Stun, stun, stun, stun. Spell interrupted. Knock back. Spell interrupted. Equanimity (YAY). Mias - stun. Fluid auraed into enemy party. War uses some kind of “scorpion-> get over here” move. Full Swinged -> Flared -> Shoulder Tackled -> Aeroed -> dead.
The aforementioned is what all mages goes through. However, BLM, SCH and WHM have abilities to reduce spell interruption or make it not a problem. Fluid aura is sick in that it not only knocks back the target it also roots them, preventing them from using abilities and spells. Then they can Swiftcast -> Respose another target. Scholars *sigh*… everybody knows how much of a pain it is to try and take a SCH down. After nuking a SCH down to 10% and waiting for the GCD, their HP bar just goes : Lustrate->Lustrate-> Embrace->LOL! BLMs have manawall/ward. They can take a few hits and get off an AOE sleep if needed.
In contrast, SMN have a very weak crowd control ability - Tri-Disaster. I’m toying with it now in frontlines, but it doesn’t seem to have any meaningful effect other than bind (does not prevent abilities from being casted like fluid aura) which gets EASILY removed in the heat of battle. SMNs are the weakest mages defense wise - we get taken down very easily.
So with that, I’m not asking for a pvp specific abilities that puts SMN on equal footing with the other mages, but I am asking for Egi improvements. If the Egis can follow at sprinting speeds, they surely should be able to chase down a target at sprint speeds. Ifrit Egi could chase a target while attacking - this would be a big help when kiting. Another thing, please do something about Ifrit-egi’s AI. If I want Crimson Cyclone or Inferno, he should not auto-attack three times before deciding to do it. Garuda-egi had an issue with being unresponsive a few months ago. I guess since Ifrit-Egi is so unused and nearly always on sic hardly anyone noticed. But yes, I am finding myself mashing Enkindle just to get him to do it. And can something be done about Ifrit just deciding on his own to go off and attack another target? I don’t what that is. Is he being provoked? I haven’t been able to make out who he’s targeting cause I’m frustrated in trying to get back on my target. SMNs do not have defensive capability (haven’t tried out titan, but the thought of doing that makes me want to cry) and it really gets frustrating to be interrupted by bard’s arrows that do 20-40 damage. Any of the aforementioned boost (Ifrit-egi attacking while sprinting <- I would really like this) would be greatly appreciated and, I feel, would un-gimp SMN. And just, why, why is my raise ability disabled in pvp?
Can we un-gimp SMN in Frontlines?
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10-15-2014, 01:20 PMBrianmjCan we un-gimp SMN in Frontlines?
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10-15-2014, 01:38 PMOdd
Fluid Aura prevents abilities in pvp? It doesn't in pve.
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10-15-2014, 01:46 PMCodingSession
Never played SMN in Frontlines, but I kinda agree with you. Out of all DoMs in Frontlines, SMN is my last priority to attack/interrupt. It goes WHM > SCH > BLM > SMN.
I think it's because SMN is too reliant on DoTs, which just suck in Frontlines. A Medica II is all it takes to render all those DoTs useless.
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10-15-2014, 01:47 PMWarlyx
instant cast :
swiftcast , surecast , pvp skill , instant dot , ruin 2 , pet that can keep dpsing even if smn goes behind wall/pillar ....
utiltiy/CC:
healing debuff ,virus , snare , root aoe (tri disaster, blizzard 2), eye for eye (healers will love u for that)
awesome burst oportunities , healing spell (disabled i think? no sure)
trick : dot up a pet (in the middle of the enemies > BANE) , healers are fast dispeling party members but pets ? no1 cares ;) -
10-15-2014, 01:51 PMLadon
In my wildest dreams, they would completely rebalanced the Egi's and give Ifrit pure damage skills, Titan defensive skills (manaward/wall type ability that it can cast on the user) and Garuda would be CC with knockback and bind abilities. That way the Egi's would actually be of situational use both in PVP and PVE rather than just basically being different skins for damage.
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10-15-2014, 01:53 PMBrianmjYou know what I think it is. Right after being fluid auraed,my first instinct is to try and interrupt repose (cause that what always comes next) with ruin 2. But since I can't turn to face the WHM, I can't cast. Fester and energy drain you need to face the target to use. But not aetherflow. Maybe aetherflow will work, but why am I using that right before being put to sleep? But I swear there were times when I was facing the WHM and couldn't cast. I got to look more into this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd
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10-15-2014, 02:06 PMSeraviEdalborezThat's your fail. As a caster you shouldn't really have this problem. Mash the hell out of facetarget if you think they're going to hit you with Fluid Aura. If you weren't already facing them anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianmj
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10-15-2014, 02:12 PMAmelia_Pond_Behemoth
Change to scholar. Problem solved.
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10-15-2014, 02:12 PMVolsung
Aside from being in the middle of things and being stunlocked to death, be sure to be at a safe distance
if possible. This is a great place to unleash garuda rouse spur enkindle, and raging strikes 3 DoTs, contagion
Bane. If you're too close into the action chances are a pld will be all over you making your life hell, because
you will be unable to cast anything.
A swiftcast tridisaster will help you evade some sticky situations.
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10-15-2014, 02:21 PMNajara
I disagree. I love SMN in the front line. I haven't lost a single 1v1.
Vs Melee
Equanimity > Bio II, Miasma, Bio > Fester > (Aetheric Burst + Wither if necessary), Ruin II, Energy Drain, etc and they're dead.
Spur and Rouse + Garuda Enkindle blows them up as well.
Vs BLM
Swiftcast > Tridisaster > Move behind them > Bio II, Miasma, Bio > Fester, etc etc
Worst cast scenario is they use Purification, but then you just use Surecast > Tridisaster, heal up and start it over again :) -
10-15-2014, 02:33 PMBrianmjBards can shoot through some pillars, and maybe some walls. I know my spells were interrupted a few times after going around a wall in the manors. Maybe it was latency, I'm not sure. Our instant cast abilities aren't so instant cast. We can be stunned out of a swiftcast->spell sequence. Equanimity/surecast doesn't work again stun or knock back. If you've play Frontlines for any amount of time, you are surely annoyed by PLDs chain stunning followed by that attack which displaces everyone. That is the most annoying thing right after bards. SMN does have nuke capability, but we have to get off three spells first. Also SMN does have Physick, but not resurrection. Really, I'm not asking for more damage capability. Just improvements to the responsiveness of Ifrit-Egi and maybe something to help with kiting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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10-15-2014, 02:43 PMRiepah
Pet behaviour could use some improvements, but aside from that, I'm pretty happy with SMN in PvP.
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10-15-2014, 02:48 PMDuelleYou sound scary. Remind me to never fight you in PvP. :OQuote:
Originally Posted by Najara
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10-15-2014, 04:16 PMAbrar
SMN is very powerful in frontline to be honest.. SMN has more instant skills which are very good in 1vs1.. BLM has a bit of difficulty in 1vs1 especially when fighting a melee.. in 3 sec cd, SMN can do 3 attacks ( ruin 2 + energy drain + pet attack)
SMN seems weak for most people, and they r not bcome the main target... which is actually very good.. SMN for me is a silent killer in frontline, people underestimate it.. at first i dont like to play SMN in frontline bcoz i think it's very weak, but after I know how to play it in frontline SMN has bcome one of my favorite job in PvP.. playing SMN in PvP is not the same in PvE.. u just need to learn how play it..
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10-15-2014, 04:33 PMSynestraThis. I find SMN's most deadliest when encountered in 1on1 in openfield where you cant LoS them, if anyone needs help its dragoons imo. For some reason they will always lose when i play as PLD even if they get opening, Shield Swipe is just killer for them i guess combined with stun when they pop BfB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Najara
But pvp should never be balanced around 1on1 so i think things are pretty decent atm, maybe some little tweaks here and there for some classes. -
10-15-2014, 05:51 PMHeadhunters
smn i pretty powerfull, always between 60-100k dmg in 72vs matches with at least 3,4 kills, u just sux or dont know what to do during concitated times lol
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10-15-2014, 05:55 PMCoatlIt does, actually. It can interrupt enemy casts just like stun can. But only if they can be bound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Odd
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10-15-2014, 08:41 PMwhoopeeragonThe exception to the 'only if they can be bound' are the Sahagin adds in the Leviathan trial fights. They still get knocked back and interrupted, which can be useful as a emergency resort if the Sahagin casts Dreadstorm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coatl
Otherwise, yes, it interrupts casts. Try it on Suparna/Chirada in Garuda trial fights when they're casting Slipstream. The piestes in Northern Thanalan also get interrupted.
One mob you should NOT Fluid Aura is the red Dalamud Spawn in T9. I learnt the hard way that Fluid Aura-ing it away while it is casting its big AoE spell does NOT interrupt it. My party was not pleased. -
10-15-2014, 08:48 PMStouterTaruSMN can cross the only ability BLM has to reduce interruption, Swiftcast. Scathe is instant cast and Lethargy indirectly helps. Other than that, BLM is stuck with full GCD or longer spells (except 4/5 GCD Blizzard II)Quote:
Originally Posted by Brianmj
Surecast in PvP is just as useful as Provoke; it does nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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10-15-2014, 08:59 PMApricoth
I have met some SMNs with formidable presence on the field. Truly, no one can survive if they are the sole target of two parties. I know because I have been there done that, but on scholar... haha Stun lock makes me a sad panda.
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10-15-2014, 09:39 PMKiara1
Okay I only read the title I got too upset to read the rest of the text.
You seriously think summoner is gimped?
I play summoner most of the time in frontlines and can easily take down a healer in seconds by popping all my cooldowns. I usually deal the most damage in my gc and end up with 10+ kills every game.
I think summoner is the strongest in pvp except for maurauders cause I can't solo them...
Okay I read to the scholar part.
and I will reply with use Wither to remove aetherflow
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10-15-2014, 09:53 PMDracotheDragon
i will have to say no to un-gimping summoner, when summoner was at full strength wolves den was nothing but summoner, and in pvp currently i have seen summoners get up to 20! KILLS, as well as a couple HUNDRED THOUSEND damage and they don't even NEED to limit brake, summoners are strong as they are, its just people have wised up and now stop summoners from attacking.
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10-15-2014, 10:12 PMLeigaon
SMN is a tough one sometimes to play in front lines. All someone has to do is move to your side and you're interrupted. But it takes some practice and when you get rolling on SMN you're a dangerous person!
Micro-manage Egi's seems to help me out a lot. I use Ifrit, I like the stun for those melee's when they finally get to me. In big fights I notice I don't get to use Garuda's extender move as much unless I'm on big node.
Tri-disaster and Blizzard II are my friends. Usually I try my best to use it at the same time with a LB or when someone's about to LB. Run over Tri or Bliz2, bind them and someone else uses aoe. it's not 100% but it happens often enough for me to like to use it. Using Bane, can really mess up a scholar, if you can get the pet to want to cure itself while all the focus is on the SCH or sometimes I can take down the pet quickly. I know there's a million situations where things can happen, purify / additional healers / outside of the circle white mage / A monk who sees a giant hellboy roe as a main target...these things happen. To me it's fine the way it is..when I go on smn I either go for the kill or hurt everyone so the healer has to make a choice..who lives..and who dies. Again there's ways around it...medica II / Medica / Bene etc... but these people aren't using these abilities all the time and if they do sure they save but that move is used up..and I just start building up from scratch all over again, then they don't have that move to use no more or can't because of interruptions. -
10-15-2014, 10:31 PMKimikryoactually. Most of the time Pets get bound and the smn chased off, letting the pet despawn.Quote:
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10-15-2014, 10:38 PMBrianmj
Why are so many people bring up 1 vs 1? Frontlines is a team based game. I was doing an assessment of DoMs ability to handle multiple threats defensively. Sch has lustrate, a fairly, a shield from adloquium, and stoneskin and sacred soil. WHM has stoneskin, fluid aura, sleep, benediction. Blm has manawall/ward and an AOE and single target sleep. Smn is naked has an AOE bind and single target stun or knock back. The issue with our stun is compounded by the fact that Ifrit egi is dizzy and will sometimes delay executing Crimson cyclone for a few seconds when it was needed now. Or he just won't execute it cause he abruptly changed targets without being told to. Has anyone else noticed this?
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10-15-2014, 11:01 PMDracotheDragonQuote:
Originally Posted by Brianmj
i do agree on how everyone bringing up 1v1 in front lines may not seem right but in front lines it can have a multitude of possibilities
1v1 1v2 2v2 1v3 2v3 3v3 ext until 24v24v24, this said each and every class has major advantages and disadvantages some being more about focusing 1 at a time while another can deal with 3 at a time, this said summoner if plaid correctly should have no issue in a 1v3 to 1v5 sinarrio and if there are more then one summoner lets say 3 of them , there pets deal a massive amount of number to 1 person (lets say healer) while the 3 summoners dots can basically wipe out a whole party, summoner is a double edged sword, and is very dangerous or very weak depending on the players play style, and the same could be said for all classes -
10-16-2014, 01:46 AMBrianmjYes. 1 vs 2 or 1 vs 3 or 2 vs 3. I was looking at Smn's ability to defend itself again 2 or 3 people simultaneously and it seems the job got the short end of the stick compared to the other mages. When I get home im going to look into how blizzard 2 and tri disaster compare to fluid aura. Really guys, my thread was not about whether Smn was a force to be reckoned with - it was a comparitive exercise into the defense tools each mage can leverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by DracotheDragon
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10-16-2014, 02:10 AMZagamQuote:
Originally Posted by Brianmj
So you want all the damage and all the defense as well? SMN are like BLM, glass cannons, are you actually saying that manawall/ward is so broken you deserve a buff?And the fact you are actually comparing to healers is just mind boggling. How about smns get a nerf? its not fair that blm is resorted to scathe spam while most of smn is insta cast. -
10-16-2014, 02:17 AMZagamFTFYQuote:
Originally Posted by CodingSession
Medica is going on regardless.