Yay! Possible New Bard LB

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10-25-2014, 09:50 PM
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Yay! Possible New Bard LB

Just watching the EU Fan Fest and it was brought up that bards might eventually get a new job specific Limit Break!
10-25-2014, 09:53 PM
charlemagne

individual rather than party limit breaks seemed to be hinted at too.
10-25-2014, 10:11 PM
abzoluut

They said it would be for all jobs. Not just BRD. The question was about BRD specifically, but they clearly said it would be somewhere around 3.0 and basically a revamp to the LB system we currently have.
10-25-2014, 10:49 PM
Parodine

Yeah, I remember them saying a while back they were going to revise the system to at least give unique animations.

Ninja's using Bravery and Final Heaven might have been the final push the design team needed to see to think 'Yeah, this doesn't make a lot of sense.'
10-25-2014, 10:49 PM
Dashuto

Folks gonna find a way to get MAD about this too, just watch the thread a sec...
10-25-2014, 10:52 PM
Balipu

I won't be the mad guy. It does sound stupid for ranged DPS to have a healing limit break. I welcome the change.
10-25-2014, 11:22 PM
RyujinUzikin

Individual LB's are better, imagine if it causes extra dmg if everyone executes their respective LB's at the same time? Maybe as much dmg as a party LB.

Just do it already, this whole situation when a person doesn't do LB cause DERP is killing me.
10-26-2014, 02:38 AM
HakuroDK

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Originally Posted by RyujinUzikin

Individual LB's are better, imagine if it causes extra dmg if everyone executes their respective LB's at the same time? Maybe as much dmg as a party LB.

Just do it already, this whole situation when a person doesn't do LB cause DERP is killing me.

I definitely support individual Limit Breaks. So many times I want to use my Tank LB to protect certain specific fool DPS from getting killed for not paying attention, but I can't because then the DPS/Healers wouldn't get to use their LBs as needed.
10-26-2014, 02:45 AM
Laerune

This can work, just add another bar to the Limit Break bar and give the individual Limit Break its own skill icon.
10-26-2014, 03:59 AM
Cyrus-Wallace

I think they're just making them job-specific, not individually. They might still be a groupal-effect LB.
10-26-2014, 04:10 AM
HakuroDK

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Originally Posted by Laerune

This can work, just add another bar to the Limit Break bar and give the individual Limit Break its own skill icon.

I'd rather just ditch the party Limit Break altogether since, traditionally, Limit Breaks are meant to be singular.
10-26-2014, 04:13 AM
Gilthas

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

I'd rather just ditch the party Limit Break altogether since, traditionally, Limit Breaks are meant to be singular.

Yeah, but then what exactly makes those limit breaks different from your normal abilities?

I think it's more likely that they're just giving each job a different animation for Limit Breaks.
10-26-2014, 04:20 AM
Lemuria

I would personally LOVE it if Summoner get's an epic primal summoning for their limit break based on the avatar they have out. Get Ifrit to break out Inferno, Titan to use Earthen Fury and Garuda to use Aerial Blast. Oh, and 'Highwind' for Dragoon...

...do I dare to dream?
10-26-2014, 04:26 AM
HakuroDK

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Yeah, but then what exactly makes those limit breaks different from your normal abilities?

I think it's more likely that they're just giving each job a different animation for Limit Breaks.

The difference is that some individuals who are usually not allowed to use their limit breaks (Tanks, largely) could be able to use their limit breaks. There's a similar system in DCUO. Each player has a meter they fill. Once it fills a certain amount, they can activate their "Overcharge" ability, depending on which it is. It doesn't really break anything as it is just as hard to fill the Overcharge meter as it is to fill the Limit Break meter (the only difference being that the Overcharge meter starts at whatever you had before you started rather than at 0 before every boss fight).

I would love, as a tank, to be able to use a defensive Limit Break to protect people without getting yelled at for wasting LB that the Melee DPS or Healers could have used instead. Not that I ever do that, I know better. But I would love the opportunity to hit the Limit Break button and put up a massive shield around the entire party for a few seconds so a couple of fool dps don't cause a wipe due to not getting out of what is normally an OHKO AoE.
10-26-2014, 04:30 AM
Rustyhagun

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Originally Posted by Parodine

Yeah, I remember them saying a while back they were going to revise the system to at least give unique animations.

Ninja's using Bravery and Final Heaven might have been the final push the design team needed to see to think 'Yeah, this doesn't make a lot of sense.'

I'm glad.. Ive been waiting a long time for this to happen. As the Yoshi/devs did say they were going to revamp the LB system so each Job had their own unique LB, from lvl 1,2 & 3. Can't wait.
10-26-2014, 04:33 AM
Exstal

If Bard gets their own limit break it has to be one of two things;

1) Support limit
2) AoE limit that is explicitly weaker than mage one
10-26-2014, 04:40 AM
HakuroDK

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Originally Posted by Exstal

If Bard gets their own limit break it has to be one of two things;

1) Support limit
2) AoE limit that is explicitly weaker than mage one

I vote for Support Limit. Historically, a Bard's final learned ability is "Hero's Rime", which is a very powerful support ability that increases all attributes of all party members by a certain amount.
10-26-2014, 05:09 AM
Gilthas

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

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But again, how would that be different than any of your regular abilities? Your suggestion just turns party LBs into an ability with a long cooldown.

If you want to use the tank LB, you should ask SE to instead make them important in fights.
10-26-2014, 05:11 AM
Azper

I vote for an individual limit break system. It's kind of boring/not fun to almost always exclusively reserve the LB for the DPS. Tanks and healers get the shaft. -_-
10-26-2014, 05:13 AM
Ecks007

Nobody remembers when tanks LB'd before Garuda's Aerial Blast? No? Oh, okay.

Pepperidge Farms remembers.
10-26-2014, 05:21 AM
HakuroDK

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

But again, how would that be different than any of your regular abilities? Your suggestion just turns party LBs into an ability with a long cooldown.

If you want to use the tank LB, you should ask SE to instead make them important in fights.

Because it requires a meter to fill up before it's used, as opposed to being able to use it whenever, and it fills up whenever actions are taken, not automatically over time. I mean hell, by your logic, Limit Breaks in previous Final Fantasy titles weren't really Limit Breaks either.
10-26-2014, 05:25 AM
Gilthas

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Originally Posted by HakuroDK

Because it requires a meter to fill up before it's used, as opposed to being able to use it whenever, and it fills up whenever actions are taken, not automatically over time. I mean hell, by your logic, Limit Breaks in previous Final Fantasy titles weren't really Limit Breaks either.

And Warriors need to build up Wrath, and Ninja's need to do signs beforehand, and Summoners and Scholars need to have Aetherflow available, and Monks need to be in the proper stance, and so many melee abilities are chained off of others.

Again, the only thing you're doing is putting a longer cooldown on it.
10-26-2014, 05:41 AM
MomomiMomi

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

And Warriors need to build up Wrath, and Ninja's need to do signs beforehand, and Summoners and Scholars need to have Aetherflow available, and Monks need to be in the proper stance, and so many melee abilities are chained off of others.

Again, the only thing you're doing is putting a longer cooldown on it.

Are you suggesting the LB system is actually something good or fun? I think it's terrible. I've never even gotten to use my LB.
10-26-2014, 05:52 AM
Gilthas

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

Are you suggesting the LB system is actually something good or fun? I think it's terrible. I've never even gotten to use my LB.

So what exactly is the relevance of this comment?
10-26-2014, 06:05 AM
MomomiMomi

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

So what exactly is the relevance of this comment?

You seem to be against a changing of the LB system. I don't see why, since the LB system sucks.
10-26-2014, 06:13 AM
Gilthas

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You seem to be against a changing of the LB system. I don't see why, since the LB system sucks.

Oh, I don't mind it being changed, so that all jobs have the opportunity to use their LBs. But if you just make them individual LBs you might as well just remove the system since they'll just be regular abilities on a long cooldown.
10-26-2014, 06:19 AM
MomomiMomi

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Originally Posted by Gilthas

Oh, I don't mind it being changed, so that all jobs have the opportunity to use their LBs. But if you just make them individual LBs you might as well just remove the system since they'll just be regular abilities on a long cooldown.

Then I shall just detail how they're different from regular abilities.

You'll have to build up your LB. This could go up at a different rate for different actions for each job.

Example, healers would mainly build it up through healing (no overhealing), damage would build it up to a lesser extent. Tanks through tanking, so an offtank not tanking would build it up slower. DPS through damage, BRD, potentially having a unique support LB, could build it up through using songs.

And there are still different levels to the ability depending on how high you charge it up, making it unlike our other abilities.