I'm using BLM for it, but would SMN be a large increase of DPS over BLM? BLMs can Manaward Prey successfully but SMN with maintaining DPS and Raising (if needed) seem great.
BLM vs SMN for T10
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11-01-2014, 06:32 AMSkeith-AdelineBLM vs SMN for T10
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11-01-2014, 07:20 AMOneWingedSoraBLM is really good for T10. There's not a lot of movement to be done really and you can just use AM if you need to. T11 is where you will wanna use SMN :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline
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11-01-2014, 08:13 AMMadoka
Use the one you're personally better at.
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11-01-2014, 09:01 PMYesterdayThis. Whatever class you dps higher with should be the class you use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Madoka
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11-02-2014, 12:49 AMSeraviEdalborez
SMN suffers from serious MP issues in T10 due to the sheer number of enemies to DoT up. You will need Ballad or a lot more Energy Drain than normal.
Practice for this level of consumption would be Levi EX dotting up head, tail, adds, and all 4 spumes. -
11-02-2014, 12:50 AMRiceisNiceI thought tail reflected magic? At least it did when I used flash and flashed myself for 408 damage...Quote:
Originally Posted by SeraviEdalborez
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11-02-2014, 01:14 AMOneWingedSoraYou can still DoT it regardless, you will take damage yes, but that's nothing the healers can't heal. Also, if you bane the tail from the spume next to it, you won't take damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by RiceisNice
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11-02-2014, 01:18 AMSeraviEdalborez
Contagion tail so you don't have to hit it as much.
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11-02-2014, 01:38 AMSirTaint
Our BLM switches to SMn for 10. DOting all 4 adds at the same time really helps.
The second set of adds is the real DPS check once you get past them its a pretty straight forward win.
DoT> cont > bane the add set you do second. Then DoT bane the adds you burn first. Then Mage LB3. -
11-02-2014, 04:48 AMZencurse
I go BLM for T10. Not enough movement to justify the switch and in general a BLM vs SMN of equal level and gear with minimal movement on a target will end in BLMs favor. That said the add phase is an exception, however I've found that the length of the add phase and the fact I can flare a pair of adds outweighs the higher damage on the SMN during that phase. We still run with a summoner for that fight though as we find it slightly in favor of range vs melee (just easier to spread, easier to dodge blue circles of doom, less stacks are lost due to charges or tethers).
For T11, SMN LOOKS to be the best bet, I'm still doing some math and switching between the two on each lockout. But preliminary tests are showing SMNs ability to multi-dot during the add phase + the ability to not be rekt by nerve gas could outweigh the BLM higher single target potential. -
11-02-2014, 12:22 PMSleigh
SMN vs BLM, I tried both of them in T10 and T11. Ended up staying on BLM both.
T10, I initially felt SMN would win but as noted by Seravi, MP is ridiculous. SMN is better for the adds, but not by much since ending a BLM rotation in Flare is about a roughly 10% DPS gain so BLM can do pretty well there - also, with a good group the DPS check isn't too demanding so you can go BLM and still do very well since you'll do more damage the rest of the fight. The movement isn't too bad, first phase you can skip Wild Charge stacking completely and just stay spread out. Last phase is bad though, you will have to move no way around it and you generally can't AM (or if you can it's harder to do since there are so many variables in a very quick situation). BLM does win T10 though without Ballad, that's for sure. During our progression I did have some saves by Manaward and Apocastasis, both legitimately useful. Those are conveniences SMN doesn't have, and as far as I can tell the pet does nothing for the mechanics.
T11, MP's also an issue for SMN. A big one. However, the mobility for BLM is also very rough ... still trying to get it down but in general you WILL have to dodge at least one part of each Nerve Gas, if not both (still working on trying to be able to AM to a for sure repositioned safe person but right now I just dodge it myself), and during adds you will have to move, but you can usually move with a proc or Swiftcast rather than just plain movement. Rough fight for caster no matter how you slice it, the only reason to bring caster over BRD or another melee is for the Cube's Physical Damage 50% reduction.
So far from what I've seen, and I'm not trying to be pessimistic, T10-13 are melee/BRD fights. SMN's MP issues break it as bad as T8 does, unless you're willingly giving Ballad for healers, and BLM so far, in my eyes, is in a proportionately worse spot to melee/BRD than it was in T6-9 since it's harder to pass off or ignore mechanics. You bring caster (from an optimizing standpoint, anyway) because you need caster LB or something specific like the Cube. 2.4: Dreams of Melee. It's not a big deal because you still bring a caster but I feel less important than I did back in other turns so far. Maybe in a few weeks I'll feel differently but that's my experience thus far. -
11-02-2014, 02:09 PMHavenchild
Like others have said, T10 is rough on the MP for SMN only to be saved by a good Bard knowing when to time their Ballads. I say BLM can do more damage in this fight.
T11 however, I feel really favors Summoner for the Add Phase and the Nerve Gas movement. -
11-02-2014, 03:34 PMUninstall
Every time I try to dodge with AM I end up sliding under the boss and get the Heavy+Vulnerability debuff on me. :( It is manageable though at 600 Spell Speed especially when Fey Glow is active.
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11-02-2014, 05:55 PMSkeith-Adeline
Okay so we got the win. I think BLMing T10 is def better. The DoTs for adds is a good idea, but we cleared both sets of adds with Boss only at 5/6 and 7/8 stacks when the adds died (not when he finished charging).
The thing I do say is unfortunate, is the RNG. If I am targeted for Wild Charge, there goes an Astral or Umbral phase (moving to location, getting hit and running out of circles is harsh).
I too tried to find use for Aetherial, but later in the fight, it was detrimental unfortunately.
T11 however, felt odd. I could probably inch the Nerve AoE to minimize movements, but then there is the "gaseous bomb" clone and that aoe attack after that is harsh. My DPS is only 353 (sch spec) on my SMN, so I'll def try and find away to make BLM work.