2.4 Dungeons & ilvl

Please have the new dungeons drop at least i105 & be of appropriate difficulty for such an ilvl.

We have absurdly cheap i90; we have i100 & i100+ from ST & Soldiery.

Obviously Dungeon gear shouldn't surpass SCOB gear but it should definitely be relevant to preceding SCOB.

No more of this i80 drop when the average joe 50 is sitting casually in i95+.

((for those who think this' too high, consider we're getting new Tomes/Tomegear, Soldiery Uncapped, & SCOB Echo/Unlock in 2.4))

I hope they do this, they will likely be tuned to i90 even though everyone is already i100+ and will once again easily overgear it.

2.2 expert dungeons - ilevel 70
2.3 expert dungeons - ilevel 80
I guess 2.4 expert dungeons would be ilevel 90, with some luck ilevel 95. With some crafting mats needed for the crafted ilevel 90 gear.

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Originally Posted by Felis

2.2 expert dungeons - ilevel 70
2.3 expert dungeons - ilevel 80
I guess 2.4 expert dungeons would be ilevel 90, with some luck ilevel 95. With some crafting mats needed for the crafted ilevel 90 gear.

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That no one will bother caring for when you have ST drop ilvl 100 or those Solider tomes.
They really screwed the whole ilvl crap, and another reason not to bother doing 4mans again...
So sad.

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Originally Posted by Felis

2.2 expert dungeons - ilevel 70
2.3 expert dungeons - ilevel 80
I guess 2.4 expert dungeons would be ilevel 90, with some luck ilevel 95. With some crafting mats needed for the crafted ilevel 90 gear.

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Pattern needs to be broken.

i pray that the new dungeons stop dropping crafting crap , want to see the new dungeons sets btw

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Originally Posted by Felis

2.2 expert dungeons - ilevel 70
2.3 expert dungeons - ilevel 80
I guess 2.4 expert dungeons would be ilevel 90, with some luck ilevel 95. With some crafting mats needed for the crafted ilevel 90 gear.

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CT drops 80, next set of dungeons drops 80.
ST drops 100, I would not be surprised if the next set of dungeons drops i100.

Would make sense as the next tier of tome gear is probably 120 with coil gear at 130 (135 wep for beating coil 3).

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

i pray that the new dungeons stop dropping crafting crap , want to see the new dungeons sets btw

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So much this. Or at least if they *have* to put it in dungeons, put them in the side chests only, while boss chests only drop gear.

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Originally Posted by Felis

With some crafting mats needed for the crafted ilevel 90 gear.

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I actually would not be surprised to find more Peacock Ores and Potashes in there.

If they follow suit from the previous ilevel increase then Myth gear will become dungeon drops from the new dungeons, making them i90. I'm hoping they break this though since Myth gear has been available since launch. Just make Myth gear available for prorated Soldiery or relegate it to Allied Seals.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

If they follow suit from the previous ilevel increase then Myth gear will become dungeon drops from the new dungeons, making them i90. I'm hoping they break this though since Myth gear has been available since launch. Just make Myth gear available for prorated Soldiery or relegate it to Allied Seals.

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I don't see them doing the same with myth gear. Myth gear is much more iconic to the jobs they go with then darklight. I doubt they will make people farm dungeons for it.

well, with all the mats that drop too, they should do it, i mean, running a dungeon and only getting mats its like, whaaaaaat? also, i miss the old pharao sirious, the hardest dungeon ever, we want that kind of dificultty and better drops please

It should be i100, but it'll likely be i90.

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Originally Posted by HorrorStory

It should be i100, but it'll likely be i90.

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Watch them get super lazy and stick the AF sets in the new dungeons...

I'd be happy if the last boss of a dungeon at least drops gear. it is so annoying when at the end of the dungeon you get outdated almost useless crafting gear. Sure, I can sell it for maybe less than 2K gil but thatll only cover some repairs.

I can get said mats via FATEs or turning in gear. I don't need them in dungeons.

When you're leveling up an alt dungeon gear was a way to progess. Its been a year and I've got multiple jobs up to 50. It's SO easy to get myth gear for fresh 50's, especially now that hunts are a thing. But what if I want to upgrade my other alts?

As it stands it'll take you ~15 weeks to fully gear soldiery due to lockout. In other words, it'll take close to 6 months just to level different 2 different DoW or DoM Still, soldiery gear is an improvement to myth gear in that different jobs can equip them.

I hope I get to cap my seals even faster by trading in the worthless drops!

personally i do hope for a i110 drop, you can call me crazy, but the 2.2-2.3 was the worst patch of the game, most of the add from it must never be redone. i explain myself:

- crafting mat in the chest from boss in the 4man dungeon, this is a nonsense! especially since the new ixal tribes allows us to purchase them or GC do the same.
- upgrade systeme for the token equipement, it was the worst idea they had, simply for please raider... they was forced after to make the item that allows to upgrade the item drop from different content for allows people to catch up, worst they have make all the other loot from ST useless since people was wanting most of the time oil and sand.
- heavy RNG oriented content... it's nice to have some RNG but not that heavy like atma or stuff like this.

they really need to stop do bad stuff like this.

Minimal ilvl for entry should be between i95 and i100 (if no one can reach that, then get to spamming 2.1-2.3 dungeons or ST) and the loot that drops should be around i105 and be accuracy based. This way, it's minor progression towards Second Coil and maybe Third Coil, in case the gear you have doesn't help you meet the accuracy cap for it.

Also it should be a fun challenge for people in i100-110 gear. It won't be Coil difficult (so no 1 KO = everyone KO's), but it should require BLM's or WHM's to make use of their dusty Sleep/Repose spells, amongst other things.

Forgot to add: NO CRAFTING MATS. Just make them cheap to buy with Soldiery or something, or if you do plan on making them drop in dungeons, make them drop from the Potion chests and not boss chests.

To be honest, while new viable dungeon sets would be fantastic for alts, all I really want to see is some varied glamour sets come out of these. Mostly I'm just borderline irritated that my BRD main is boxed into looking like either a pirate or a travelling circus threw up on me.

So I've been thinking (and posted it on the XIV subreddit. Going to fix it up, though)

• 2.1 dungeons rewarded players with i60 gear, which used to drop from Amdapor Keep. There was also Labyrinth of the Ancients, which dropped i80 gear. Why couldn't the 2.1 dungeons drop i75 gear? Philosophy was going to become irrelevant next patch and getting new ilvl75 gear would have kept Pharos Sirius from getting the unfortunate nerf. Since people would actually have felt rewarded for the challenge.

• 2.2 dungeons rewarded players with i70 gear, one set being Darklight. It also loved to drop crafting materials for whatever reason. 2.2 also removed the Mythology cap, which allowed us to easily gear up our mains and alts in Myth gear, as well as gear up our mains in i100 weathered gear. It also 'raised' the ilvl cap from 90 to 110. Why couldn't the 2.2 dungeons drop i85 gear? Philosophy no longer existed and the cap was removed from LotA. As said, the Myth cap was removed, which made i90 gear incredibly easier to get, but getting i85 gear would still have been alright. Most players were still stuck on Turn 5, after all.

• 2.3 dungeons rewarded players with i80 gear, with crafting materials being the most frequent drop. At this point, i80 gear for most players was seen as either Glamour or FC seals. As players had already spent their Myth tomes gearing their alts in i90 Mythology gear. SE should have made those dungeons drop i95 gear, slightly higher than both Myth and First Coil gear, but lower than ST and Soldiery gear. Wouldn't be BiS, but could have still been used for Second Coil.

I'm assuming the loot lock on ST will be removed for 2.4?

I'd be surprised if it wasn't, considering the lockout in LotA was removed in 2.2 and it would be silly of SE not to remove the lockout, since Second Coil will no longer have the player lockout.

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Minimal ilvl for entry should be between i95 and i100 (if no one can reach that, then get to spamming 2.1-2.3 dungeons or ST) and the loot that drops should be around i105 and be accuracy based. This way, it's minor progression towards Second Coil and maybe Third Coil, in case the gear you have doesn't help you meet the accuracy cap for it.

Also it should be a fun challenge for people in i100-110 gear. It won't be Coil difficult (so no 1 KO = everyone KO's), but it should require BLM's or WHM's to make use of their dusty Sleep/Repose spells, amongst other things.

Forgot to add: NO CRAFTING MATS. Just make them cheap to buy with Soldiery or something, or if you do plan on making them drop in dungeons, make them drop from the Potion chests and not boss chests.

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I used to use Repose all the time, but people would just spam AOEs, so there's no point to causing Sleep on trash mobs anymore.

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Originally Posted by Lithera

If they follow suit from the previous ilevel increase then Myth gear will become dungeon drops from the new dungeons, making them i90. I'm hoping they break this though since Myth gear has been available since launch. Just make Myth gear available for prorated Soldiery or relegate it to Allied Seals.

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With Myth gear already being available through Allied Seals, I believe it will stay that way. I also believe that with philo and myth crafting mats available at the Ixali oaknot vendor, we might finally see that change in how often those crafting mats drop in the dungeons.

I do hope they'll removing any crafting mat from dungeons. Crafters have plenty of other resources to stack materials. At least one dungeon should have a higher ilvl since it looks like it will require players to have cleared previous story quests.

I hope shiva hm will be challenging as well, levi and ramuh hm are too easy compaired to other hm primals...

As long as they're cute. I am still farming 2.3's dungeons because I love the gear there, hopefully 2.4's will be just as cool looking. They don't have any purpose other than vanity, so they'd better make them look good.

Dungeon gear = vanity gear.... at least it has some use ( ͡͡ ° ͜ ʖ ͡ °)

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Originally Posted by Black91CRX

I'm assuming the loot lock on ST will be removed for 2.4?

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yupp, I'll be farming St for UAT, sands and oils. Also any gear that can desynthesis by leather workers just in case they decided to make them an item for future desynthesis

I think it should drop different ilvl90 gear. But to be honest as long as they dont drop crafting mats i will be happy. Its extremely annoying to make it through dungeons only to receive mats from almost ever chest..

When they make the 3 dungeons, what I would like and what I think would really appease most different types of players, i to not make them the same iLvl. Right now hull breaker, tam tara, and stone vigil are all i80 and really just too easy. I like how SE wants to let players catch up, but there is a ton of content in game now that can allow newbies to do that. At 50 they can start farming CT, i80 dungeons, hunt for myth gear, use myth gear, ST... thats enough sources for arriving late to the party (and in all of those cases they are still getting soldiery which will be uncapped).

When they release the new dungeons I would like to see one of the rehashed HMs i90 (using patch 2.4 as an example knowing full well a system like this won't be implemented at this point.). Another HM at 100, and the new dungeon at 110. The i90 dungeon maybe to introduce some new mechanics, drop some i90 gear and crafting mats. The i100 dungeon would be harder, but probably not too hard for under geared players and drop mats and 100 gear. The new dungeon, the i110 dungeon, should be tuned for players that were at the max/close to it by the end of a patch cycle. Drops could be 105-110.

id also like to see dungeon drops branch out from mats and gear... Materia for one (rare), among other things.

+1 for OP, iLvl100 should be expected, iLvl90 would be a joke, and iLvl110 drops would kill the sands of time they just opened for ST.

I can't wait to see how this game will turn out, was a good restart from 2.0 and then..

You can expect to see Mats drops.. >.<

More I think about it, It's gonna be i90.

here's a big surprise...SE actually makes content for new ppl, also, and not just ilv 100+
dungeons are an option, and it will never be on par with current raids. so don't expect ilv 110 dungeons until 2,5 or expansion.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

here's a big surprise...SE actually makes content for new ppl, also, and not just ilv 100+
dungeons are an option, and it will never be on par with current raids. so don't expect ilv 110 dungeons until 2,5 or expansion.

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Lol...what do u mean with "also"?!? They almost "only" make content for new players if u ask me. Its only coil for the ilvl 100+ ppl....there is nothing more...and thats the sad thing...maaaaaaaybe u can say there are the primals, too. But i really wish there was more to do, besides coil once a week. Every time they add new stuff like CT, ST, or "extreme" dungeons...they are useless for many ppl in ff. Except for vanity maybe o.O

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Originally Posted by Radacci

here's a big surprise...SE actually makes content for new ppl, also, and not just ilv 100+
dungeons are an option, and it will never be on par with current raids. so don't expect ilv 110 dungeons until 2,5 or expansion.

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A new player that is doing only one class (ok another one to 15 to get his job) and then gets pretty easily to lvl 50 - Boom! he'll jump pretty quickly to lvl 90, then 100 in a few weeks.

There is lots that don't bother like me to lvl up all classes and jobs, so they will get into Coil in no time, and.. get bored.

They better read this as even I feel the game is slowing down.

I will say it again: I'll monitor this game up to the Expansion, and then I'll decide.

For now I hope I'll enjoy the short-lived Rogue, and very excited to become a Naruto Ninja. ^^

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Originally Posted by KingOfAbyss

A new player that is doing only one class (ok another one to 15 to get his job) and then gets pretty easily to lvl 50 - Boom! he'll jump pretty quickly to lvl 90, then 100 in a few weeks.

There is lots that don't bother like me to lvl up all classes and jobs, so they will get into Coil in no time, and.. get bored.

They better read this as even I feel the game is slowing down.

I will say it again: I'll monitor this game up to the Expansion, and then I'll decide.

For now I hope I'll enjoy the short-lived Rogue, and very excited to become a Naruto Ninja. ^^

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most ppl dont do coil.
not everyone wanna rush.
more options are good.

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Originally Posted by Danima

Lol...what do u mean with "also"?!? They almost "only" make content for new players if u ask me. Its only coil for the ilvl 100+ ppl....there is nothing more...and thats the sad thing...maaaaaaaybe u can say there are the primals, too. But i really wish there was more to do, besides coil once a week. Every time they add new stuff like CT, ST, or "extreme" dungeons...they are useless for many ppl in ff. Except for vanity maybe o.O

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if they added dungeons, with gear on par with coil...ppl wouldnt bother with coil. (unweathered sol makes HA kinda vanity only)
if they made dungeons, with higher ilv than coil...ppl wouldnt bother with coil.
ST is ilv100, and many ppl only do it for vanity, so only ilv 110 stuff would be interesting to raiders...and would make ppl not bother with coil.

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Originally Posted by Radacci

if they added dungeons, with gear on par with coil...ppl wouldnt bother with coil. (unweathered sol makes HA kinda vanity only)
if they made dungeons, with higher ilv than coil...ppl wouldnt bother with coil.
ST is ilv100, ......etc

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Right! That's the problem. This whole System is designed a little wrong... But what i said, wasn't only meant for gear dropping and the ilvl...it was more about the difficulty. I Dont want that dungeons and coil become even with their drops, not at all. This would be ridiculous. But there has to be more activity for the ppl who are into coil....who are playing since launch (not to mention 1.0 players). We would like to do something useful too besides coil. Not only we have a weekly lockout in "our" content, but also maybe we would like to have some variety. So it would be nice if at least one of the new dungeons would actually be somewhat challenging and/or rewarding for the coil-generation ;-P

Y'all are forgetting the I lvl will be 130 once the update hits, not i110. The Dungeon Should Be i100 and drop i100 gear since we already have 2 sets of i90, both of which can be completed by i70+ players in less then 10hrs, unless bad luck with coil 1 drops)

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Originally Posted by Nestama

Minimal ilvl for entry should be between i95 and i100 (if no one can reach that, then get to spamming 2.1-2.3 dungeons or ST) and the loot that drops should be around i105 and be accuracy based. This way, it's minor progression towards Second Coil and maybe Third Coil, in case the gear you have doesn't help you meet the accuracy cap for it.

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Don't forget that the minimum ilvl requirement is for players who know how to play the job (and don't have a problem with doing the dungeon lightly undergeared). Average ilevel can be ilevel 95, while the minimum ilevel should be around ilevel 80.

i105 is far more appropriate than i100 though since we have two sets of i100 and it shouldn't equal sanded soldiery IMHO.

Besides, they underuse the intermediate ilvl's anyway (i85, 95, 105, so on).

Minimum ilvl 95, Suggested ilvl 100, Drops i105.

They need tighter tuning anyway, none of this minimum being 30 ilvl below.

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Originally Posted by Felis

Average ilevel can be ilevel 95, while the minimum ilevel should be around ilevel 80.

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Sorry, but I can't agree. I get that some people want to be lightly geared for a dungeon, but that is why I suggested i95 (with Soldiery no longer having a cap, it will be an incredibly easy for players to reach that ilvl). It also means SE can not have a reason to make the dungeons drop i90 gear, but instead i105 gear. It's slightly higher than Soldiery gear, so it feels like a reward outside of "just here for tomes" and it's ranked below High Allagan, but can be used to get it (in case the Unweathered gear doesn't give you the accuracy boost you need).

So yeah. No Soldiery cap = easier to hit i95. i105 rewards means something to gear your alts with while at the same time gearing them with Soldiery. Could even add a mini-quest challenge: "Kill X amount of Monsters before {Final Boss}" could reward you with a UAT or Sands/Oils of Time, giving even more reason to do the dungeons (and not compete against other player rolls in ST or spam Hunts).

Toodles, I suggest putting what you posted onto your opening post as well.