Ronin/Samurai abilities

This is based off of the samurai being a tank:
Lv.1 Asura: An instant attack on GCD. If the ability is critical, the samurai will enter a counter stance until attacked or until 5 seconds expire. 140 potency. 70 TP
Lv2. Red Sky: Enters a counter attack stance for until attacked or until 5 seconds expire. If an attack (physical or magical) is countered, damage taken is reduced by 10% for 8 seconds. 40 second cooldown.
Lv.4 Fang: An instant attack on GCD. Deals damage with 100 potency. Increased enmity gain. Combos off of Asura for 200 potency. Combo Bonus: Ignores enemy buffs such as stoneskin or vulnerability down. 60 TP
Lv.6 Third Eye: Damage of next attack received is reduced by 30% (does not include auto-attacks). Enemy takes 10% of damage it deals with the ability. Does not work on certain abilities. 120 second cooldown.
Lv. 8 Mirror of Equity: Deals damage with 250 potency. Only available when own HP is below 20%. Using it heals self for damage done and allows samurai to enter counter stance until attacked or until 5 seconds expire. Has a 50% chance to dodge the next attack, regardless of whether it's magical or physical. 15 second cooldown. Cannot dodge certain abilities. 80 TP
Lv. 10 Koutetsu: Deals AoE damage in a circle around samurai for 50 potency on GCD with increased enmity. Combo from Asura for 60 potency. Combo bonus: If an attack crits, the samurai is healed for damage done, and has a 25% chance of entering a counter stance until attacked or until 5 seconds expire. Costs MP.
Lv. 12 Eclipse: Deals non-elemental magic damage with 70 potency and stuns and silences enemy for 3 seconds. 20 second cooldown.
Lv. 15 Bizen Boat: Deals ranged magic damage from afar with potency of 120 on GCD. If critical, samurai enters counter stance until attacked or until 10 seconds expire. 130 TP
Lv. 18 Cherry Blossom: Deals damage equal to 1/2 of strength plus intelligence and distributes the damage dealt to the party back as TP. Rounds TP to nearest multiple of 10. 60 second cooldown.
Lv. 22 Heaven's Cloud: Every auto attack and counterattack decreases damage taken by 3% for 20 seconds. 120 second cooldown.
Lv. 26 Meatbone Slash: Inflicts a Dot with initial potency of 150 that lasts 15 seconds and ticks for 25. On GCD. If a DoT crits, samurai enters counter stance. Increases enmity. 90 TP.
Lv. 30 Chirijiraden: An instant attack on GCD that hits for 100 potency and increases enmity. On GCD. Combos off of Fang for 270 potency. Combo Bonus: If critical, samurai will double counter next attack. 60 TP.
Lv. 34 Reverse Grip: Increases parry rate and enters counter stance until cooldown expires. If counter stance is activated another way while under this effect, the potency of a counterattack will increase by 10. Lasts 20 seconds. 120 second cooldown.
Lv. 38 Kikuichimoji: Available after countering an attack. Deals 190 potency and increases enmity. Decreases damage taken by 15%. Lasts 8 seconds. If damage dealt is critical, effect increases for 5 more seconds. 160 TP.
Lv.42 Purity Channeling: Turns incoming damage (all damage taken for next 5 seconds) into a dot. DoT lasts 30 seconds, and can be esunad/leeched if samurai is in counter stance. 150 second cooldown.
Lv. 46 Northern Slash: Combos off of Meatbone Slash to deal 130 potency. When attacking the enemy, 3% of Hp is restored for every DoT on the enemy. This makes samurai unable to counter for 10 seconds, but after dealing damage the enemy will take 3% more damage for each DoT until samurai can counter again. On GCD but has 5 second cast. DoTs taken into effect are the oldest four and Meatbone Slash. Costs MP.
Lv 50. Hellish Slash: Combos off of Meatbone Slash to deal 10 potency. When attacking the enemy, all DoTs on it explode for burst damage equaling the remaining damage dealt on each dot. This makes Samurai unable to use weaponskills for 6 seconds. For each dot the enemy had, enemy deals 5% less damage until samurai uses a weaponskill. DoTs taken into effect are the oldest four plus Meatbone slash. DoTs continue to tick after effect. On GCD but has a 5 second cast. Costs MP.
Lv. 54. Kiyomori: Increases defense and magic defense by 15% and increases parry rate by 15% for 20 seconds. 180 second cooldown. Counters deal 1.25x the damage while under cooldown.
Lv. 58. Muramasa: Deals damage with potency of 100. Increased enmity gain. On GCD. Debuffs enemy so that it has an extra 10% chance of being hit with a critical strike. Effect lasts 12 seconds. 120 TP.

Samurai Job abilities:
Lv. 30. Honor Stance: Increases enmity gained by all abilities and reduces auto attack damage to half while reducing weaponskill damage by 10%. Counterattacks reduce damage taken by the ability that was countered by 25% (stacks with Red Sky and Heaven's Cloud). Parry Rate is increased by 15%, and magic can be parried. Critical Counters mean damage dealt by the attack being countered is 33% (still stacks).

Lv. 35. Osoto Gari: Binds self and enemy, while increasing enmity, and increases counterattack damage by 50%. If a counter is activated, samurai gains 20% defense and magic defense for 12 seconds. Lasts 6 seconds. Range is long and has draw-in effect. 120 second cooldown.

Lv. 40. Masamune: Increases auto-attack speed by 15%. Counter attacks increase healing received by 5%, stacking up to 30%. Lasts 15 seconds, but each counter reapplies the healing buff, and ONLY the healing buff until the threshold is reached. 180 second cooldown.

Lv. 45. Free Lunch: The entire party gets a free action (no TP/MP) cost. Resets Masamune cooldown. 5 second cast. Costs 1/3rd of MP. 240 second cooldown.

Lv. 50. Shin Zantetsuken: Conal AoE which stops all enemies for one second (DOES NOT INTERRUPT CASTS/ROTATIONS. It only delays their effect). Deals damage with 120 potency. Costs 1/2 MP. Chance to kill mobs/adds with hp < 10%. Increases enmity. Places Samurai in counter stance until attacked or until 5 seconds expire.

Lv. 55. Oni Stance: Increases damage dealt by 10% but increases TP and MP cost slightly (everything plus 10 TP and 5% MP). Can not be used with Honor Stance.

Lv. 60. Shirahadori: Evades the next 2 attacks while retaining counterattack stance. Does not work with certain abilities. Cannot do anything until after counter except move. Magic can be evaded. 240 second cooldown.

Traits:
Lv. 8. Increased Vitality I: increases vitality by 2.
Lv. 14. Fire Sky: reduces cooldown of Red Sky to 30 seconds.
Lv. 16. Increased Vitality II: increases vitality by 4.
Lv. 20. Million Faces: Increases critical hit rate by 1%.
Lv. 24. Increased Vitality III: increases vitality by 6.
Lv. 28. Unbroken Mirror: HP percentage needed to activate Mirror of Equity increases to 25%.
Lv. 32. Mind's Eye: Reduces cooldown of Third Eye to 90 seconds.
Lv. 36. Bone Crusher: Increases critical hit rate of Meatbone Slash DoTs by 20%.
Lv. 40. Infinite Faces: Increases critical hit rate by another 1%.
Lv. 44. Seal Evil: increases duration of Eclipse to 6 seconds.
Lv. 48. Balance: decreases TP cost of Kikuichimoji to 130.
Lv. 52. White Moon: decreases cooldown of Purity Channeling to 120 seconds.
Lv. 56. Relentlessness: All counters have a 3% chance of being double counters.
Lv. 60. Attunement: decreases cooldown of Kiyomori to 150 seconds.

Very detailed!

Feels like it might need balancing, but I always love seeing players imaginations at work.
/highfive

10/10 would play this class based on the cool sounding abilities and imagining what those animations might sound like.

Too bad it will be a dps.

"In a corner praying."

Care to give me some more thoughts about the balancing? I am a dungeon master and wanna use something like this for an RPG I might play with friends down the road :3 just a few details would be nice :3

So far the biggest issue I think is keeping aggro on multiple enemies. There are not many choices but I think Koutetsu is strong enough. Lastly, there is the fact that it's RNG heavy but at least there are many ways to manipulate it in your favor.

Later on I will try to organize the OP because it is hard to read I'm sure

This is semi-related, but why is everyone so obsessed with getting Samurai so soon in the game's lifespan? I mean, I could be wrong and SE could introduce new combat classes along with new jobs in 3.0 (we'll find out Saturday, after all), but what has led to this almost uniform uprising for wanting Samurai? I'm kinda confused.

...and I'm not asking out of spite or anything like that. It's a legitimate question. I have seen absolutely nothing that hints at a Samurai job specifically other than wild speculation that, just because Ninja is coming, Samurai must also be coming. Which isn't necessarily true as, other than being "Far East" jobs (like Monk, technically), they aren't all that related.

During the fanfest, in the music folder, there was a folder called Samurai. Speculation ensued.


Also I just really want samurai.

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

During the fanfest, in the music folder, there was a folder called Samurai. Speculation ensued.


Also I just really want samurai.

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Fair enough.

I'm in the camp that says Templars (essentially Holy Dragoons) will be the new Tank Job. I mean, we're going to Ishgard, Ishgard is a Theocracy, and a ton of their soldiers use spears. So from that standpoint it'd kinda make sense.

But from that logic, I suppose Samurai could be possible, though absolutely not with the classes we have now, so they would indeed have to introduce a Ronin class or something. Not that I don't want a Samurai job. On the contrary, since the leader of my RP FC is very much trying to be a Samurai from the Far East, yet he has to play a Paladin because gameplay reasons.

Here's one I made a few months back based upon the Hybrid role that will come with Dark Knight.

So far abilities range up to LV 50 but I'll add up to 60 shortly.

Samurai

Primary Stat: STR, DEX (Yes, Melee, and Ranged. It is a Hybrid.)
Main Weapon: Dai Katana (Great Katana)
Weapon Alignment: Slashing, Piercing

Off-Hand/Secondary Weapon:
Weapon Alignment: (Example: Slashing, Piercing... and so on.)
Gear: (Melee, Ranged, Caster... and so on.)

Strengths: Example: High Evasion. Very high attack power.
Weaknesses: Example: Low Vitality. Is resistant to healing. Attack power is mostly depending on charging the abilities. Drains TP at an insane rate. Cannot move while charging an ability. Pick your slices and stabbings carefully.

Stances/Other main mechanics:
If not needed, remove this.

Example:

Stance: Gedan No Kamae (Earthen Stance)
Cast: Instant
Recast: 3s
Effect: Increases Parrying rate by 25%.
Acquired: Lv. 1 (When the Action/Skill was acquired.)
Affinity: SAM (Whom else can learn it through cross-class skills.)

Actions/Skills:
Example:
Name: Tachi: Enpi
Alignment: Piercing
Cast: Chargeable (New: Hold down button to charge, let go to attack.) - Instant to 3 seconds. - (The moment you let go of the button is when the recast timer starts ticking.)
Recast: 3.5s
Range: 5y - Radius: 0y - Melee
TP Cost: 80
Info: Can only be used while in Gedan No Kamae stance. Delivers an attack with a base potency of 90.
Bonus(es): If executed from the side, this attack increases critical hit chance by 40% has a 40% chance to reduce Piercing resistance to the opponent by 13% for a duration of 13s.
Effect(s): When charged-up, delivers an attack with a potency of 190, or 300. Increases movement speed by 10%.
Duration: 15s
Latent Effects: Has a 3% chance to double-attack.
Acquired: Lv. 1
Affinity: SAM

Name: Cloud Shaper (Vertical Slash)
Alignment: Slashing
Cast: Chargeable - Instant to 3 seconds. (The moment you let go of the button is when the recast timer starts ticking.)
Recast: 3.5s
Range: 10-20y - Radius: 10y (Line) - Ranged
TP Cost: 100
Info: Delivers an Area of Effect attack with a potency of 70, 95, or 120.
Additional Effect(s): When fully charged; reduces opponent's resistance to Slashing and Piercing damage by 8%.
Acquired: Lv. 3
Affinity: SAM, WAR

Name: Mist Thrust
Alignment: Piercing, Water
Cast: Instant
Recast: 3.5s
Range: 5y - Radius: 0y - Melee
TP Cost: 50
Info: Delivers an attack with a potency of 110.
Effects: Inflicts "Mist" on the opponent.*
Duration: 15s
Acquired: Lv. 6
Affinity: SAM

*A hazy Mist surrounds the opponent, lowering Accuracy by 7%.

Name: Solidify and Unveil
Cast: Instant
Recast: 2m20s
Range: 0 - Radius: 7y (Small Circle) - Melee, Ranged
Info: Only when playing Solo: Increases Defense by 20%. Prevents usage of Judan No Kamae for the duration.
Only when in a Party: Increases own Physical damage by 5%. Increases Main Stat for all Party members by +1% for each debuff currently affecting the opponent(s) for a maximum of 3 debuffs (+3%). Cannot stack with other "Solidify and Unveil".
Duration: 30s
Acquired: Lv. 8
Affinity: SAM

Name: Tachi: Goten
Alignment: Slashing, Earth
Cast: Instant
Recast: 45s (Is not part of the Global Cooldown.)
Range: 5y - Radius: 0y - Melee
TP Cost: 90
Info: Can only be used after "Mist Thrust". Delivers an attack with a potency of 180.
Additional Effect: If reset by Tachi: Raijinken, then this attack can be performed without the need of performing "Mist Thrust" first.
Acquired: Lv. 13
Affinity: SAM, NIN

*NIN, of course, does not need to do "Mist Thrust" first... obviously.

Name: Slashing the Horizon
Alignment: Slashing, Wind
Cast: Chargeable - 2s-4s (NOT instant.)
Recast: 3.5s
Range: 6-20y - Radius: 5y (Distant Flaming Arrow-wide Circle that expands while charging for up to a radius of 8y.) - Ranged
TP Cost: 150-250
Info: Delivers an Area of Effect Slashing attack with a potency of 180, 220, or 260 potency depending on charge.
Additional Effects: If 3 or more opponents are within the hitable area, this attack costs 150 TP. If less opponents than 3 is within the hitable area, this attack costs 250 TP.
Acquired: Lv. 20
Affinity: SAM

Name: Mist and Shadow
Cast: Instant
Recast: 13m
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Temporarily turns you untargetable to all attacks including Area of Effect attacks and erases all DoTs currently affecting you. Does not work against instant-death moves. Lowers Enmity by 30%.
Duration: 15s
Acquired: Lv. 25
Affinity: SAM, NIN

Stance: Judan No Kamae (Fire Stance)
Cast: Instant
Recast: 3s
Effect: Increases Slashing Damage dealt by 20%. Increases damage taken by 25%. Increases innate healing magic resistance to self by 10%.
Acquired: Lv. 28
Affinity: SAM

Name: Burning Skysplitter
Alignment: Slashing, Fire
Cast: Chargeable - 3s-5s (NOT instant.)
Recast: 10s
Range: 10-20y - Radius: 10y (Line in front of you) - Ranged
TP Cost: 300
Info: Can only be performed while in Judan No Kamae stance after Cloud Shaper (Max Charge). Delivers an AoE attack with a potency of 230, 285, or 320, depending on charge.
Additional Effect: When fully charged; Inflicts Burn which ticks for a potency of 110.
Duration: 9s
Acquired: Lv. 28
Affinity: SAM

Name: Ward of a Samurai
Cast: Rhythmic (Must be timed with the fully charged hit of Burning Skysplitter.)
Recast: 10s
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
TP Cost: 80
Info: Cancels the Burn effect on the opponent(s) and converts the amount of Burn stacks into 11%, 15%, 19%, or 23% of the total damage dealt by Burning Skysplitter into HP. The amount is not affected by the innate resistance to healing or alignments decreasing healing potency.
Acquired: Lv. 32
Affinity: SAM

Name: Ward of an Emperor
Cast: Rhythmic (Must be timed with the hit of Burning Skysplitter.)
Recast: 2m30s
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Solo: Recovers 380 TP.
Additional Effects: If in a Party: Recovers 100 TP to self, 100 TP and 8% MP to all Party members.
Acquired: Lv. 39
Affinity: SAM

Name: Sorrow Throughout The Nine Worlds
Cast: Instant
Recast: 1h
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Rapidly reduces HP to 0. Rapidly Increases Physical damage dealt for up to 200%. Increases Physical damage taken by 299%. Rapidly Increases Enmity gained for up to 500%.
Duration: 7s
Additional Effects: Upon death, grants 1 stack of Sorrow.
Acquired: Lv. 39
Affinity: SAM

Stacks of Sorrow:
A Samurai can have anywhere from 0 to 5 stacks of Sorrow.
They carry on through deaths and are only granted when under 65% HP, or when TP is below 200.
Has a curse called "Erase" which removes the stacks after 1 hour which starts to tick after you got your first stack. They are pretty hard to get, which is the idea.
If you get them however...

Name: Forging a Legend
Cast: Instant
Recast: 2m
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Costs 1 stack of Sorrow. Increases Defense by 45% and Evasion by 45% to self. Increases Enmity gained by 10% per attack dealt when Forging a Legend is active.
Additional Effect: Increases Slashing and Piercing resistance by 5% to all Party members.
Latent Effect: Grants Dragoons the ability to play the game properly.
Duration: 12s
Party Duration: 45s
Acquired: Lv. 39
Affinity: SAM

Name: Tachi: Jinpu
Alignment: Slashing, Wind
Cast: Instant
Recast: 30s (Is not part of the Global Cooldown.)
Range: 6-20y - Radius: 3y (Distant Small Circle) - Ranged
TP Cost: The TP Cost is 33% of the current TP available, cannot be below 140.
Info: Delivers an attack with a potency 50% that of the current TP. Cannot be lower than a potency of 120, cannot be higher than a potency of 370.
Example: Current TP = 1000, TP Cost = 33% = 330, Potency = 500 (370). (1000 / 50% = 500 (370))
Example II: Current TP = 300, TP Cost = 33% = 99 (140), Potency = 150. (300 / 50% = 150)
Example III: Current TP = 140, TP Cost = 33% = 46 (140), Potency = 120. (140 / 50% = 70 (120))
Acquired: Lv. 42
Affinity: SAM

Name: When a Thousand Skies Shatter
Alignment: Slashing, Fire, Wind
Cast: Rhythmic (Must be timed with the hit of Burning Skysplitter.)
Recast: 10s
Range: 10-20y - Radius: 10y (Line) - Ranged
TP Cost: 300
Info: Delivers an AoE attack with a potency of 390 to all opponents. Has a 8% chance to grant one stack of Sorrow from each opponent killed by "When a Thousand Skies Shatter" if the opponent is in the same level-range, and if SAM HP is less than 65%.
Acquired: Lv. 49
Affinity: SAM

Stance: Renge No Kamae (Lotus Stance)
Cast: Instant
Recast: 13min
Duration: 15s
Info: Can only be used when HP is less than 30%. Costs 2 stacks of Sorrow.
Effect: Auto-attacks have a 4% chance to cause Stun to the opponent, even if immune. The duration of the Stun depends on how much TP is left.
0-300 - 1s, 300-600 - 3s, 600-1000 - 4s.
Auto-attack cooldown is reduced to 0.65s. 5% of Physical damage dealt by each strike is converted to own HP.
Acquired: Lv. 50
Affinity: SAM

Name: Tachi: Raijinken (Lightning Blade)
Cast: Chargeable - 4.5s
Alignment: Slashing, Lightning
Recast: 12m
Range: 5y - Radius: 0y - Melee
Info: Costs 3 stacks of Sorrow. Delivers an attack with a potency of 1800.
Additional Effect: Grants Enlightning which adds an additional 30 potency of Lightning damage to all attacks.
Duration: 4m
Acquired: Lv. 50
Affinity: SAM

Name: Rebirth of a Legend
Cast: Instant
Recast: 6hours
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Solo: Raises you from Death with 100% HP and with 3 stacks of Sorrow. Inflicts "Deep Wounds" which reduces Max HP to 30% of the non-weakened Max value.
In a Party: Raises you from Death with 100% HP and with 3 stacks of Sorrow. Inflicts "Deep Wounds" which reduces max HP to 30% of the non-weakened Max value. Cannot be used if you are the last to die.
Latent Effect: Solo: Reduces the duration of Deep Wounds from 45s to 30s.
Latent Effect: Party: Increases one Limit Break gauge by 30%.
Acquired: Lv. 50
Affinity: SAM

Name: Inner Calm
Cast: Instant
Recast: 3m30s
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Restores 300 TP.
Additional effect: You are now "Pacified" and unable to attack.
Duration: 3s
Acquired: Lv. 55
Affinity: SAM

Name: Consumed by the Well of Sorrows
Cast: Chargeable - Instant - 4 seconds
Alignment: Slashing, Water
Recast: 5m
Range: 6y - Radius: 0y
Info: Delivers an attack with a base potency of 80.
The targeted enemy is now "Pacified" for a duration of 9 seconds, and "Heavied" for a duration of 9 seconds.
When charged, this attack has a potency of 190 (2s), 295 (3s), or 385 (4s).
Latent effect: Has a 3% chance to double-attack with the same charge power the first attack had.
Acquired: Lv. 59
Affinity: SAM

Traits:

Born for the Blade
Info: Innate healing magic resistance. All healing magic heals for 66% less.
Acquired: Lv. 1

Enhanced Strength
Info: Increases Strength by 2.
Acquired: Lv. 8

Enhanced Dexterity
Info: Increases Evasion by 2.
Acquired: Lv. 8

Enhanced Gedan No Kamae
Info: Parry rate now goes up to 30%.
Acquired: Lv. 14

Enhanced Strength II
Info: Increases Strength by 4.
Acquired: Lv. 16

Enhanced Dexterity II
Info: Increases Evasion by 4.
Acquired: Lv. 16

You Mist Me
Info: Improves the effect of "Mist", lowering Accuracy of the opponent by 10%.
Acquired: Lv. 20

You Mist Me, Again!
Info: Improves the effect of "Mist", lowering Accuracy of the opponent by 12%.
Acquired: Lv. 24

Enhanced Strength III
Info: Increases Evasion by 6.
Acquired: Lv. 28

Enhanced Dexterity III
Info: Increases Evasion by 6.
Acquired: Lv. 28

Enhanced Tachi: Goten
Info: Tachi: Goten now has a 20% chance of recovering 100 TP to self.
Acquired: Lv. 32

Storm Shaper
Info: Cloud Shaper now has a 10% chance to deal an additional 80 potency of Lightning damage.
Acquired: Lv. 36

...And Soon The World Will Cease To Be
Info: Sorrow Throughout The Nine Worlds now has an increased duration by +2s (9s). Decreases the Increase of damage taken by 100%.
Acquired: Lv. 40

Ripping The Sky Asunder
Info: Tachi: Jinpu now grants Enaero which causes all attacks to deal an additional 30 potency of Wind damage. Can be stacked with Enfire and Enlightning. Additionally, each stack of Sorrow now grants +3% chance of that incoming healing magic ignores the innate healing magic resistance. (Does not ignore non-innate healing magic resistance.)
Duration: 18s.
Acquired: Lv. 44

Awakened to a Blood-red Rising Sun
Info: When a Thousand Skies Shatter now grants Enfire to all attacks, dealing an additional 30 potency of Fire damage. Can be stacked with Enaero and Enlightning. Has a 10% chance of resetting Tachi: Jinpu. Has a 10% chance of resetting Tachi: Goten.
If reset, Tachi: Goten and Tachi: Jinpu recovers 110 TP after being executed. Includes the 20% chance of Tachi: Goten recovering 100 TP.
Duration: 30s
Acquired: Lv. 50

Enhanced Strength IV
Info: Increases Evasion by 8.
Acquired: Lv. 54

Enhanced Dexterity IV
Info: Increases Evasion by 8.
Acquired: Lv. 58
Cross-class Abilities/Skills:

Blood For Blood, Bloodbath, Foresight, Featherfoot, Convalescence.

Limit Breaks:

Shatter the Moon
Info: Delivers an attack with a potency of 1700, inflicts Poison on the target with a potency of 50 per tick.
Duration: 2m30s
Range: 5y Radius 0y - Melee

Shatter the Sun
Info: Grants 1 stack of Sorrow to all nearby (Radius: 25y) Samurais, including self. Delivers an attack with a potency of 4500.
Range: 5y Radius 0y - Melee

Zanmato
Info: Delivers an attack with a potency of 8000. If 4 or more stacks of Sorrow has been gathered, this attack has a potency of 11500.
Removes all stacks of Sorrow if 4 or more stacks had been gained.
Range: 8-15y Radius: 0y - Ranged, Homing.

Holy cow that's really good compared to mine

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Holy cow that's really good compared to mine

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Going to assume you're being humble. Yours fits a lot better thematically, doesn't break the entire battle system's design, and isn't overpowered as all hell.

Well what I meant was that yours is just so detailed and out there, and sounds super fun. I approached the creation of mine with ffxiv battle system in mind, and you approached it with SAMURAI in mind.

For those wondering, ability names for mine come from past Final Fantasy names

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Originally Posted by Altijacek

Well what I meant was that yours is just so detailed and out there, and sounds super fun. I approached the creation of mine with ffxiv battle system in mind, and you approached it with SAMURAI in mind.

For those wondering, ability names for mine come from past Final Fantasy names

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But... but I didn't post mine! But I understand you meant the other person. :P

I do agree with that other post, yours could use a bit of balance adjustments. I'm sorry to say I'm not in the mood to thoroughly look into offering balance suggestions myself. I'm not even willing to detail my own idea for Samurai, which is a tank as well.

I do like that you used a lot of names from past FF games. Some of them I would have probably used a different name for. One that stood out is that I don't really like the Bravely Default ability names. But they're just names, not too important.

Overall, it's good.

OH sorry didn't realize poster names lol but thanks so much for the input anyways :3

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Holy cow that's really good compared to mine

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Well, let's not compare. Mine is based upon the Hybrid job, yours is based upon the tank job. They are very different.

I made mine with the intent of forcing the player to move, A LOT. Having to move from melee range to distant range and having to charge the abilities in order to keep the dps going and actually dealing enough damage to be worth a damn. Thanks for the compliment however. I like yours as well. :3

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

doesn't break the entire battle system's design, and isn't overpowered as all hell.

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I'm all ears.

You call it a melee and ranged hybrid with high attack power and low vitality, but it has high evasion and high parry and the ability to heal itself, largely countering its drawback.

It has very strong debilitating effects.

It can restore 100 TP and 18% MP to the party every 2.5 minutes. Compare to Shroud of Saints, which currently restores about 1000 MP, a bit less than 25% (and it's not a %), to the WHM's MP (and nobody else's) every 2 minutes. Also steps on BRD's toes.

It has some powerful abilities with 15 minute and 1 hour recast times. The game is balanced around 5 minute recasts.

It can give Dragoons the ability to play well. That alone breaks the game.

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It can give Dragoons the ability to play well. That alone breaks the game.

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Dang, that IS broken! Dragoons aren't supposed to play well!

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Originally Posted by MomomiMomi

You call it a melee and ranged hybrid with high attack power and low vitality, but it has high evasion and high parry and the ability to heal itself, largely countering its drawback.

It has very strong debilitating effects.

It can restore 100 TP and 18% MP to the party every 2.5 minutes. Compare to Shroud of Saints, which currently restores about 1000 MP, a bit less than 25% (and it's not a %), to the WHM's MP (and nobody else's) every 2 minutes. Also steps on BRD's toes.

It has some powerful abilities with 15 minute and 1 hour recast times. The game is balanced around 5 minute recasts.

It can give Dragoons the ability to play well. That alone breaks the game.

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Hahaha! That DRG joke. ^-^ Well... I guess I can adjust a thing or two. :p

Just want to point out that in order to get those 18% (now 8%) MP is decently expensive (300 TP).
The self-heal costs 2 stacks of sorrow, which is something you don't have every day and should be careful with once your timer starts to tick.
The heal from canceling the Burn is something that you may not want to do, based upon how many stacks there is, and concerning how much damage you lose from canceling it.
The innate healing resistance also reduces the percentage unless mentioned otherwise. :3

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The reason for the long timers is due to just that, the moves are so good that they should require a long cooldown.
The parry is merely effective in Earth Stance, and the job itself is demanding to be played in Fire stance, or you will lose 20% damage/slash.
However, you are forced to revisit Earth Stance for the movement speed buff to get to places faster and keeping your dps going.

A counter-based Avoidance Tank is very nice. I like your class overall but it needs some adjusting.

A few notes though:
-I would like to know more about the Counter-Stances that some of the skills give. How long do they last? Are they like a buff? Are they the same or does each attack have a different stance that can add to the others? Do stances reduce damage done?
- Mirror of Equality has a bit too much going on, it's a kind of like a Rampart with Second Wind built in that also attacks a foe for 250 potency and you get it at level 8! I get that you tried to balance it with the 20% HP limitation but then you're counting on the player to not have a healer there to cap them. It's either going to be too good or under used.
- Reverse Grip's Counter Stance stays up til the cooldown is done? That's an 120 seconds then just hitting the button again. That would make all the other ways to go into counter stance redundant then. >A>
- Purity Channeling, if I'm reading this correctly, turns an enemies attack into a DoT on the Ronin which can then be removed by a healer when they are in a counter stance? I don't mind the idea but the fact that it's cleanse-able is kind of broken. Also, how is the DoT's Potency determines? Does it just spread the damage over a period of time equally?
- Chirijiraden's comboing Potency is way to strong at 290, not even the DPS can reach that Potency, the only thing that can be higher is PLD's Spirits Within, when their HP is full and that has limited use because it's their Silence move. MRD only get's Storm's Eye at 50 and that's only 270 when comboed. And it also doubles their next counter's damage?!
- Hellish Slash is not very team-friendly. You're removing all you're team's DoTs, which I sure for a SMN, would be excruciating. Maybe if this class/job focused more on DoTs and this only effected DoTs placed by the user I could see some use but as it is, it lowers the whole teams DPS.
- Kiyomori is like a Foresight on steroids plus Parrying and increase to Counter Damage.
- Muramasa is extremely underwhelming compared to other skills.
- Free Lunch is a smidge too OP. Maybe if it just effected the user for an extended period versus a one use.
- A lot of your skills say that they decrease damage taken but no for how long.
- I would also recommend a skill that increases your odds of Criting. I'm sure you're probably thinking of adding PUG as a cross-class and getting Internal Release but I think Ronin or Samurai having their own to stack with it would be healthier especially considering you're main tanking tool comes from landing Crits.
- For utility purposes, I would have two separate skills for stun and silence.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

The reason for the long timers is due to just that, the moves are so good that they should require a long cooldown.

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I realize this part, hence me saying it breaks the battle system's design. Our strongest abilities are on 5 minute recasts. Our battles are generally 5-10 minute ordeals. Making these powerful abilities with super long recasts does two things:

1. Gives you an ability that is far too powerful for any given encounter.

2. Puts you on the bench until they're ready to be used again.

It doesn't fit into the game's design at all, and it'd honestly be a terrible design choice to include them. There's a reason they got rid of the "two hours" of FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Zanmato

Here's one I made a few months back based upon the Hybrid role that will come with Dark Knight.

So far abilities range up to LV 50 but I'll add up to 60 shortly.

Samurai

Primary Stat: STR, DEX (Yes, Melee, and Ranged. It is a Hybrid.)
Main Weapon: Dai Katana (Great Katana)
Weapon Alignment: Slashing, Piercing

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Hybrid doesn't necessarily mean two-stats but more so two different roles. I'll assume it's a DPS. Skills are based not on their stat but on the attack power. They had this back in 1.X where Monk was STR/INT and was terrible because your melee attacks suffered from less STR and your magic attacks suffered from less INT. So it was changed to just be STR/DEX = attack power for all skills. So splitting them up is a step backwards.

I don't understand why it's great katana either. What happened to normal katanas? Ninja use daggers/tantō, why not just give them katana?

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Off-Hand/Secondary Weapon:
Weapon Alignment: (Example: Slashing, Piercing... and so on.)
Gear: (Melee, Ranged, Caster... and so on.)

Strengths: Example: High Evasion. Very high attack power.
Weaknesses: Example: Low Vitality. Is resistant to healing. Attack power is mostly depending on charging the abilities. Drains TP at an insane rate. Cannot move while charging an ability. Pick your slices and stabbings carefully.

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I don't know why a DPS class would need high evasion since it's not tanking. If you are the tank, then your primary stats should change to reflect what current tanks use.

I notice you allow jobs to use skills;

Cloud Shaper (WAR) - Worthless since it changes the dynamic of WAR into the same as your SAM, which is a charge class
Tachi: Goten (NIN).- Would have been okay if you didn't have the fact that it's impossible to use without having Mist Thrust as a pre-requisite.
Mist and Shadow (NIN) Basically Hallowed Ground for a DPS..and it's cross-classable? Straight up overpowered.
Forging A Legend (WAR) Due to the fact that Sorrow is only something Samurai can get, this is unusable by Warrior.

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*omitted skills*

Name: Solidify and Unveil
Cast: Instant
Recast: 2m20s
Range: 0 - Radius: 7y (Small Circle) - Melee, Ranged
Info: Only when playing Solo: Increases Defense by 20%. Prevents usage of Judan No Kamae for the duration.
Only when in a Party: Increases own Physical damage by 5%. Increases Main Stat for all Party members by +1% for each debuff currently affecting the opponent(s) for a maximum of 5 debuffs (+5%). Cannot stack with other "Solidify and Unveil".
Duration: 30s
Acquired: Lv. 8
Affinity: SAM

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Basically everyone gets +5% stats all the time given that almost every DPS class puts debuffs onto the boss. If you meant only Samurai's debuffs, balancing content to make it so that a party without a Samurai is at a massive disadvantage would be a nightmare.

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Name: Slashing the Horizon
Alignment: Slashing, Wind
Cast: Chargeable - 2s-4s (NOT instant.)
Recast: 3.5s
Range: 6-20y - Radius: 5y (Distant Flaming Arrow-wide Circle that expands while charging for up to a radius of 8y.) - Ranged
TP Cost: 150-250
Info: Delivers an Area of Effect Slashing attack with a potency of 180, 220, or 260 potency depending on charge.
Additional Effects: If 3 or more opponents are within the hitable area, this attack costs 150 TP. If less opponents than 3 is within the hitable area, this attack costs 250 TP.
Acquired: Lv. 20
Affinity: SAM

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I'm not sure why there is a detriment for hitting less enemies. It basically always has to check if enemies are being hit. There is not really many tactical use in this skill. What if it was 3 enemies and one dies before you finish charge? You just wasted TP for no reason other than, "too bad, so sad, deal with it"

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Name: Mist and Shadow
Cast: Instant
Recast: 13m
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Temporarily turns you untargetable to all attacks including Area of Effect attacks and erases all DoTs currently affecting you. Does not work against instant-death moves. Lowers Enmity by 30%.
Duration: 15s
Acquired: Lv. 25
Affinity: SAM, NIN

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Overpowered. Near invincibility for two DPS classes while giving them a super esuna?

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Stance: Judan No Kamae (Fire Stance)
Cast: Instant
Recast: 3s
Effect: Increases Slashing Damage dealt by 20%. Increases damage taken by 25%. Increases innate healing magic resistance to self by 10%.
Acquired: Lv. 28
Affinity: SAM

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A permanent Blood for Blood? I don't think this is a very balanced skill especially since it lowers incoming healing. As a DPS, this skill is too strong for the fact that it's a 100% uptime DPS buff. As a tank, lowering healing received is ludicrous.

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Name: Ward of a Samurai
Cast: Rhythmic (Must be timed with the fully charged hit of Burning Skysplitter.)
Recast: 10s
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
TP Cost: 80
Info: Cancels the Burn effect on the opponent(s) and converts the amount of Burn stacks into 11%, 15%, 19%, or 23% of the total damage dealt by Burning Skysplitter into HP. The amount is not affected by the innate resistance to healing or alignments decreasing healing potency.
Acquired: Lv. 32
Affinity: SAM

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A weird healing skill which is significantly stronger than Bloodbath.

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Name: Sorrow Throughout The Nine Worlds
Cast: Instant
Recast: 1h
Range: 0y - Radius: 0y
Info: Rapidly reduces HP to 0. Rapidly Increases Physical damage dealt for up to 200%. Increases Physical damage taken by 299%. Rapidly Increases Enmity gained for up to 500%.
Duration: 7s
Additional Effects: Upon death, grants 1 stack of Sorrow.
Acquired: Lv. 39
Affinity: SAM

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A near godlike DPS buff, if you couple this with Mist and Shadow, you can massive DPS if the healers can keep you alive for those 15s. Needs a massive nerf.

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They are all imbalanced. Not a single one is reasonable, especially the one that has a potency of 1800.

I will say though, Zanmato: I think your job sounds like a fun job to play. It's just not something that would fit into the current design. I also feel like it sounds more like a Dark Knight with Samurai names wrapped into it.

Hi, responses incoming

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Originally Posted by Mimilu

A counter-based Avoidance Tank is very nice. I like your class overall but it needs some adjusting.

A few notes though:
-I would like to know more about the Counter-Stances that some of the skills give. How long do they last? Are they like a buff? Are they the same or does each attack have a different stance that can add to the others? Do stances reduce damage done?


Counter Stance is a buff that lasts until you are hit physically or magically. All it does is deal low damage when hit. Think of it like having a vengeance buff, but without the vulnerability down buff. Being in Honor Stance decreases damage taken majorly ONLY when in counter stance. So a good samurai tank will cycle cooldowns and gcds appropriately so that they can be in counter stance more often than not.

- Mirror of Equality has a bit too much going on, it's a kind of like a Rampart with Second Wind built in that also attacks a foe for 250 potency and you get it at level 8! I get that you tried to balance it with the 20% HP limitation but then you're counting on the player to not have a healer there to cap them. It's either going to be too good or under used.

I like this skill a lot, and chose to have it at low level for soloing things. You're right in that it would be fairly useless with healers constantly keeping you up. Hopefully the trait alleviates that, but it's more of a solo/PVP skill than anything, but if it procs, why not use it! Maybe it can be balanced though, like lower damage/heal, or a TP cost, or longer cooldown, or a dodge rate of 30%. But the dodge rate only lasts for one attack anyways.

- Reverse Grip's Counter Stance stays up til the cooldown is done? That's an 120 seconds then just hitting the button again. That would make all the other ways to go into counter stance redundant then. >A>

thank you so much for pointing this out. The point was to make this kinda similar to Red Sky but stronger with a longer cooldown. However, with Red Sky cooldown so low, I'm gonna have to balance it so that these two will be cycled appropriately. Red Sky is too OP so I'll make sure to fix that.

- Purity Channeling, if I'm reading this correctly, turns an enemies attack into a DoT on the Ronin which can then be removed by a healer when they are in a counter stance? I don't mind the idea but the fact that it's cleanse-able is kind of broken. Also, how is the DoT's Potency determines? Does it just spread the damage over a period of time equally?

I was trying to be very careful not to make this skill broken, but I needed something similar to Hollowed Ground/Holmgang. If the Samurai takes a hit for 9000 damage, the damage is lowered to 6000, and spread evenly to a 30 second dot that can be cleansed only in counter stance. This gives something healers to look out for, because the samurai will take 6000 damage otherwise. I do realize this is pretty broken, so I'm seeing two fixes: don't reduce damage at all (still take 9000), or make the DoT last 10 seconds and therefore deal more damage with less ticks.

- Chirijiraden's comboing Potency is way to strong at 290, not even the DPS can reach that Potency, the only thing that can be higher is PLD's Spirits Within, when their HP is full and that has limited use because it's their Silence move. MRD only get's Storm's Eye at 50 and that's only 270 when comboed. And it also doubles their next counter's damage?!

thanks for catching this other typo: it should be 280. Still strong I'm sure, so perhaps it shall be reduced. But being in their tank stance they will deal low damage, and dragoons do have higher potency I believe. Counters are very weak attack, so a double counter would be akin to a critical auto-attack. Double countering is also meant to be used in conjunction with Heaven's Cloud.

- Hellish Slash is not very team-friendly. You're removing all you're team's DoTs, which I sure for a SMN, would be excruciating. Maybe if this class/job focused more on DoTs and this only effected DoTs placed by the user I could see some use but as it is, it lowers the whole teams DPS.

I am aware this skill is very strange for FFXIV. But I believe this game can use more team play then disembowling an enemy so that bard deals a bit more damage. This ability will not necessarily decrease DPS because all the damage the DoTs were going to do is dealt anyways, in a burst. Plus, it takes into account the oldest buffs, so it won't ruin the DPS rotation terribly. This skill is meant to be used as a team, and especially on adds that hit really hard. Imagine tanking melee snakes in t7. Get the DoTs up, burst this snake and take a lot less damage because of it. This will only work if the team works together.

- Kiyomori is like a Foresight on steroids plus Parrying and increase to Counter Damage.p

This is the scrub button, lol. For the players who want to play samurai more like a regular tank. Foresight increases defense by 20% and this only by 15% but it adds magic defense to that. So it only matters with good gear. The parry rate is just to help mitigate a bit, and the counter boost is really small. That said, it is a somewhat beefed up foresight. Maybe the duration of the ability should be reduced by 20 seconds.

- Muramasa is extremely underwhelming compared to other skills.

underwhelming? I was afraid this would be considered broken lol. Buffing the critical damage everyone deals from 1.5x a normal attack to 1.55x is fairly huge. Plus those extra heals will be very small, but very welcome. This is basically so that the samurai has more options juggling GCD as I feel the GCD abilities are a tiny bit limited. But if it's underwhelming I can buff it, or change it so that instead of higher crit damage, the enemy being debuffed has a 5% chance extra of being hit critically (allowing samurai and bard to get more procs).

- Free Lunch is a smidge too OP. Maybe if it just effected the user for an extended period versus a one use.

again, I'm going for "team strategies" over single player. That said, you might just be right. But the way it would work isn't really all that OP. Whatever spell is being cast or whatever weaponskill is about to be used, the TP/MP cost is just zero for that one and that's it. It's not like a party wide invigorate or shroud. And in a pinch it gets that samurai cooldown back up. Perhaps instead of a four minute cooldown it should be five?

- A lot of your skills say that they decrease damage taken but no for how long.

huh, I thought I detailed it enough. Since I'm on iPad, I will fix OP when I'm on a computer. Sorry about that.

- I would also recommend a skill that increases your odds of Criting. I'm sure you're probably thinking of adding PUG as a cross-class and getting Internal Release but I think Ronin or Samurai having their own to stack with it would be healthier especially considering you're main tanking tool comes from landing Crits.

definitely gotta make Muramasa offer a higher crit then. That's a better idea.

- For utility purposes, I would have two separate skills for stun and silence.

the point here is balancing with other classes. Paladin can stun lock but not stun Ogcd. Paladin can also silence separately. War can stun ogcd but obviously has cooldown. I was thinking that Samurai stun should also be a silence not because that would be overpowered, but because it means they have to use the ability with caution, and that is the drawback of the skill.

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I MUST clap. Very well done I must say. You show great patience by breaking all of this down.

I disagree with a lot of this, of course, and found some things you said very... well... not so smart, such as the Tachi: Goten NIN affinity which probably everyone would think that it wouldn't need the mist thrust ahead of being used, along with some other things, there are a few things I can agree with.

I personally don't find 1800 potency of damage for 3 sorrows to be overpowered at all. It is pretty difficult to get those stacks, which is the idea, and there should be a reward for it for doing so.

I however must bow for you for taking time to go through all of this, that is very impressive, and I liked your post.

Few things to point out tho.

"I don't understand why it's great katana either. What happened to normal katanas? Ninja use daggers/tantō, why not just give them katana?"

Oh, you know... something very annoying called PERSONAL PREFERENCE. :p

"A near godlike DPS buff, if you couple this with Mist and Shadow, you can massive DPS if the healers can keep you alive for those 15s. Needs a massive nerf."

The duration is 7 seconds, 9 seconds with trait. Sorrow Throughout The Nine Worlds is counted as an insta-death mechanic once timer reaches 0.
Also, 200% is double damage, and since it goes from 0% and increases rapidly up to 200%, you will deal 200% of damage for perhaps at maximum, the last 2 seconds.

"A permanent Blood for Blood? I don't think this is a very balanced skill especially since it lowers incoming healing. As a DPS, this skill is too strong for the fact that it's a 100% uptime DPS buff. As a tank, lowering healing received is ludicrous."

Yes, it is very high risk, high reward. The damage from this stance is what makes the job. The damage without this stance is significantly lower. The risk is that with as little health as the job has, and with this going at the same time, combined with the innate healing resistance, one wrong move can cause healers to go all out on trying to heal the SAM, causing them to lose a massive amount of MP due to the resistance, or perhaps even Benedictions due to it.

"Overpowered. Near invincibility for two DPS classes while giving them a super esuna?"

A panic button for when in a tight spot. - Remember tho that I do not know if NIN actually has low HP. I took it for granted, and still do.

"I'm not sure why there is a detriment for hitting less enemies. It basically always has to check if enemies are being hit. There is not really many tactical use in this skill. What if it was 3 enemies and one dies before you finish charge? You just wasted TP for no reason other than, "too bad, so sad, deal with it""

Yup, the description said "pick your slices and stabbings carefully", not all skills can have positives only. Sometimes you burn, sometimes you fly.

"Worthless since it changes the dynamic of WAR into the same as your SAM, which is a charge class"

It adds 1 move that is a charge move to the coss-class skills. Can't deal with it? Don't use it. Also, just because it would change the dynamic doesn't necessarily mean that it would be worthless. That's a logical fallacy from your side.

"Basically everyone gets +5% stats all the time given that almost every DPS class puts debuffs onto the boss. If you meant only Samurai's debuffs, balancing content to make it so that a party without a Samurai is at a massive disadvantage would be a nightmare."

Any debuffs on any mob for the duration of 30 seconds. I agree with you here. It is too good and I should either remove it or redo it, for fun. :3
Changed it to +3% maximum. Bring a SAM for a potential +3%! ^-^

"Forging A Legend (WAR) Due to the fact that Sorrow is only something Samurai can get, this is unusable by Warrior."

I missed this! Thank you. Will fix. :3 - Now fixed.

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I'm in the camp that says Templars (essentially Holy Dragoons) will be the new Tank Job. I mean, we're going to Ishgard, Ishgard is a Theocracy, and a ton of their soldiers use spears. So from that standpoint it'd kinda make sense.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see a Templar tank job eventually come out of the Lancer class.

That said, doing that won't be adding a new class, but a job on an existing one, and it was stated that a new tank class will be added to the expansion.

Updated opening post, bump!