Compared to the other 2 dungeons, the bosses in Sastasha HM seems a bit...Unbalanced?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for difficult dungeons and all but I'm guessing Sastasha HM might get nerfed eventually like Pharos Sirius did. It's definitely the most troublesome of the 3 new dungeons. Just went with a good group of i105+ and we crawled by. I can't imagine how hard of a time a group of i80 people will have.

What do you guys think?
Would you want to leave it as is, or would you prefer it to be less punishing?

Dfed it with i96 healer and dps and we one shot the entire dungeon. I really don't understand the issues people are having

I have to agree with OP on this. In a single run of all three dungeons. I had the hardest time with Sastasha HM, and only because of that first boss, mainly because my party was running a BLM and BRD, so no real stunning power besides me, who kept getting stunned despite doing my best to run from the boss when needed. Wiped on the fight, like, three times before we got lucky enough to get its HP down to 0.

Though honestly? I don't think anyone one-shot that dungeon on their very first time. Even getting lucky enough to get past the first boss, that second boss had a very hard-to-predict left-field ending that is practically impossible to fend off unless you know that it's coming. I won't spoil it for those who haven't run it yet, but yeah.

Only problem I had with Snowcloak was the mechanics of the Yeti boss, but we figured that out real quick.

Had no real problem with Qarn at all.

Sas HM was a trial, still oblivious to how the tank mechanics worked for the first boss, but we eventually got through it. But I can say that it was a much more trying experience than Snowcloak and Qarn HM. Not impossible, but trying.

They are a bit hard but not that hard, perhaps you don't fully understand the mechanics yet, and how to deal with them.

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Though honestly? I don't think anyone one-shot that dungeon on their very first time. Even getting lucky enough to get past the first boss, that second boss had a very hard-to-predict left-field ending that is practically impossible to fend off unless you know that it's coming. I won't spoil it for those who haven't run it yet, but yeah.
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Weird because we did with only 1 death the entire run, which was a dps on the first boss (we did not stun a single tail screw, I tried to silence it, saw it didn't work and just used my sch defensive CDs.) other than that the run was cake including the second boss.

I get the mechanics but it seemed a little over-the-top compared to the other 2 dungeons.

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Originally Posted by lolnin

Weird because we did with only 1 death the entire run, which was a dps on the first boss (we did not stun a single tail screw, I tried to silence it, saw it didn't work and just used my sch defensive CDs.) other than that the run was cake including the second boss.

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Probably a fair bit of luck involved, then. We were all separated in the first run of the second boss, got held, AoEs took out the healer first and the rest of us shortly after. Wasn't until the second attempt we thought to (Spoiler)huddle together and use the BLM's LB when they finally spawned. But then you probably got luckier than we did on initial positioning.

Really? My first DF group just Aoe'd everything to death, and the bosses we just... Hit really hard... XD Granted my guild mates who ran together and had voice chat had a lot of trouble... but... I really don't see what trouble people are having cause I don't even know any of the mechanics.

Maybe we were all over geared and lucky.

Please refrain from the snooty "It's so easy!" comments. Missing the point lol
I was just asking if people would prefer to leave it as is or if they would prefer it toned down slightly to the difficulty of the other 2 dungeons.
I can already imagine people leaving this dungeon during roulette. xD

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Originally Posted by lolnin

Dfed it with i96 healer and dps and we one shot the entire dungeon. I really don't understand the issues people are having

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Queue alone, or with a tank, but not with a dps.
You will have a lot of fun with derpy DPS on the second boss.
The only mechanic at this boss is, DPSing him while hes shooting, and while this being not really a "mechanic" itself, a lot of pug dps fail at it.

The rest of the dungeon indeed is cake, i didnt even esuna on the first boss the first time i was in there and we oneshotted it lol.

Oh man, you mean I can't sleep on the job? One of the things I liked about Dungeons on this game, is that I could get in some sleep while tanking in dungeons.

The heads up is appreciated. I'll know to go in full alert.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Please refrain from the snooty "It's so easy!" comments. Missing the point lol
I was just asking if people would prefer to leave it as is or if they would prefer it toned down slightly to the difficulty of the other 2 dungeons.
I can already imagine people leaving this dungeon during roulette. xD

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Saying that it is easy answers your question. Why make it easier? If it ain't broke don't fix it right? Perhaps we are trying to understand why you are thinking that it is so difficult. I had far much more trouble with my DF group for Snowcloak, and I certain don't think that should be nerfed so why nerf Sastasha~

My group wiped twice each on the first and last boss, and I don't remember how many times on the 2nd. We won with less than 3 minutes left on the clock. I'm definitely not looking forward to rolling this in roulette.

On the one hand I also had trouble with Satasha HM's first 2 bosses, on the other hand this is more confirmation bias if anything. The dungeons are still new and odds are that quality guides aren't even out yet (if guides are even out at all)

I really enjoyed all 3 dungeons, challenging but nothing too extreme.

But is it me or is the ability on the first boss of satasha, the one that takes you to 1hp, a bit buggy.
It took me to 1hp, and I healed up, then it straight up one shot the dps.
I'm pretty sure he was at full hp and had no debuffs on him.

The only trouble we had in Sastasha at all was the final boss. No one died, but it took us awhile to slog through it.
The first boss was scary but not difficult. The only death was from being hit by both abilities together.
(PLD,SCH,MNK,SMN *Speaking as ilvl93 Summoner.)

I might consider Qarn equivalent in difficulty to the original Pharos Sirius. Sastasha was a lot easier by comparison. Although, now that we know the fights, Qarn shouldn't be as difficult.

I haven't done Snowcloak, so I don't know how it compares.

It's a gear check. It wasn't really hard and I had ilv90 ppl just the mobs towards the end have high HP pools. They designed it that way to keep it being a SR until you gear up.

Most of the 2.4 dungeons punish with death or near-death mechanics now, so you have to succeed at them, whereas the other dungeons punished with damage that was ignorable. This is probably why they seem over-tuned compared to other dungeons at endgame.

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Originally Posted by Roll

Please refrain from the snooty "It's so easy!" comments. Missing the point lol
I was just asking if people would prefer to leave it as is or if they would prefer it toned down slightly to the difficulty of the other 2 dungeons.
I can already imagine people leaving this dungeon during roulette. xD

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I'd rather they keep it as it is. We went in blind and had no idea that the tail swap was stunnable, we had to figure out a way to beat the second boss (we wiped 2 times there), and the final boss was a TANK lol. But you know what? we had so much fun. I'm kind of bored of derping my way through dungeons. This was the first time since pharos that I had to stay focused and I really really hope they don't nerf it. It was good and a fun challenge.

Hmm, first boss and last boss didn't seem too hard to me (last boss was hectic but fun to heal!) But I couldn't even count the number of times we wiped on the second boss.

I don't know exactly what our dps were doing, but we definitely tried ignoring adds through the gunshots but towards the end he still wouldn't stop shooting. Several thmes he shot the entire party to death because if his target dies while he's shooting, he just switches to someone else immediately.

Now I want to try with dps who claim not to have had any problems!

I'm glad that a "hard" dungeon is actually somewhat challenging. The fact that most "hard" dungeons are easier than their normal counterparts was quite sad.

I just ran it with another member of my FC and two PUGs-- first time through it for all of us. We one-shotted it without any issues. The only death in the entire thing was me being hit by a Tail Screw before we realized how that mechanic worked.

We actually had more trouble with the second boss in Qarn and wiped to that one a few times until we figured out a couple of key mechanics.

no i like hard stuff first boss is awesome

I can't even get in to any of them. Too many tanks and healers gone rogue.

So can someone list the mechanic of each bosses and how to encounter this? Rather not deal with a bunch of "deaths" and wipes and making a 30 mnts dungeon becoming 60-90 mnts long slog. Appreciate the tips in advance, and if you could be more specific.

As far as I know - Satasha Boss 1, he put debuff on 2-3 party members and sometimes 1-2 debuffs which is not that fast to remove before he hit them and kill any party member with it instantly. We are not talking you have very low hp and can recover, it's instant death. Removing one debuff on 2 party members is doable, more than that, one of them is going to die. This is a rather cheap stupid move from SE.

Satasha Boss 2, can anyone figure out the strategy? How to avoid being shackled - and pretty much zerged to death by adds? You cannot get rid of this status by esuna or anything. I had to keep on curing, regen and stoneskin myself just to be able to stay alive.

Satasha Boss 3, what's the deal with tentacle and arms? Which one that has to be killed first? they keep respawning and it's a total nightmare to heal when you party members are all over the place and AOE heals don't even reach them. Melee DPS are having a hard time getting near the boss.

I don't particularly find any of the new HM bosses hard. They're just massive HP walls with annoying gimmicks (mechanics) that keep them alive for longer than they deserve to be, it's not really a question of wiping so much as it is "Wow this fight should've been over 5 minutes ago". Worst offender is the Kraken in Sastasha.

Sastasha Boss 1- Remove debuffs as they are placed, have tank stun when he uses the OHKO/Near OHKO move (Forget the name, but it's telegraphed). Other than that tank and spank.

Boss 2 - Kill adds as soon as they spawn, the longer the adds stay alive the longer he shoots = more damage (Or something?). Adds themselves are non-threat, they die fast and do little damage. Surviving the boss's shots is the only issue.

Satasha Boss 3 - I always just kill the arms, leave the tentacles. If you leave too many arms/tentacles alive you get hit by multiple water vortexes that explode and wipe you. This boss is just really annoying tbh. Walking near the tentacles to DPS them as tank or melee results in getting thrown/stunned into one of the Kraken's frontal AoEs.

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Boss one; Get rid of debuff and stun tail attack.

Two; Cannot stop the zombies from holding you down, just attack them and get them off of you. They neeed to go down asap~ If he targets someone, throw all of your dps onto him to stop it... Or so I hear. He does linger on some longer than others.

Three; Ignore tentacle, take out the arms and then focus the boss. Rinse repeat.

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Three; Ignore tentacle, take out the arms and then focus the boss. Rinse repeat.

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I'd say kill everything and then attack boss (unless DPS is too low) having tentacles stunning you every often is annoying.

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I'd say kill everything and then attack boss (unless DPS is too low) having tentacles stunning you every often is annoying.

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They only stun you if you get near them, its honestly a waste of time to kill them. Just need to be aware of your surroundings.

Meh. I would have one-shot Sastasha HM if it wasn't for that stupid dragoon LBing the 2nd boss at pull and then AFKing for the fight... We managed to go down to the last 2 adds before the inevitable wipe (can't protect the team with only one dps).

Qarn was way more difficult, in the sense that people can be very, very blind to obvious things. I had to make a macro with "adds", "guardian", and "boss" to get it done. Even like that, we were at 0.1s to wipe...

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So can someone list the mechanic of each bosses and how to encounter this? Rather not deal with a bunch of "deaths" and wipes and making a 30 mnts dungeon becoming 60-90 mnts long slog. Appreciate the tips in advance, and if you could be more specific..

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They are really easy honestly if you aren't half braindead :

Boss 1 : stun the tail screw (tank will be stunned just before after 50%, so have a dps do it or have a reactive healer) and esuna/leeches the debuff. Tailscrew will make its target have only 1 HP, so they'll die right after with the debuff if not healed in time.

Boss 2 : kill adds asap. dps the boss when he uses his gun to make him stop (same mechanic as the BLM mog in mog Ex) and kill rooting adds first (the slaves)

Boss 3 : kill the arms to avoid an attack (I never saw what it does, because my group tends to burn everything before thinking). Tentacles stun and throw you if you're too close). The boss shares damage with the arms and tentacles, so you can just dps the arms for the whole fight.

I liked all of the dungeons, since they provided the most challenge I've had in an instance since pre-nerf Pharos Sirius and Amdapor Keep. For once, I actually had to focus on healing instead of just casting Divine Seal/Regen on the tank and stepping into Cleric Stance.

We had troubles with the second boss only, for some reason he kept spamming his shotgun thing without end, getting a stack of damage boost every time, even when all the adds were down, until the healer finally got OOM and we wiped. It was kind of frustrating.

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We had troubles with the second boss only, for some reason he kept spamming his shotgun thing without end, getting a stack of damage boost every time, even when all the adds were down, until the healer finally got OOM and we wiped. It was kind of frustrating.

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read the spoiler is you want to get rid of the mechanic

I’ve only done Sastasha HM with a Light FC Party so far and even though we were all over geared for the dungeon, you can still get overwhelmed if you do not know what to focus on. Things can go bad really fast if you don’t know the mechanics. We’ve experienced that first hand in our run. Hahaha.

We had some pretty funny moments on TeamSpeak because of it. We had 2 groups doing Sastasha HM, but the 2nd group started when the 1st group (the group i was in) was at the 2nd boss. So you could basically hear where the 2nd group was, based on their “Ow sh*t!” reactions. (^_^ )

All in all, i think the difficulty of the dungeon is ok. You just need to figure out what to focus on with each encounter and learn from there.

It also help that we now know what to expect, so we’ll be prepared the next time we enter the dungeon. (^_~ )

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read the spoiler is you want to get rid of the mechanic

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We figured it out after the first wipe. On first try, both DPS got destroyed in a matter of second, , and me as a tank hitting the Boss on my own didn't do enough damage for him to ever stop. At least, not until out WHM got OOM >.>

I would prefer the dungeon left as it is. The challenge is only a good thing, if you ask me. It'll be all the more satisfying for the player the complete the dungeon if he's previously struggled with it. That's how I felt with Pharos Sirius. Sure, I'd have some less-than-successful PS runs, but the ones that did fight till the bitter end were all the more satisfying.

I'm honestly getting a bit tired of this hand-holding. We're at lvl 50 with ilvl-I'velostcount, it's about time we learnt to mind our surroundings and learn our roles, yes? I know it would prepare me better for extreme primals or Coil if I didn't faceroll through the normal dungeons all the time.

I went through my first run through the day after the patch with a couple of fc members. Initially speaking, it was the more difficult of the 3 new ones imo. It took us a few tries with each boss to learn the mechanics, and as I was an i103 SCH during the run, NONE of those tail moves by the first boss were stunned so I was out of mana from constantly lustrating the person who got left with 1% health and from the triple sludge debuffs I had to leech off.

Was fun going in blind though!

I like harder 4 man content.It is also something nice for people who seek more of a challenge, but maybe don't want to get into coil or ex primals. I say make even harder ones then this even.

You can get up to an ilvl of 130 now in the game which will greatly speed up run times. The dungeons were designed in such a way that people in a full ilvl 110 group the old ilvl cap would still take awhile to kill the bosses so we didn't get a mythflox zone again which could be beat in 8 min.

Facerolled Sastasha. Usually I don't do dungeons since they're so pointless and way too easy. Didn't even do Haukke, Copperbell etc. I heard Sastasha was hard. It was not.