainly "How can a Tank Class sacrifice his HP" etc etc,

But what if they do make it like that but we get something in return? So for example.


Omen Shield "Sacrifice 10% HP for 15% Damage reduction" Can stack up to 3 Times for a 45% Damage Reduction.

Blood Gain "Sacrifice 40% HP for 50% increase in healing received"

Arcane Drain "Inflicts Arcane Drain on self, which Increase Max HP by 35% but drains HP over time"

Convert "Converts MP into HP"

Soul Reap "Inflicts Soul Reap on 1 enemy, if effect is still active when enemy dies recover HP by 10% x remaining time on effect and MP by 30% x remaining time on effect"

But don't take these skills too seriously they more like a what the DRK could have in terms of HP cost attacks. So it's more like yes he will lost HP but he's harder to kill in return.

Yeah, my boyfriend was actually telling me about this and I thought it was a really interesting and good idea. I hope it's a balanced risk reward and isn't gimped like 2.0 WAR's self healing gimmick, though. IMO it should be sacrifice X% HP but have it work like Pox where it lowers your current HP entirely, and then everything you add on from there is a % of your new #.

So, if you have say 1000 HP as a DRK and you use Omen Shield, you bring yourself down to 900 HP. Using Blood Gain would bring you down to 360.

Obviously this doesn't work so great with the abilities you listed, but I think simply sacrificing HP that is easily healable might result in abilities being quite OP. I do like the idea of sacrificing HP for mitigation or special effects, though.

Perhaps the ability to sacrifice health as a substitute for TP if you run out.

They can also still have their signature Darkness move, but as a high-hate AoE blast.

then drk will be useless as MT for lots of content , see T5/t9 as prime examples

i dont think drk will sacrifice hp , but drain it , the less hp the more u drain. and mitigate using magic shields (stoneskin / see DK mastery in wow) and dark magic spells

Don't forget about souleater, classic signature skill. Sacrifice HP for DMG to target, all target. Maybe that will be DRK's AoE threat generator. As a tank, I think it would need a high HP base if will sacrifice HP for moves, but that would seem a bit imbalanced and my PLD would cry. He likes high HP and is jealous of my WAR...

All we can do is speculate and wait till they release confirmed information.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

Don't forget about souleater, classic signature skill. Sacrifice HP for DMG to target, all target. Maybe that will be DRK's AoE threat generator. As a tank, I think it would need a high HP base if will sacrifice HP for moves, but that would seem a bit imbalanced and my PLD would cry. He likes high HP and is jealous of my WAR...

All we can do is speculate and wait till they release confirmed information.

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I'm pretty sure Souleater is only in XI. The classic signature skill for Dark Knight is Darkness. Same concept but if you want "classic".....

FFIII had Souleater as the "ability" the job used. Consumed HP to perform medium to high DMG to all targets.

Also, from FFWIKIA: The Dark Knight is characterized by wearing tight, sometimes enclosed black armor and wielding a sword steeped in wicked powers. Their physical stats, with exception of Defense, are usually high, but their other stats depend on the game they appear in. The typical Dark Knight ability is Souleater, also known as Darkness, which allows them to sacrifice their HP to perform stronger attacks.

Also there is stated that the job was there from FFII, FFIII, FFIV, X-2 etc, of which darkness or souleater were used.

So unfortunately it was not an XI exclusive.

Souleater was introduced to FFIII in the re-release on DS, which came after FFXI. I don't believe Souleater existed prior to XI. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Darkness was the original version of the ability.

I don't think quoting wiki is always a definitive answer.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

then drk will be useless as MT for lots of content , see T5/t9 as prime examples

i dont think drk will sacrifice hp , but drain it , the less hp the more u drain. and mitigate using magic shields (stoneskin / see DK mastery in wow) and dark magic spells

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And your basing this onnnnn? This is all speculations and no confirmed talk so you can't really say it will be useless if you got nothing to go on.


@Spookyghoust Cheers ^_^ it would be cool if they went along something like this but either way if DRK plays good he'll be my new main.

Also can we try to keep this about a what if HP thing for DRK please? Don't want us going off rail like other DRK threads :p

If drk got those kind of skills.
I think it'd just be a spam fest before pulls and before big hits.
I.e drk facerolls every possible CD -> gets whm to burst heal and cast regen.
All those buffs at near max hp = war on steroids.

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Originally Posted by Yumi_umi

If drk got those kind of skills.
I think it'd just be a spam fest before pulls and before big hits.
I.e drk facerolls every possible CD -> gets whm to burst heal and cast regen.
All those buffs at near max hp = war on steroids.

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Well I think we can put cool down on them or do things like can't be used with this skill or if you go over a certain HP threshold all your stats will be removed or something like that. So How about if we make it like, you got all these skills here, but if you go over board you might end up worse off.

Or maybe put a different kind of pacify after the use of some of them? That way they are locked out of WS but can only use non buffing OGC?

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Originally Posted by Martin_Arcainess

Well I think we can put cool down on them or do things like can't be used with this skill or if you go over a certain HP threshold all your stats will be removed or something like that. So How about if we make it like, you got all these skills here, but if you go over board you might end up worse off.

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Should put a debuff on tank if it passes the threshold.
Debuff would be like reduced incoming healing by % accumulated with active skills.

The only reward on using this playstyle would be granting X % of increased damage / threat / mitigation/ absorption/ healing per Y % HP lost

I know Yoshida stated the armor being inspired by Berserk but if he delved any further into the armors abilities dark knight will have life draining/strength enhancing properties and will very much be a tank to wrecken with. Perhaps the armor makes the job this time around. Just a noob thinking out loud though. -No aggro

I can see drain 2 and dread spikes make a return

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Originally Posted by Darkstride

Souleater was introduced to FFIII in the re-release on DS, which came after FFXI. I don't believe Souleater existed prior to XI. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Darkness was the original version of the ability.

I don't think quoting wiki is always a definitive answer.

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Darkness...Souleater
Rogue...Thief

Dread spikes, yes please!!

Would be interesting to see DRK get spikes first. Lot's of mobs can use spikes and en'spells that we cannot. Would be a welcomed addition and a move in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by Synestr

Dread spikes, yes please!!

Would be interesting to see DRK get spikes first. Lot's of mobs can use spikes and en'spells that we cannot. Would be a welcomed addition and a move in the right direction.

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Us not getting spikes or enspells I think its really annoying :D

When i really thought about it, I figured Drain/Aspir would make their way into the job, Dread Spikes possible... and if they add Darkness, I imagine it will be a damage AoE ala Circle of Scorn, with increased enmity generation, and perhaps sacrifice HP. I imagine very few if any of their JA will sacrifice HP, and we'll probably see a DRK job that focuses more on the Debuff/Absorb style Dark Knight as opposed to the Kill the enemy before you die DRK. We may even seem some XI abilities repurposed. (and sorry for a lot of you who didn't know this, a lot of things in this game are renamed/reused XI abilities, So it could happen. Fast Blade, Savage Blade, Gust Slash, Aeolian Edge, Vorpal Thrust, etc)

Drain II - Higher potency drain. If the amount of HP Drains brings you higher than your maximum, increases your maximum HP by that much for (x) time. (aka if you have 800/1000 HP, and Absorb 500 HP, it brings you to 1300/1300)

Scarlet Delirium - Increases your Damage as you take damage. (Perhaps it could increase your DEF/Reduce damage taken or increase Enmity as you take damage, as a means to make it a tanking ability.).

Dread Spikes - Absorbs HP equal to the physical damage you take. Cap is based on maximum HP.

Absorb-(Stat) - Perhaps simply Absorb STR/VIT, or Absorb-TP even. I wouldn't be surprised if enemy draining came into play for DRK.

I did not play FF11 but my idea of Dark knight is like this. firstly Dark knight is a high damage tank like WAR but they don't have flat free mitigation like PLD or hp and rec boost like WAR.
The way they get mitigation is A tank stances called "Blood Shield" Blood shield is a skill where Dark knight will get life back and make it a shield from his dmg dealt. Some how like SCH adloquium. But for dark knight their heal back is much higher than WAR and the shield they get from damage is 100%. Their Skill potency is higher too like about 320 for final aggro combo. Then like WAR they have a second combo which heals back 100% of the damage and get 200% shield from it . Cross class. THM and MRD? Any I find it interesting to play DRK if it's like that, and will totally main it now hehe.


Edit. And also Dark knight Final tank skill eg holmgang and hollowed is they convert all their MP into shield and the shield regeneration from their damage is x5 for 8 sec since they are magic tank and cross class is THM they will have good amount of MP.