So is it just me or has this lag been going on for far too long? Not the usual "Fook! Bene didn't go off, stupid animation!" but the lag where everything stops, or is jumping around rapidly. I've been trying to ignore it and hoping it goes away for the past 7 or 8 weeks, but I've talked to several people, and several raid leaders, who report their raids are experiencing the same problems. I've made sure its not a problem on my end. Has SE even acknowledged this problem yet?
I've played this game since beta and of course there have been periods of lag, but this feels like the longest running streak. I WANT to like this game, and I try very hard to look on the bright side of things but if every time or every other time I enter a raid with my static someone lags, what the hell do you do other than replace people and not accept new members based on where they live or what ISP they have?
So how about that lag?
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11-04-2014, 12:58 PMEsrahadonSo how about that lag?
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11-04-2014, 02:13 PMLunaHoshino
A couple of members of my FC and I were all getting terrible lag in ST today despite two of us using VPNs. One of us even 90ked out two or three times.
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11-04-2014, 02:48 PMXhominid
I definitely had that experience on and off.
Had it recently happen to me for a few hours to the point I thought my PS3 was causing the lagging issue by somehow overheating due to a fan messup... -
11-04-2014, 07:23 PMSaccharinPaste a pathping and tracert and tell us your rough location, ISP and what realm you connect to. "It's not my fault" doesn't help anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esrahadon
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11-04-2014, 07:29 PMDeifact
I get 90k a lot. No lag or warning just BOOM random 90k error. Very frustrating. To me it almost seems like their servers require a constant solid connection and have no wiggle room for if your connection dips even slightly (you'd want a timeout opposed to instant disconnection).
Either that or my ISP has crappy routing, but I'm in central London so it can't be too bad. -
11-04-2014, 07:38 PMruskie
FC mate of mine keeps getting random lag for the last 2 weeks and I had it a few times as well... everything just freezes for 2-5o then it's fine again.
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11-05-2014, 01:02 AMcraig_meredith2003
Has happened to me alot too, esp since the 2.4 release. Had to run sv hm 3 times yesterday to get the win finally since the first two 9k and took forever to load back in and group didnt wait ( not that i blame them). Luckily the last group the tank had lag issues as well so we all waited for each other :) But ya makes it unplayable at time almost afraid to run anything due to lag.
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11-05-2014, 02:48 AMApolloGenX
In before "Your internet is junk".
This has been an ongoing problem for this game and is really pretty ridiculous for a game nowadays.
I am so glad we listened to those people that said "But the game is new! WoW had these issues at launch!"
A year later here we are.... -
11-05-2014, 03:22 AMClavaatAgain with this?Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...playable/page5
Read. Learn. Experiment. Post results. Blindly blaming gets you nowhere. It's not SE. Since 2.1, it has never been SE. Prove me wrong. I dare you. Don't even "well this is the only game blahblahblah", you know for a fact that doesn't matter. It's the U.S. and its shitty infrastructure, with CDN's and ISP's throttling data or just generally being garbage because why not, people don't understand anyway. So yes, our internet is junk. Difference is, some of us actually try to do something about it. Others just post bullshit.
Call your provider. Call SE. Post in Tech Support, not in General Discussion. But just going "Well I knew. You guys, I knew it was bad from the beginning. They clearly don't care about this." is incredibly inane and unhelpful. Be a part of the solution, don't add to the problem. Post hard facts and data and move on. -
11-05-2014, 03:32 AMApolloGenXFine, blame the American internetz. I guess they should just say on the box "Internet connection required- American internet isn't so great though...sorry America - everything else is fine, but this game doesn't work well with your internet- guess you should pass some internet regulatory laws so that FFXIV works better."Quote:
Originally Posted by Clavaat
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11-05-2014, 03:35 AMSadana
Half my FC was hit with lag last night. I experienced rubberbanding in the open world. :/ (We're on a JP server and not everyone affected lives in the US.) I just figured it was the usual post-patch hiccuping.
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11-05-2014, 03:40 AMClavaat-redacted-Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
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11-05-2014, 03:42 AMTupsiLet's put it this way:Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
If it was the servers and purely on SE's end.
No. One Would have a smooth gaming experience - Not. A. Single. Person. So if most of your players are in-game, playing and not even complaining about the lag...that kind of throws SE and the servers/datacenter out of the equation as being the biggest factor.
We already know the issues lies inbetween you (player) and the datacenter. Aka, Level3.net being one of the biggest issues that affects not just XIV, but numerous other MMOs and even non gaming services. -
11-05-2014, 03:45 AMPureEclipse
I haven't had a single issue with anything lag wise, mind you I haven't ran the newest of new content, but ST, fates, general walking around smelling flowers has been fine..
Its the internet provider not the Game. -
11-05-2014, 03:48 AMClavaatEven this isn't an entirely true statement. The amount of factors that could cause lag are many. ISP throttling, CDN throttling, poor netcode, equipment specs, etc. The point is, there has been 0 proof that this is on SE's end. And when asked, nobody can provide any besides "well it lags and other games don't". Which isn't proof. Be accurate when speaking, or you run the risk of creating a misconception/fallacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEclipse
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11-05-2014, 03:49 AMApolloGenXFair enough... I've never had issues... well I got errors when the game first launched, but they did fix those. I just think dismissing the issue as "the internet" is a bit cavalier. I have certainly seen issues in other games that hit some groups hard be addressed when the company took steps to improve things by adding datacenters, moving things, etc. This was after internet "PhDs" diagnosed the problem as an "internet issue" and of course tried to explain the game company was completely blameless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tupsi
I guess I am a skeptic of such internet "experts". Also, the claim that no one would have a smooth gaming experience if it was on their side is un-provable conjecture. There have been plenty of cases where game companies resolved issues on their side that affected SOME players. Arbitrary blanket statements like this are what make me question validity of comments and motives. -
11-05-2014, 03:50 AMTauu
WTFast has helped my connection enough to make paying the $6 monthly fee worthwhile but I'm still getting 90ks and 2002s regularly. I guess that's just the way it's going to be. I'm not even that far away from the servers (Chicago suburbs).
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11-05-2014, 03:52 AMPureEclipseThought I was being accurate stating its not the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Clavaat
Far as I know, many people use dish, Comcast, at&t uverse, or possibly even some obscure company that is located in that specific location only kind of thing. All I am saying is that I find it so damn funny that people blame a game for lag when other people playing the game have no issues. Thus it isn't the game. -
11-05-2014, 03:56 AMClavaatI agree that it is isn't the "game", I'm saying it goes both ways, as far as explaining what the issue is. You do not want to break it down into Game vs. ISP, because those are not the only 2 factors. In reality, many ISP's are actually not the root cause, but the backbone CDN's like Level3. In my case, Verizon is actually the issue, because they own their own CDN, alter.net.Quote:
Originally Posted by PureEclipse
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11-05-2014, 03:58 AMGextiv
This type of quality service is the norm. Nothing is being done nor do I think anything will be done.
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11-05-2014, 04:06 AMClavaatFirstly, I agree about the arbitrary statements point. That goes both ways, as I posted in response to another person. Saying it's the game vs. it's the ISP is not correct in any way, shape or form.Quote:
Originally Posted by ApolloGenX
Secondly, I'm not an internet expert, but I know the basics of how to discover where an issue is occurring. In 90% of the cases I've read on this forum, it's the fault of CDN's such as Level3. It's really not that difficult to figure out. tracert, ping to SE's ISP, and bam, you have some answers. Do this several times at different times of day and provide your results to those at fault. The Verizon issue in particular, affects more than a few people. That's a big company.
Thirdly, adding datacenters is already happening, and it is insanely expensive. The game being a year old and having the revenue to do such a thing is astounding. -
11-05-2014, 04:17 AMEhayte
Well, my game is fine. I will get lag every once in a while, but it is most definitely on Comcast.
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11-05-2014, 04:18 AMNoshpanWell, Verizon has admitted, while placing the blame squarely on L3 (but it was L3 that discovered this), to intentionally bottle-necking their customers at the L3 line in order to force L3 to cave into their extortion fee (much like what they did to Netflix).Quote:
Originally Posted by Clavaat
And I wouldn't put it past any major ISP (such as Comcast and AT&T) to do the same thing (Comcast has already done it and I'm willing to bet my breakfast burrito is STILL doing it). But, hey! It's perfectly legal to do in the US because we wouldn't want to restrict companies from being able to make profit in any way (even if regulations are to prevent business douchbaggery). Hell, the congressmen whom are bought off by the major communications companies are trying to pass laws that give these companies legal grounds to essentially put in a "slow lane".
But I'm digressing and that's an argument for an entirely different thread. -
11-05-2014, 04:23 AMClavaatYou'd be hard-pressed to find anyone who would disagree with you haha. It is relevant to this discussion, because those specific facts are affecting our connection. It grows worse during patch times because they are being flooded by users.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noshpan
Also, as far as Verizon is concerned, my connection isn't passing through level3 at all, but Alter.net, but I was experiencing the same issues (haven't really been on during peak hours recently). -
11-05-2014, 04:33 AMDgsoilFTC is taking legal action against AT&T for selling unlimited data plans then throttling the shit out of their customers. I'd hope it would send a message to NA ISP's but almighty greed will always win out. I used to have AT&T and it was god awful at some points, I couldn't go into T7 for over a month without getting at least 1 90k, I switched providers not too long before this happened and now I can happily play without half the issues I used to have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noshpan