The idea of having a junior adventurer go out and help with stuff that's great cool I get it.
The fact I have to waste an inventory slot and farm tokens for something that has an extensive time cooldown anyway?
Not so much.
This system is very time intensive.
1) Farming for ventures involves either alot of hunt or Grand Company or leave grinding. Not fun.
2) To be "optimal" one has to be logged in 24/7. Yes there are long ventures, but you get one "roll" vs ?12? and the odds don't seem to be better for the longer ventures.
3) It's near impossible to have all 4 retainers out constantly and not run out of ventures.
Idea:
Remove the venture token.
Allow adventures to pay retainers in Gil.
Or better yet, just remove the cost and stick with the time / upkeep cost.
Other option: make ventures tradable.
Feedback: I hate venture tokens.
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10-30-2014, 05:54 AMbalanced123Feedback: I hate venture tokens.
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10-30-2014, 06:09 AMOdinEon
You can buy venture tokens with gc seals, very minimal cost, you get twenty five tokens, my seals are almost always capped, not tough to come up with the seals.
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10-30-2014, 06:16 AMSakuraluna
Ventures are pretty easy to accumulate anyways? I do think you have a point though that they take up an inventory slot. It would be nice if they were listed under currency or something instead.
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10-30-2014, 06:38 AMbalanced123Where do you get 25 ventures from? O_o I see x5 from vendors.Quote:
Originally Posted by OdinEon
**Edit Let us look at this another way. 1,000 gc seals = 5 ventures. 1,500 seals will get you 1x crafting item.
I could spend on ventures and have 5x 1/1000 chance of not getting a fish... or I can craft something.
Same for Allied Seals. I could save and get a piece of gear or roll for a gamble.
Fun systems should be fun, not make you choose between progress and random loot. -
10-30-2014, 08:51 AMZedd702
GC Seals are not hard to come by... especially end game. It only seems that way when you are burdened with obtaining 2k for your chocobo, other than that ventures are fine as is IMO. If you don't want random loot then don't do ventures. Problem solved. My retainers bring back Allagan tin and other items when on the 18h venture. Don't know about you, but I can always use more gil. Also thathelps with progression as things cost gil...
Only request I have is to cut the time on 18 hr ventures down to like 10 hours or something 18 is just a wtf number for in or out game time lol. -
10-30-2014, 12:37 PMJeniLinsky
My retainer is lazy. I give her two ventures and an hour, and she comes back with... ten lightning shards? What, she walked around to three trees, called that good, and skipped off to have a chai latte with the other retainers?
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10-30-2014, 12:44 PMKinseykinz
I see what you're saying OP, but the balance in the retainer venture system IS the amount of time/expense of earning ventures in the first place. After all, if you choose to, you can have up to 4 retainers on each of your characters on one world....considering you can have 8 characters per world, that's a lot of ventures....but by making it so that it actually takes some effort to procure ventures, it eliminates the whole venture process being easy to do on 'storage alts' per se. You will naturally earn enough ventures doing normal in-game things to support your main character...and maybe one alt (if you play it occasionally as well), but you likely won't have a 32 retainer venture army at your disposal (I'm sure someone does...but that is basically all they do).
If you could send your retainers out w/o ventures....and/or if you could amass ventures even easier, it would create an imbalance in the system. -
10-30-2014, 02:10 PMKuwaitumI agree it would be nice if the Venture Coins were put under Currency Tab (Slotless currency) as Seals & Gil (since they are untradable).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakuraluna
I don't see anything imbalanced or not fair, it is a "Venture" in the first place. I wish my retainers returned with at least crafting mats or a crafted item every time they return, usually I get fish & kelp weed. On the other hand, I got several Gathering Teir IV materia from my Botanist retainer, I was like wow! and super happy.
I admit I'd like better items then Kelp & Fish.. other then that its good so far. -
10-31-2014, 03:39 AMEricCartmenez
1 A hunt = 20 Allied Seals = 10 Ventures = a couple minutes of your time. Look at it that way.
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10-31-2014, 04:25 AMSalemP
at lv 50 at least, I don't find myself struggling to get ventures or GC seals. Can't really speak for everyone though, but it's pretty effortless for me. Also pls don't make me pay them gil to send them out. The reason I send them out is (mostly) to get stuff back that I can sell to make money.
I like the idea of ventures being listed as currency rather than taking up inventory space.
As for the optimal thing, I don't get it. I mean, no you can't send out retainers when you're offline. But then, you can't level your character or gather materials or craft items when you're offline either. Arguably to optimize your gaming experience as a whole, you'd have to be online 24/7. I'm not sure why that's an issue you have with retainers. -
10-31-2014, 04:43 AMYonko8 hours sleep + 8 hours work + commute time ~18 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedd702
I still wish it was less time through.
I also wish there was a way to send them on several 1hr ventures at once. I'd love to be able to send my retainer out on a gathering venture x 8 for when I log off for the night (and I'd pay more than just cost x 8 for being able to do this too) -
11-04-2014, 03:42 AMchidarake
if you do daily roulettes and get dungeon drops (ear) just trade those for seals then ventures... I usually don't run out but then I don't send my retainers out 10 times a day either, just the 18hr one and check in the morning.
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11-11-2014, 12:55 AMLineageRazorThe idea behind this is that you're supposed to send out your retainers on an expedition no more than once per day. So why not make it 24 hours? Because people would stress out if they have to be ready every day at exactly the same time or start to fall behind. So, making it 18 hours gives folks plenty of wiggle room.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zedd702
If you have lots of free time, you CAN work things out to squeeze in extra retainer ventures by sending your retainer out every eighteen hours on the dot - but that's not how it's intended to be done. -
11-14-2014, 01:15 PMChiramu
Completing levequests award ventures, turning GC seals in for ventures, Allied seals for ventures and completing beast tribe quests for ventures.
There are more than enough way to gather venture coins and you do not have to do it on your most geared level 50, I've gotta plenty venture coins from levequests on NIN too. -
11-17-2014, 04:32 AMNozomiKeiI most certainly don't. The easiest way would be with GC seals which are most easily earned (imo) in FATEs, which I don't do. I only did leves when I had to for books or crafting but otherwise I never touch them. Never do guildhests unless leveling a new job. Back when I was grinding for atma I was swimming in ventures and sending out my retainers constantly, but now that I'm not doing that I only see a venture in my inventory once every three weeks or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kinseykinz
I agree with putting them under currency.
Edit: You can also turn in gear, and I did that for awhile, clearing out my stock of gear for jobs I don't yet play. Now I'm not doing many low lvl dungeons anymore because I'm not working on books so I don't earn that stuff. -
11-17-2014, 05:48 AMdspguy
I"d be happy if they made venture tokens either a key item or just tracked them in the currency window. The fact that these things take up actual inventory space is silly. What next? Convert all my gil to Allagan Tin Pieces and trade those to NPCs, players and marketboards?