Well, as predicted, the requirements are higher than ever.
To unlock (just to unlock) the 2.4 crafting gear for all the DoH:
-You'll need to HQ 3 of the 3-star version of the 2.3 mats. (e.g.Intricate Silver Brocade)
-The difficulty is 801 (pretty much double cashmere cloth despite both being 3 stars.)
-You need 2 Field III for each item, you need 3 items so 6 Field III. 48 Field III to craft all the materials to unlock, ASSUMING you HQ every craft and not botch a single one. In my server that's 14 million odd gil just to unlock everything, assuming everything goes well. There are other mats costs too.
-Artisan secondary weapons can be HQ'd, and with everyone's grim predictions, they can be melded.
Crafting the actual artisan gear is another thing but that ain't no cakewalk either.
I really didn't mind the 3 star requirements cause that was just a time grind, 4 stars though. I'm probably gonna still try to cap all these crafting classes, just giving people out there some of the things they're gonna see.
2.4 Crafting - Grim as predicted
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10-28-2014, 09:16 PMchocomaid2.4 Crafting - Grim as predicted
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10-28-2014, 09:24 PMSartori
Well no probllem on the field III I got those regular from the artisans's glasses. The hq 3 star, guess we'll see haven't really done any of those so I geared my BSM fully/ Supra also, cp 380 with food, mainly because it makes most of the artisans off hand tools
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10-28-2014, 09:25 PMTeirshin
This isnt any surprise to me.
SE has pretty much tuned crafting (and lots of other content) to be suitable only for the richest players in the game.
I've been an endgame crafter in every MMO I've played until this one..... SE really ruined crafting for me in FFXIV.
I'll finish getting BSM and ARM to 50 since I'm almost there now, but once I do, I'm done with crafting in this game.... forever. -
10-28-2014, 09:26 PMFornix
I'm still far from there myself. However, personally I don't regard such requirements to unlock endgame crafting as a bad thing. It helps create a certain level of demand, and makes it a worthy investment to stick time into crafting. Rather than just having everybody being able to craft endgame produce at low cost.
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10-28-2014, 09:33 PMTeirshinThat argument might hold water if end game crafted items were comparable to end game raiding gear thats faster/easier/cheaper to get for the most part.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fornix
SE said they want the best gear coming from raids, so nothing you craft will ever be comparable statwise to drops from dungeons, and no one will want it other than maybe for a glamour. -
10-28-2014, 09:46 PMGarlyleWell, for once it's actually not so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
110 gear is craftable as of this patch; which even though Soldiery is uncapped, buying it straight up makes a big difference in not having to get Second Coil drops/Syrcus Tower drops and then farm the soldiery for every single piece. It's still not the best but for the moment crafting is actually in at least a half decent spot - or at least better than it has been previous. -
10-28-2014, 09:51 PMSartoriNot interested in crafting end game gear, I make money with it, lots of it. You'd be surprised at how much crafting you can do for alot of other items in the game. But that would take time and ambition and since things don't get handed too you its meh I ain't going to do that....Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
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10-28-2014, 09:53 PMElladie
I craft (and gather) because I enjoy it, and I quite like being self-sufficient. Very very slowly working on upgrading my crafters and gatherers; only just got my artisans spectacles, and I'm slowly levelling my ALC to 50 for that final skill (think it's Comfort Zone). So I'm not stressing at all about 4 star reqs, my view is that it's a work in progress that will take me months, and I'll do it because it's fun and no other reason. Which is pretty much the reason I do anything in this game. If it's not fun - if I don't enjoy it ( yes, I'm looking at you, Titan) - then I'll steer clear
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10-28-2014, 09:57 PMPandaPauseQuote:
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Well said Satori.Quote:
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10-28-2014, 09:57 PMPteroisthis argument would make sense if the gear we crafted was not sellable... so no raiding is not the fastest. buying penta melded 4 star gear takes all of about half a second to hit buy. (dispite the amount of time it takes to make that kinda gil) and no im no elitest protecting endgame raiding... still havent cleared t5 lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
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10-28-2014, 10:00 PMHavenchild
The worst patch to hit crafting yet.
Consider the fact for a second that you had 445 Durability and 4980 Quality to meet before for 3 Star crafts and THAT was difficult with max melds, (RNG Based HQ)
If you use a single HQ mat in the recipe, you barely budge it maybe 6-8% at best.
They nearly doubled BOTH the Durabliity AND the Quality required. Like serious what the hell is this crap? 8964? Absolutely retarded.
The worse part is, only the offhand which is gated behind a week or so of rank 5 Ixali Dailies, is able to be obtained as an upgrade.
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10-28-2014, 10:03 PMGarlyleIsn't there a new set of new gear for the main body? i60 Body/Hands/Legs/Feet should be available now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Havenchild
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10-28-2014, 10:04 PMHavenchildAll gated behind the master books, which to get require the 3 HQ items, that are insanely difficult to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garlyle
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10-28-2014, 10:05 PMSartoriHands and Feet but some deal, crafted and above alot of people's means...Quote:
Originally Posted by Garlyle
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10-28-2014, 10:06 PMGrotesqueFully melded they give a +3 on controlQuote:
Originally Posted by Garlyle
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10-28-2014, 10:06 PMDarkDededeI'm pretty sure the crafting content is designed so that most cannot achieve everything by tomorrow. Of course, there are always going to be those players that have the resources to get it all, by tomorrow. It's up to the rest of us to profit off of these people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
Besides, if more people are lured away to the high end content, then that means less competition, and more potential buyers, for me. "Circle of Life," and all that. :) -
10-28-2014, 10:16 PMTeirshinAh yes, I want things handed to me.... not. I've got nearly every crafting class to 50 and I've made my share of millions on them as I leveled, don't think I didn't. (Nice try at a veiled insult btw, but really lame attempt)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sartori
Its not like I'm poor, I own a house of my own, and plenty of rare things that you dont see everyone walking around with, but SE keeps applying its "insane grind" logic to everything, and its getting real old real quick. High end crafting could be made challenging without feeling like its another 9-5 job. -
10-28-2014, 10:19 PMLyrinnIn hindsight, like all crafts, they're actually not *that* bad. RNG can suck but I was consistently hitting over 50% after I fine-tuned my rotation.Quote:
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10-28-2014, 10:23 PMKalleraThis, its not "either-or", and it really feels excessive right now, especially in light of the fact that we are limited to decorative items.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
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10-28-2014, 10:30 PMchocomaidI really wouldn't mind 50% at all if the mats were the same as the 2.3 mats. But this ones require 2 Field III a pop >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
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10-28-2014, 10:35 PMServerCollapsWhats wrong with an investment of 12 fc lll demi if you can earn 10s of millions of profit afterwards?Quote:
Originally Posted by chocomaid
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10-28-2014, 10:37 PMHavenchildI'm sure you could equally agree that it was fairly difficult and luck based as is to HQ a 3-Star. I was able to HQ 3 Stars but none short of luck between Good Procs and Hasty Touch successes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lyrinn
Like honestly why couldn't this HQ item have been the same Durability and Quality? It is a 3-Star craft all the same. For what purpose must it be nearly twice as hard, when the content behind that is fairly difficult and gated behind other various content? -
10-28-2014, 10:53 PMQuitting
I had actually already predicted that the new books would require HQ versions of the supra items, since they were being changed as such. Just to finish the progress, you have to use 4 PbP and 3 CS2. I did 5 attempts and just managed to get 1 HQ of the balanced hook.
However I think some of you are forgetting one thing, we can now desync these, and NQ and HQ versions both have the same chance of giving whatever it blows up to. I'm willing to bet that these 3 star crafts desync into mastercraft demi, thus you can make your money back.
I didn't get in desync prior to 2.4, but now with that in mind, it is what I will be working on. If you can make the connection, BSM can make fieldcraft III from summoning bells, thus craft darksteel hooks, blow up all the NQ for some (hopefully) mastercraft, and keep the HQ you do get for your new book, make new offhand tools (six of them as BSM) with your new ability to acquire (again hopefully!!!!) mastercraft from blowing up NQ balanced hooks. -
10-28-2014, 11:08 PMMrCookTMThis. Pentamelded i90 was very good when people were still progressing 2nd coil and there were even a few pieces that were straight better than 110. Pre 2.4 the Dragoon BiS headpiece was pentamelded i90, ruby accs were BiS for tanks until yesterday. I am pretty sure it will be a similar story in 2.4. Pentamelded hq is just that much better than same ilvl dungeon/token/raid gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Garlyle
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10-28-2014, 11:08 PMchocomaidThat's a way to get some of the lost materials back if somehow we get NQ but do remember that there are 8 DoH classes but you can only desynth 3 classes >.<Quote:
Originally Posted by Quitting
It's a bit of a downer that if you do manage to NQ one of the mats, and you don't have a desynth for it, there is no reward for it, like the food/cordials from 2.3 (as little reward as they were, at least the NQ got used) -
10-28-2014, 11:12 PMQuittingYes that's true, again I didn't dive into desync last patch so had forgotten that 3 craft limit. Also, I actually only have three crafts I am focused on, got supras for them, so I can see this being an issue for a truly serious crafter of all 8 crafts. On another note, the price of fieldcraft III on my server tripled in price in less than an hour lol, can't imagine what it is like now.Quote:
Originally Posted by chocomaid
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10-28-2014, 11:27 PMcloverkittyWhy do you say crafting is only for the richest players in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Teirshin
1. If you are a crafter with up to 3 star you can make good gil, if you have 3 star and you are not then you may want to look at what you can make so you can get a ROI.
2. SE has made Fieldcraft 3 quite easy and cheap to obtain (although it can take some time to farm the mats (Rimless, and thick Glasses)). There are probably other options now but I have not looked.
3. Materia can be made yourself and tier 3 materia (which is 1 less than tier 4 on stats) typically stayed very cheap.
If there is not a Return on investment then there is no benefit to making the new stuff.
However by having these gates. If you are determined enough (even if mostly broke) you can make good gil, and get the stuff you need for higher level crafting. There is only cost if you take the shortcut and use the marketboard route.
Hope that helps for all of those who are on the fence. I personally feel that reasonable gates give a level of accomplishment and there is enough incentive to get there.
To make it even easier there is new high crafting and gathering food in the existing master books to give you a larger boost.