Allow Spirit Bonding in Low Level Dungeons

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11-02-2014, 10:33 AM
Animarelic

Allow Spirit Bonding in Low Level Dungeons

Other than a Duty Roulette and Goodwill, there is no incentive to tank Low Level Dungeons. I ask that Devs allow Spirit bonding in Low Level Dungeons especially with this influx of Ninjas.

Spirit bonding is a better alternative than having people pay Gil for runs.
11-02-2014, 12:32 PM
Mykll

You can SB in low level dungeons. You just not going to SB a full set of ilvl 49 crafting gear in Satasha. Needs to be level appropriate.
11-02-2014, 01:30 PM
Chihaya

To counter, I ask dev to disable all spiritbinding in dungeons.
Why do people have to carry you while you spiritbind gathering/crafting gear.
11-02-2014, 01:46 PM
Animarelic

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Originally Posted by Mykll

You can SB in low level dungeons. You just not going to SB a full set of ilvl 49 crafting gear in Satasha. Needs to be level appropriate.

They need to allow sync'ed gear to still benefit it will give the dungeons new life.
11-02-2014, 02:24 PM
MilesSaintboroguh

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Originally Posted by Animarelic

They need to allow sync'ed gear to still benefit it will give the dungeons new life.

Then people will just ignore high level dungeons to do easy ones for fast spiritbinding. So no.
11-02-2014, 02:29 PM
SlyRoyale

If anyone plans to spiritbond in dungeons, they should use DoW/M accessories (and maybe gear) that is level-appropriate for the instance. If anyone wants to spiritbond with crafting/gathering accessories, kill plasmoids or water sprites in the open world. It's called common courtesy, folks! Give it a shot sometimes.
11-02-2014, 02:35 PM
Thistledown

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

If anyone plans to spiritbond in dungeons, they should use DoW/M accessories (and maybe gear) that is level-appropriate for the instance. If anyone wants to spiritbond with crafting/gathering accessories, kill plasmoids or water sprites in the open world. It's called common courtesy, folks! Give it a shot sometimes.

Any reason for the specific mobs? Really curious.
11-02-2014, 02:43 PM
MilesSaintboroguh

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Originally Posted by Thistledown

Any reason for the specific mobs? Really curious.

Only open world mobs that are at level 50.
11-02-2014, 03:30 PM
Squa11_Leonhart

working as intended - and better than it used to.

/closethread.
11-02-2014, 04:11 PM
Animarelic

I am against leveling crafting gear in instances, Nor am I asking for the same bonding experience as higher dungeons. They could adjust the rate to give you something small for your time nothing major. Personally I'd rather not have someone offer to pay me 10-20K to run them as I never will or plan to take their Gil. But a measly 3-5% spirit bond for the entire run regardless of the ilv isn't too much to ask for since i'm going.

As for all the snide posts try to be constructive vs whining about your bad experiences because i'm not the cause of them.
11-02-2014, 04:22 PM
Kimikryo

Yes please, allow us to get at least A BIT of spiritbonding when we do low level dungeons.

Not saying it should be that good we can spam those dunegons for speed Spiritbonding, but not getting a single % on that crafted DoW/M piece is annoying.
11-02-2014, 04:24 PM
Lemuria

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Originally Posted by SlyRoyale

If anyone plans to spiritbond in dungeons, they should use DoW/M accessories (and maybe gear) that is level-appropriate for the instance. If anyone wants to spiritbond with crafting/gathering accessories, kill plasmoids or water sprites in the open world. It's called common courtesy, folks! Give it a shot sometimes.

The downside with that idea is that when it comes to duty roulette there's no guarantee which dungeon you'll end up in. You may equip a bunch of level 20 gear and end up in Haukke Manor or worse. I don't imagine your party will be thrilled to see a level 49 tank in Aurum Vale wearing level 20 equips.

I think the main thing that prompted the OP was that there aren't many tanks to go around in low level duties. I know there's a rush for Rogues right now, but there honestly has never been many tanks in the first instance for low level duty. Giving players a bit more reason to run them may entice more tanks and healers to join roulette and alleviate some of the wait time that DPS has to suffer through.

Now, I know you could pick and choose your dungeons but that in itself isn't a great solution. Roulette looks for groups which need a party and pairs you up, meaning if a player actually needs a specific dungeon they might spend forever waiting on it if no one is doing the roulette. By doing roulettes, it encourages more of these characters to be matched with teams and helps reduce the overall wait times.

I personally HATE the whole spirit bonding process now that they've made it so darned annoying. It's small wonder that materia prices almost doubled overnight on my server post-patch. The band of dungeons at which you can actually spiritbond is now frustratingly narrow.
11-02-2014, 04:52 PM
Snugglebutt

No thanks. It is fine as it stands. There will be a huge influx of tanks when the expansion comes out so that won't be as much of an issue as it is now. The amount of places can spirit bond is fine already in regards to high level dungeons and I have run into no major problems spirit bonding higher level gear relatively quickly in them. With low level gear spirit bonding open world or fates is very quick already too and does not stop me helping out with low level dungeons or put me off running them.
11-02-2014, 09:03 PM
LalaRu

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

The downside with that idea is that when it comes to duty roulette there's no guarantee which dungeon you'll end up in.

If the scope is spiritbond, there is no need to use roulette. You will wear what you bond, and queue for a duty with level appropriate for your stuff to bond. If you wanna go roulette is because you are on a role with instapop, so it will be instapop even this way.

Want "in need" bonus + bond? Good luck, then, with roulette but don't complain: you got your 5k Gil.
11-02-2014, 09:13 PM
SulwynCaliope

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Originally Posted by Animarelic

I am against leveling crafting gear in instances, Nor am I asking for the same bonding experience as higher dungeons. They could adjust the rate to give you something small for your time nothing major. Personally I'd rather not have someone offer to pay me 10-20K to run them as I never will or plan to take their Gil. But a measly 3-5% spirit bond for the entire run regardless of the ilv isn't too much to ask for since i'm going.

As for all the snide posts try to be constructive vs whining about your bad experiences because i'm not the cause of them.

I can tell you from personal experience that 3-5% bond from lower level dungeons isn't a reward at all. I can fully spirit bond a set in urth's gift given that I'm using gear that's HQ and melded, in 15 minutes. In the time it takes me to do one low level dungeon, I could've fully bonded 2-3 sets of gear.
11-02-2014, 09:36 PM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

The downside with that idea is that when it comes to duty roulette there's no guarantee which dungeon you'll end up in. You may equip a bunch of level 20 gear and end up in Haukke Manor or worse. I don't imagine your party will be thrilled to see a level 49 tank in Aurum Vale wearing level 20 equips.

Take different sets with you. Lv25 set, lv 35 set and lv 45 set. The moment you see what dungeon you are in you can change the set you are wearing.
11-02-2014, 11:58 PM
raelgun

Been fighting to for months on end in a number of threads to get the silly level of spiritbonders out of dungeons with the wrong stuff, no I am against this, if you want to spiritbond, either make a party for it, or go out in the world to do it, spirit bonding should only effect you and only you should work for it unless a group is specifically designed for it, weve had months and months of debate about stuff like this, SE made the change, a good change to sort this out.
11-03-2014, 02:08 AM
Waeksyn

I am definitely in favor of this. I still SB in dungeons where I can and usually top the DPS hate list. All the whiners who don't want any SB in dungeons are ignoring facts. I can only surmise that they want over geared parties to carry them.
11-03-2014, 02:11 AM
SlyRoyale

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Originally Posted by Thistledown

Any reason for the specific mobs? Really curious.

It has to do with the rate of spiritbonding being affected by the difference between the item level of the gear you're spiritbonding and the difficulty level of a mob or dungeon. If the difference is too great, the rate at which you'd spiritbond will be very low.

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Originally Posted by Lemuria

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Using the Duty Roulette to spiritbond is a bad idea for the ill-prepared or those who don't have room in their Armoury Chest to accommodate for what dungeon they get.

Personally, I find the spiritbonding process to be better than it was before. Almost all of my high iLv. gear (100+) is completely spiritbonded from clearing many dungeons and raids (Hullbreaker, Snowcloak, Syrcus Tower, SCoB). Before the change, I doubt they would be spiritbonding so quickly. Besides, you get level synched if your level is higher than the max the dungeon allows. Using gear that's too strong for it for spiritbonding is basically moot. Since I'm levelling my DoM classes and make my own gear for them, I manage to spiritbond almost all 12 pieces of gear I've equipped. Basically, if you know how to spiritbond effectively in a dungeon you can do it without causing any grievance towards anyone you get paired up with.
11-03-2014, 02:20 AM
raelgun

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I am definitely in favor of this. I still SB in dungeons where I can and usually top the DPS hate list. All the whiners who don't want any SB in dungeons are ignoring facts. I can only surmise that they want over geared parties to carry them.

Youve been fighting for this for months, and says the one that literally wants to go into any dungeon and SB with no issue, the line wasnt drawn and it has now, I recall your thread where you despised the changes, no its you that would prefer a fast sb session with overgeared high performance players, this mind set needs to die.
11-03-2014, 02:42 AM
Waeksyn

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Youve been fighting for this for months, and says the one that literally wants to go into any dungeon and SB with no issue, the line wasnt drawn and it has now, I recall your thread where you despised the changes, no its you that would prefer a fast sb session with overgeared high performance players, this mind set needs to die.

I'm totally fine with each and every member of the party being in SB gear as long as they meet the iLevel requirements of the dungeon. You, on the other hand, only seem to want over geared players. Must be to compensate for something.
11-03-2014, 02:44 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Waeksyn

I am definitely in favor of this. I still SB in dungeons where I can and usually top the DPS hate list. All the whiners who don't want any SB in dungeons are ignoring facts. I can only surmise that they want over geared parties to carry them.

This is no wounder, now that you only get SB with gear at the right ilevel
11-03-2014, 02:47 AM
Waeksyn

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Originally Posted by Felis

This is no wounder, now that you only get SB with gear at the right ilevel

The dungeons that I SB in are exactly the same that I did before using exactly the same gear. Dungeons where I can't because of level restrictions I avoid altogether.

My position was always that you should meet the dungeon ILevel requirement, even before the change.

What the OP is proposing is a great idea as it would encourage more participation in low level content that may be suffering. I think most people would rather have a 5 minute queue time to party with those who may be SB'ing than a longer queue to get over geared parties.