Give Us Instanced Private Homes

Make it an option for those of us who don't want to be in a neighborhood mix-matched with FC Estates.

Give us a version which would really sort of be how it ought to have been implemented in the first place (at least, not a direct rip of FC Housing for barely less).

We can have our Chocobo roam around the field, our Private Gardens, a Minion of choice prance about the interior.

A secluded beach-house, enchanted forest-home, or cliffside condo.

Home sweet home.

Don't charge more than 1.5m on any server.

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Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida

Personal Housing

While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

In Summary

• Personal housing will be far more affordable than free company housing

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Lastly, increase or remove both the 1k Character Limit & Daily Post Limits!

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From TGS, (Which pretty much answers your question)

Q: I can’t buy a house! Yoshida, please do something!
A: I’d like to address this first since there are people saying plots are unavailable and prices are just too high. First off, I owe you an apology for my subpar explanation of why personal and Free Company housing cost the same amount. The prices were determined after extensively reviewing the game’s economy, and they won’t go higher than they are now.

Basically, the reason both personal and Free Company housing plots aren’t segregated is that because it’s been a year since our official launch, the rate at which Free Companies are established will gradually decrease. If the land for personal and Free Company housing was separate, we’d have to keep supplementing both in spite of declining demand for Free Company plots. Plus, when a Free Company is dissolved, its property is relinquished. On the other hand, individual players will continue to earn gil, so the demand for personal housing plots will only increase from now on. Separating the two would result in a situation where a player can’t purchase land in crowded personal housing areas or buy an empty plot in the Free Company areas. So, while I do understand that people want to buy a house right away, we have decided to proceed with a system that won’t keep players from building houses in the long run.

We’re planning on doubling the number of plots in Patch 2.4, and we’re aiming to add even more land in later updates. At the moment, though, we don’t have a good handle on how many players are trying to buy personal plots worldwide, so just sit tight─more is on the way.

Finally, I’ve seen a few posts on the forums saying housing would be better if it was instanced like inn rooms are, so I want to point out that instances aren’t saved. Nothing in an inn room needs to be saved; player housing, on the other hand, necessitates personal save data for things like furniture placement and character location. So, it would really amount to adding more land anyway. During a previous Letter from the Producer LIVE, I mentioned that we would make it possible for players who don’t belong to a Free Company to have a house with a yard so they can garden and raise chocobos, and the current system is designed to do this. We will be doing our best to provide more land as soon as possible, so please bear with us a little longer.

1) there's no reason they couldn't have said "whelp, we made a mistake" & slashed the prices.
2) especially given on record the lead director specifically mentioned it would be 'far more affordable'.
3) under my idea, neighbor personal homes would still exist for purchase.
4) there's technology to create 'saved instanced environments' for players, ARR would benefit from it.
5) maybe we can cash shop instanced homes... (lol, it's called a subscription fee).
6) maybe the cash shop should fund R&D so we can have the necessary tech.
7) still no excuse for straight copy-pasting free company housing.

The whole housing system is pretty disappointing. When I first head of housing, gardening and chocobo breeding I imagined something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWLaSp-n6k

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Originally Posted by Fenririon

The whole housing system is pretty disappointing. When I first head of housing, gardening and chocobo breeding I imagined something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wWLaSp-n6k

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OMG Yes.

See with actual, private property (with land), so much could be expanded upon with this idea.

Have our own Chocobo Barn (real Stables), room for rows of crops, a legitimate space to utilize those training dummies, etc.

Yards right now are so cramped & the houses push so close to the fence-line.

another day, another random toodles thread about a dead horse.

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Meh I still think SE could reconsider.

What I do think SE has to do and should have done ever since personal housing became available is restrict one property per account+server. I don't know about other servers but in Excalibur it was insane. The same day the patch came alive and personal housing was open, everyone got their house and their alts too! I know the main reason was gardening, since we still don't have land allotment yet and people want to grow their onions and jute but come on! I really don't find it fair besides the high pricing that we have to compete with alts...
Now it's a bit too late, even if they restrict one house/one account now (what about all those alts who have already a house?), but really SE, bad planning on this subject.

Beat it harder, Toodles! Because I want affordable housing too. And I don't wanna compete with a whole bunch of people logging in right after maintenance and buying up all the better housing spots while the rest of us are still stuck at the character lobby. =(

first comes, first serves

some resources are limited and ppl have to learn to deal with it

are ppl btw ignoring all of yoshis plausible statements?

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

first comes, first serves

some resources are limited and ppl have to learn to deal with it

are ppl btw ignoring all of yoshis plausible statements?

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SE has been citing server infrastructure limitations as a reason (frankly, it can be a reason when servers went live in ARR 2.0 launch, but it's starting to get old after 1 year) for many things the players have requested but can't have.

If SE refuses to fork out the money to upgrade their hardware, they should be the ones learning to deal with it. Not us.

I'm sure they did a lot with their servers since release and the introduction of new classes like ninja additional challenges them

in the end, even with server upgrades theres no space left for 1.5 mil small houses + gardens and chocobo stables and whatever you are currently dreaming about

Server limitations is a pretty lousy excuse to be honest. So sad to see ohter mmos, in a few cases even F2P ones, being able to offer better systems than we get. But I guess I would be willing to purchase a housing themed expansion pack or something to get acces to something closer to my initial expectations.

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Originally Posted by Toodles

We can have our Chocobo roam around the field, our Private Gardens, a Minion of choice prance about the interior.

A secluded beach-house, enchanted forest-home, or cliffside condo.

Home sweet home.

Don't charge more than 1.5m on any server.

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for a house with no more than 1,5m you ask a bit to much :D. And 1,5m is less than what I make / week (I am sorry for being lazy :< )

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Originally Posted by Fenririon

Server limitations is a pretty lousy excuse to be honest. So sad to see ohter mmos, in a few cases even F2P ones, being able to offer better systems than we get. But I guess I would be willing to purchase a housing themed expansion pack or something to get acces to something closer to my initial expectations.

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you should read the latest reddit interview, if you want some answers

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Originally Posted by Fenririon

Server limitations is a pretty lousy excuse to be honest. So sad to see ohter mmos, in a few cases even F2P ones, being able to offer better systems than we get. But I guess I would be willing to purchase a housing themed expansion pack or something to get acces to something closer to my initial expectations.

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If instanced personal housing really takes up that much extra server space, I would be willing to make a one-off purchase for it on the cash shop.

But it would have to have the same capacity as a large FC house re gardening and layout, contain an additional account-wide storage chest and be account-bound so that you could only have one per server, but all your characters on that server could access it.

But yeah, if other F2P MMOs can do it as a standard free feature, it's not unreasonable for us to expect it.

Finally, I don't buy the 'FC housing zones will become dead zones' reasoning (unless more are added). And if Yoshi-P is concerned about declining numbers of Free Companies, rather than accept it as inevitable, how about revisiting their original ideas and adding a bit more functionality to FCs/FC houses to make them effectively mandatory, despite personal housing? (eg perhaps you can only play Triple Triad at Gold Saucer or at FC houses)

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Originally Posted by ServerCollaps

you should read the latest reddit interview, if you want some answers

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Yeah, actually that Reddit interview is quite insightful about this problem. If every plot is updated/saved/written to disc every 15 seconds, the strain on the server is intense. There are ways to lower this (i.e. a "save my room changes" button, for example), but it breaks the immersion and introduces the risk of rollbacks upon disconnection. It also still doesn't solve the problem of gardening that is always running/updating even when players aren't there. Based on this model, it does seem like the only way to scale is just keep buying more and more servers to handle the demand, and that isn't something you want to rush out to do until you've optimized the heck out of what you have, because it's not only the cost of hardware, but the time of maintaining all that hardware (which is exasperated if you later go through and have to optimize/adjust all your servers -- hence why this maintenance is already taking 24 hours).

The only other way to do this would be to make a really "gimped" version of personal housing that doesn't actually run in real-time, but in simulated time. i.e. The house is frozen whenever you leave it, can only be accessed by friends when you're there too, and things like gardens only update when you re-enter the house by calculating the amount of time since you last visited. That way, it only has to do writes when the house is "in-use" and is dormant the rest of the time, allowing them to ramp up capacity much more easily. But, that's sort of an entirely different thing than what they have at the moment. Plus, it introduces the risk that someone could login to the game and be denied entry to their house because their server could be over-capacity at that time... and people wouldn't like that.

I'm one of the few crazy people who made a one-man FC just to buy a house(and succesfully so). But I have to agree that housing as it is now is a joke. In all honesty though, pricing isn't and shouldn't be a big issue. But the problem comes from low availability on housing. We find it a lot because we need to gather a large amount for something we may or may not be able to buy. Which makes the entire thing feel pointless.

If S-E would have given everyone an instanced plot of land and went "Here's something for you. It's empty but if you gather 5 million you can buy a house. And add gil for further expansions like a chocobo stable, larger house and so on."
This would have created a long term commitment that anyone can do at their own leiserly pace. Large sums of money don't bother me, especially for something you'll have for the entire game. (Unlike how the current housing system is. Don't play for a long time and say bye-bye to your house.)

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Originally Posted by Lazearus

Beat it harder, Toodles! Because I want affordable housing too. And I don't wanna compete with a whole bunch of people logging in right after maintenance and buying up all the better housing spots while the rest of us are still stuck at the character lobby. =(

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Ha ha will do mang!

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Originally Posted by Toodles

Lastly, increase or remove both the 1k Character Limit & Daily Post Limits!

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This. This is the only thing I care about that this thread has posted.

I was going to post this when the thread first came up, but I had hit my daily post limit.

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Originally Posted by Vydos

especially for something you'll have for the entire game. (Unlike how the current housing system is. Don't play for a long time and say bye-bye to your house.)

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And then let's not even consider if someone wants/has to do a transfer, because we'll sure have nightmares. D:

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Originally Posted by Toodles

We can have our Chocobo roam around the field...

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I'm interested in this!

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Originally Posted by Vydos

I'm one of the few crazy people who made a one-man FC just to buy a house(and succesfully so). But I have to agree that housing as it is now is a joke. In all honesty though, pricing isn't and shouldn't be a big issue. But the problem comes from low availability on housing. We find it a lot because we need to gather a large amount for something we may or may not be able to buy. Which makes the entire thing feel pointless.

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I have to agree. Personal housing is a joke as implemented currently. And the joke is on us. We don't care what the technical limitations are - that's not our problem. That's YOUR problem, Yoshi/SE. Just because you can't get your servers to work correctly doesn't make it right to take it out on us with crazy high prices and ridiculous availability! Its a sad excuse really.

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Originally Posted by BreathlessTao

And then let's not even consider if someone wants/has to do a transfer, because we'll sure have nightmares. D:

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Having to surrender your house due to transfer is yet another issue with the current system.

Another too, one person can buy multiple houses using alternates, many of the Wards are filled up by the same few wealthy individuals or FC's on my server.